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Savant12 said:
I've enjoyed all the recent discussions about training numbers and FTP tests but this picture thing is pure trolling.

Bandage on his knee alludes to his doping? And all the people stoking the trolling with doping talk. Come on, this is really scraping the barrel.

Do some background on the picture. Froome was riding as a domestique, the picture shows Giro 2010 stage 10 and was a stage win possibility for Greg Henderson, hence why Froome is trying to get him back into the stage. Froome was also complaining of knee problems so it's reasonable that he would stop to help his team-mate out.
Why would Froome be riding as a domestique? Has Contador EVER ridden a Grand Tour as a domestique? Did Lance Armstrong ever ride a Grand Tour as a domestique? Ullrich?

Unless of course, Team Sky knew his numbers, etc. and had determined that his talent equated to being a domestique.
 
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TheSpud said:
Benotti69 said:
TheSpud said:
gillan1969 said:
are you suggesting that without the 'knee problem' he would have been a protected rider?
No, i'm using opposite logic - the fact that he was injured means he was less likely to be a protected rider than, say, the guy he gave his bike too. Either way this picture, in my view, is a complete irrelevance to what the test results will tell us even though it seems to get dragged up all the time.
He had a patch on his knee. How does that equate to injured? Road rash is not an injury. Froome was grupetto fodder till he transformed with PEDs. He was bottom of Sky's pecking order and on his way out of the team, of course he had to give his bike.

The picture is extremely important in pointing out this guy was not considered a talent at sky, they were trying to offload him to other teams. He gave up his bike for others. Not because he was injured,because he was no good.

Stop obfuscating.
If you are the fountain of knowledge for cycling you'd know that he was in fact injured - he had knee issues which is why he was hanging on to the police motorbike, or have you conveniently forgotten that?

Stop obfuscating...
The big engined natural talent was there as a domestique not a leader or lieutenant, but never mind that fact.

Knees issues were explained after he got thrown off.
 
TheSpud said:
thehog said:
Dawg at 5.7w/kg :rolleyes:

Ah - this old picture. Absolute 100% proof of doping, puhhlease ....
Want to talk about proof, how about the fact that Sky released fabricated power outputs earlier this year?

Its sweet to come out of the closet to mock trivial things like a picture.

But you and a few others always seem to disappear from threads faster than a rat off a sinking ship, when the real discussions come up :D
 
Puckfiend said:
Savant12 said:
I've enjoyed all the recent discussions about training numbers and FTP tests but this picture thing is pure trolling.

Bandage on his knee alludes to his doping? And all the people stoking the trolling with doping talk. Come on, this is really scraping the barrel.

Do some background on the picture. Froome was riding as a domestique, the picture shows Giro 2010 stage 10 and was a stage win possibility for Greg Henderson, hence why Froome is trying to get him back into the stage. Froome was also complaining of knee problems so it's reasonable that he would stop to help his team-mate out.
Why would Froome be riding as a domestique? Has Contador EVER ridden a Grand Tour as a domestique? Did Lance Armstrong ever ride a Grand Tour as a domestique? Ullrich?

Unless of course, Team Sky knew his numbers, etc. and had determined that his talent equated to being a domestique.
Contador - 2005?
Armstrong - 1993/4/5?
 
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Puckfiend said:
Savant12 said:
I've enjoyed all the recent discussions about training numbers and FTP tests but this picture thing is pure trolling.

Bandage on his knee alludes to his doping? And all the people stoking the trolling with doping talk. Come on, this is really scraping the barrel.

Do some background on the picture. Froome was riding as a domestique, the picture shows Giro 2010 stage 10 and was a stage win possibility for Greg Henderson, hence why Froome is trying to get him back into the stage. Froome was also complaining of knee problems so it's reasonable that he would stop to help his team-mate out.
Why would Froome be riding as a domestique? Has Contador EVER ridden a Grand Tour as a domestique? Did Lance Armstrong ever ride a Grand Tour as a domestique? Ullrich?

Unless of course, Team Sky knew his numbers, etc. and had determined that his talent equated to being a domestique.
Well, I have seen domestiques with very high numbers...
 
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Benotti69 said:
TheSpud said:
Benotti69 said:
TheSpud said:
gillan1969 said:
are you suggesting that without the 'knee problem' he would have been a protected rider?
No, i'm using opposite logic - the fact that he was injured means he was less likely to be a protected rider than, say, the guy he gave his bike too. Either way this picture, in my view, is a complete irrelevance to what the test results will tell us even though it seems to get dragged up all the time.
He had a patch on his knee. How does that equate to injured? Road rash is not an injury. Froome was grupetto fodder till he transformed with PEDs. He was bottom of Sky's pecking order and on his way out of the team, of course he had to give his bike.

