Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[Fatclimber]

Not even his mom.

"Jane Froome had her doubts confirmed when, watching him ride for the first time in that same race, she saw her son being shelled from the back of the peloton. As Edwards drove the team car she asked him a gentle yet pointed question: "Is Chris any good at riding a bike?""

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/jun/22/chris-froome-tour-de-france

Lol! Well that settles it, no one can dispute the scientific evidence provided by mom!

 

[LaFlorecita]

armstrong's numbers for the climb to Bonsacre according to Vayer:

'01 - 6.45. 23:07
'03 - 6.36. 23:25
'05 - 6.46. 21:58

It was the second climb of the day on every occasion. None were the first climbing stage of the race. If Froome was at 6.39, he's right in there.

Compare that with Alberto's 20:55 climb up Verbier @ 7.16 w/k.

7.16 was miscalculated ffs

 

[Ripper]

Dear oh dear you guys really should go out and ride your bikes more,try and get rid of all that bitterness that's eating you up inside.
After all,you don't actually know anything,it's all suspicion and supposition.
If anyone from sky get's caught for doping then fair play,jump all over them.I'll be there with you.But until then all this endless,hate filled rhetoric seems a bit pointless to me.Save your energy for riding your bikes,enjoy the scenery and don't take things so seriously!
That's my ten bobs worth

Hey thanks for the thumbs up DA.

Not many haterz, just a lot of skeptics who've seen it before. Oh ya, and we already race bikes

 

[Cycle Chic]

Frankie Andreu

Kimmage interviews Frankie Andreu after yesterday's debacle. Apologies if its already been posted.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/kimmage/day-12-of-paul-kimmages-tour-de-france-diary-29401411.html

didn't say what Kimmage wanted though.

 

[niidirull]

If one thinks Froome is clean then imagine what he would be able to do if he actually was on juice.

 

[Bavarianrider]

armstrong's numbers for the climb to Bonsacre according to Vayer:

'01 - 6.45. 23:07
'03 - 6.36. 23:25
'05 - 6.46. 21:58

It was the second climb of the day on every occasion. None were the first climbing stage of the race. If Froome was at 6.39, he's right in there.

Compare that with Alberto's 20:55 climb up Verbier @ 7.16 w/k.

The 05 time is wrong. Or better it doesn't reflect the same route as in 01 and 03.

Verbier wa strange for many reasons. Not only Contador had his best numbers ever there but many many other riders, too.

 

[Poursuivant]

Kimmage interviews Frankie Andreu after yesterday's debacle. Apologies if its already been posted.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/kimmage/day-12-of-paul-kimmages-tour-de-france-diary-29401411.html

didn't say what Kimmage wanted though.

Impressed by Andreu there.

 

[BroDeal]

If one thinks Froome is clean then imagine what he would be able to do if he actually was on juice.

JimmyVickers has already dismissed this question with "...everyone responds to dope differently..." Evidently this point is not something anybody should bother with because--obviously --Froome might have ridden the climb slower if he was on dope.

 

[Fatclimber]

7.16 was miscalculated ffs

Thank you once again for you unbiased expertise. Care to explain?

 

[enCYCLOpedia]

On being isolated from his teammates, Froome insisted he wasn't too surprised. “Not really given my teammates did such a big job yesterday to get me into the yellow jersey. They are only human they can’t be there every day at the front,” he said.

http://www.britishcycling.org.uk/road/article/roa20130707-road-Tour-de-France-stage-9-0

Must be frustrating if you are Chris Froome, but you are only riding with a team of humans.

 

[SeriousSam]

on the other hand, it must be empowering to be able to ride like armstrong while the others are limited to micro dosing epo and the occasional bag

 

[the sceptic]

on the other hand, it must be empowering to be able to ride like armstrong while the others are limited to micro dosing epo and the occasional bag

If only they knew that doping slows them down. Then we might have a race

 

[observer]

I wonder why Marcel Kittel hasn't spoken up on Froome. He seemed to be upset about Mustafa Sayar winning the tour of Turkey. I wonder what he has to say on the matter.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I wonder why Marcel Kittel hasn't spoken up on Froome. He seemed to be upset about Mustafa Sayar winning the tour of Turkey. I wonder what he has to say on the matter.

Tier 10 vs Tier 1 rider.

 

[gooner]

There is a bit of a difference with Sayar. Needle marks were spotted on his arms by riders at the time and coming off the Grabovsky positive this sparked that reaction.

As far as I know, I don't think Torku are part of the bio passport anyway which probably added to it.

None of this is the case with Froome.

 

[BroDeal]

I wonder why Marcel Kittel hasn't spoken up on Froome. He seemed to be upset about Mustafa Sayar winning the tour of Turkey. I wonder what he has to say on the matter.

We all know you cannot trust southern Europeans, and when it comes to someone as far south as Turkey, well, fugetaboutit. Dark complected non-English speaking dopin' m'f'k'rs! No way those dudes hop smart on us white guys without a lot of juice.

 

[happychappy]

Must be frustrating if you are Chris Froome, but you are only riding with a team of humans.

Now that's funny

 

[No_Balls]

I wonder why Marcel Kittel hasn't spoken up on Froome. He seemed to be upset about Mustafa Sayar winning the tour of Turkey. I wonder what he has to say on the matter.

I think him, and some of his