The picture is extremely important in pointing out this guy was not considered a talent at sky, they were trying to offload him to other teams. He gave up his bike for others. Not because he was injured,because he was no good.

Stop obfuscating.
If you are the fountain of knowledge for cycling you'd know that he was in fact injured - he had knee issues which is why he was hanging on to the police motorbike, or have you conveniently forgotten that?

Stop obfuscating...
The big engined natural talent was there as a domestique not a leader or lieutenant, but never mind that fact.

Knees issues were explained after he got thrown off.
Yes he was (as support for Wiggins), but only just - he almost wasn't fit after crashing in Romandie a few weeks earlier. But never mind that fact.
 
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TheSpud said:
Yes he was (as support for Wiggins), but only just - he almost wasn't fit after crashing in Romandie a few weeks earlier. But never mind that fact.
And at Barloworld, he forgot to bring his big engine? What about that fact?

He had 'transformed' by the time he towed Wiggins around France in 2012. Again never mind the 'transformation' fact!
 
The Hitch said:
TheSpud said:
Ah - this old picture. Absolute 100% proof of doping, puhhlease ....
Want to talk about proof, how about the fact that Sky released fabricated power outputs earlier this year?

Its sweet to come out of the closet to mock trivial things like a picture.

But you and a few others always seem to disappear from threads faster than a rat off a sinking ship, when the real discussions come up :D
If as you say this picture is trivial then why does it get trooped out all the time by the same old people who happen to think Froome is doping?

Also, I didn't realise I needed your permission to dip in and out of this forum whenever I wanted. I have a life outside of this forum : sometimes very busy, sometimes not, sometimes my interest in cycling wanes more than other times. I'll post when I like thank you very much.
 
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TheSpud said:
Puckfiend said:
Savant12 said:
I've enjoyed all the recent discussions about training numbers and FTP tests but this picture thing is pure trolling.

Bandage on his knee alludes to his doping? And all the people stoking the trolling with doping talk. Come on, this is really scraping the barrel.

Do some background on the picture. Froome was riding as a domestique, the picture shows Giro 2010 stage 10 and was a stage win possibility for Greg Henderson, hence why Froome is trying to get him back into the stage. Froome was also complaining of knee problems so it's reasonable that he would stop to help his team-mate out.
Why would Froome be riding as a domestique? Has Contador EVER ridden a Grand Tour as a domestique? Did Lance Armstrong ever ride a Grand Tour as a domestique? Ullrich?

Unless of course, Team Sky knew his numbers, etc. and had determined that his talent equated to being a domestique.
Contador - 2005?
Armstrong - 1993/4/5?
Good, we are back to comparing Froome with dopers. The 'natural' order has been restored :D
 
Benotti69 said:
TheSpud said:
Puckfiend said:
Savant12 said:
I've enjoyed all the recent discussions about training numbers and FTP tests but this picture thing is pure trolling.

Bandage on his knee alludes to his doping? And all the people stoking the trolling with doping talk. Come on, this is really scraping the barrel.

Do some background on the picture. Froome was riding as a domestique, the picture shows Giro 2010 stage 10 and was a stage win possibility for Greg Henderson, hence why Froome is trying to get him back into the stage. Froome was also complaining of knee problems so it's reasonable that he would stop to help his team-mate out.
Why would Froome be riding as a domestique? Has Contador EVER ridden a Grand Tour as a domestique? Did Lance Armstrong ever ride a Grand Tour as a domestique? Ullrich?

Unless of course, Team Sky knew his numbers, etc. and had determined that his talent equated to being a domestique.
Contador - 2005?
Armstrong - 1993/4/5?
Good, we are back to comparing Froome with dopers. The 'natural' order has been restored :D
I don't think we left it - thats the purpose of this thread isnt it? :)
 
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The Hitch said:
TheSpud said:
thehog said:
Dawg at 5.7w/kg :rolleyes:

Its sweet to come out of the closet to mock trivial things like a picture.

But you and a few others always seem to disappear from threads faster than a rat off a sinking ship, when the real discussions come up :D
plea........aase..........why? the insults..............
.........were there is 'real discussion' there is no need for insults

i looked at the picture from a positive perspective


.........it remains proof of nothing .............it could have served a purpose years ago but that time has gone

Mark L
 
The Hitch said:
Savant12 said:
Bandage on his knee alludes to his doping?
Show me where anyone said that ;)

And if you can't find it, it would be nice to hear an apology. Something like:"I'm sorry I made **** up purely to try and troll the clinic" or words to that effect.
You seem to be smart. I'm sure you can work out the meaning of "alludes to".

Here you go, anyway:
Benotti69 "So bandage equals clean, because as we know the grupetto never dopes, according to Wiggo."

It insinuates that Froome is somehow hiding his doping because he is riding "injured" and would be less apparent.
 
Savant12 said:
I've enjoyed all the recent discussions about training numbers and FTP tests but this picture thing is pure trolling.

Bandage on his knee alludes to his doping? And all the people stoking the trolling with doping talk. Come on, this is really scraping the barrel.

Do some background on the picture. Froome was riding as a domestique, the picture shows Giro 2010 stage 10 and was a stage win possibility for Greg Henderson, hence why Froome is trying to get him back into the stage. Froome was also complaining of knee problems so it's reasonable that he would stop to help his team-mate out.
The pictures does allude to doping, yes, but not at the time the photo was taken, but when he became a GT contender overnight.

Truth be told Froome wasn't even good enough to be a domestique. A domestique helps a GT contender. Froome was helping sprinters but not at the end of a stage but at the start by giving up his bike! That's how bad Froome was. He wasn't a lead out man for Hendrson or much other use.

Granted Froome did have a sore knee but this is not a one off. In all of his Sky races pre-11-Vuelta he was falling off the back of the main group mid stage with no sign of 5.7w/kg that Spud indicates that he had way back when.
 
thehog said:
Savant12 said:
I've enjoyed all the recent discussions about training numbers and FTP tests but this picture thing is pure trolling.

Bandage on his knee alludes to his doping? And all the people stoking the trolling with doping talk. Come on, this is really scraping the barrel.

Do some background on the picture. Froome was riding as a domestique, the picture shows Giro 2010 stage 10 and was a stage win possibility for Greg Henderson, hence why Froome is trying to get him back into the stage. Froome was also complaining of knee problems so it's reasonable that he would stop to help his team-mate out.
The pictures does allude to doping, yes, but not at the time the photo was taken, but when he became a GT contender overnight.

Truth be told Froome wasn't even good enough to be a domestique. A domestique helps a GT contender. Froome was helping sprinters but not at the end of a stage but at the start by giving up his bike! That's how bad Froome was. He wasn't a lead out man for Hendrson or much other use.

Granted Froome did have a sore knee but this is not a one off. In all of his Sky races pre-11-Vuelta he was falling off the back of the main group mid stage with no sign of 5.7w/kg that Spud indicates that he had way back when.
Stop putting words in my mouth Hog - I have never indicated that he had 5.7w/kg. I used it as a yardstick number in my question about the old test data.
 
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Savant12 said:
The Hitch said:
Savant12 said:
Bandage on his knee alludes to his doping?
Show me where anyone said that ;)

And if you can't find it, it would be nice to hear an apology. Something like:"I'm sorry I made **** up purely to try and troll the clinic" or words to that effect.
You seem to be smart. I'm sure you can work out the meaning of "alludes to".

Here you go, anyway:
Benotti69 "So bandage equals clean, because as we know the grupetto never dopes, according to Wiggo."

It insinuates that Froome is somehow hiding his doping because he is riding "injured" and would be less apparent.
More obfuscation (re trolling) because The Spud alluded to it. But hey don't let that get in the way.


TheSpud said:
Indeed, and if you look at the picture Froome has an injured knee, so clearly he was going to be in support mode. But hey, lets just keep trooping out this picture as its clearly central to the argument.
:rolleyes:
 
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ebandit said:
The Hitch said:
TheSpud said:
thehog said:
Dawg at 5.7w/kg :rolleyes:

Its sweet to come out of the closet to mock trivial things like a picture.

But you and a few others always seem to disappear from threads faster than a rat off a sinking ship, when the real discussions come up :D
plea........aase..........why? the insults..............
.........were there is 'real discussion' there is no need for insults

i looked at the picture from a positive perspective


.........it remains proof of nothing .............it could have served a purpose years ago but that time has gone

Mark L
its illutrative and its funny.....so is this :)
 

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Benotti69 said:
Savant12 said:
The Hitch said:
Savant12 said:
Bandage on his knee alludes to his doping?
Show me where anyone said that ;)

And if you can't find it, it would be nice to hear an apology. Something like:"I'm sorry I made **** up purely to try and troll the clinic" or words to that effect.
You seem to be smart. I'm sure you can work out the meaning of "alludes to".

Here you go, anyway:
Benotti69 "So bandage equals clean, because as we know the grupetto never dopes, according to Wiggo."

It insinuates that Froome is somehow hiding his doping because he is riding "injured" and would be less apparent.
More obfuscation (re trolling) because The Spud alluded to it. But hey don't let that get in the way.


TheSpud said:
Indeed, and if you look at the picture Froome has an injured knee, so clearly he was going to be in support mode. But hey, lets just keep trooping out this picture as its clearly central to the argument.
:rolleyes:
What I alluded to (actually what I said) was that as an injured rider it would be totally normal for him to give his bike to the uninjured rider (who, as we know was a sprinter, had a chance to win the stage as it was flat).

I never alluded to it meaning he was clean - as I have said, the picture is an irrelevance trooped out by Hog as an argument against my perfectly reasonable question about the old test data.
 
Benotti69 said:
Savant12 said:
The Hitch said:
Savant12 said:
Bandage on his knee alludes to his doping?
Show me where anyone said that ;)

And if you can't find it, it would be nice to hear an apology. Something like:"I'm sorry I made **** up purely to try and troll the clinic" or words to that effect.
You seem to be smart. I'm sure you can work out the meaning of "alludes to".

Here you go, anyway:
Benotti69 "So bandage equals clean, because as we know the grupetto never dopes, according to Wiggo."

It insinuates that Froome is somehow hiding his doping because he is riding "injured" and would be less apparent.
More obfuscation (re trolling) because The Spud alluded to it. But hey don't let that get in the way.


TheSpud said:
Indeed, and if you look at the picture Froome has an injured knee, so clearly he was going to be in support mode. But hey, lets just keep trooping out this picture as its clearly central to the argument.
:rolleyes:
The Spud did not say anything about "clean" or "doping". You used it as a misinterpretation of what The Spud was saying.

Keep rolling those eyes and add some eye drops because your sight is obviously obscured.
 
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TheSpud said:
What I alluded to (actually what I said) was that as an injured rider it would be totally normal for him to give his bike to the uninjured rider (who, as we know was a sprinter, had a chance to win the stage as it was flat).

I never alluded to it meaning he was clean - as I have said, the picture is an irrelevance trooped out by Hog as an argument against my perfectly reasonable question about the old test data.
The picture points out that Froome having ridden for 3 years at Konica/ Barloworld and a year at Sky was still only a domestique and they were trying to get rid of him to Bruyneel, who said no.
 
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Savant12 said:
The Spud did not say anything about "clean" or "doping". You used it as a misinterpretation of what The Spud was saying.

Keep rolling those eyes and add some eye drops because your sight is obviously obscured.

You seem smart, 'alluding', yada yada.....
 
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I like this overnight transformation term. You just make the decision that from tomorrow I'm one of the best cyclists in the world for the next, say, five years, and make biiig money. How can any pro cyclist be so stupid not to make the decision.
 
Benotti69 said:
TheSpud said:
What I alluded to (actually what I said) was that as an injured rider it would be totally normal for him to give his bike to the uninjured rider (who, as we know was a sprinter, had a chance to win the stage as it was flat).

I never alluded to it meaning he was clean - as I have said, the picture is an irrelevance trooped out by Hog as an argument against my perfectly reasonable question about the old test data.
The picture points out that Froome having ridden for 3 years at Konica/ Barloworld and a year at Sky was still only a domestique and they were trying to get rid of him to Bruyneel, who said no.
The picture shows an injured rider giving his bike to the sprinter who had a chance of a stage victory ...
 
I remember speaking to Bobby at the end of the Tour of Poland. He was frank.‘Listen, Chris, it’s going to be difficult to get you into the Vuelta. There are other guys that they want to take, but I’m trying to convince them to put you in. It’s between you and Lars Petter Nordhaug.’

...

'Chris, you’re going to the Vuelta. Lars Petter has gotten ill. He’s in bed with a bad flu and he’s on antibiotics now. They’re not going to take a chance with him so they’re taking you instead. You’re in.'
Not even good enough to be a domestique.
 
TheSpud said:
Benotti69 said:
TheSpud said:
What I alluded to (actually what I said) was that as an injured rider it would be totally normal for him to give his bike to the uninjured rider (who, as we know was a sprinter, had a chance to win the stage as it was flat).

I never alluded to it meaning he was clean - as I have said, the picture is an irrelevance trooped out by Hog as an argument against my perfectly reasonable question about the old test data.
The picture points out that Froome having ridden for 3 years at Konica/ Barloworld and a year at Sky was still only a domestique and they were trying to get rid of him to Bruyneel, who said no.
The picture shows an injured rider giving his bike to the sprinter who had a chance of a stage victory ...
So which stage was Froome pushing Henderson to win the stage?
 

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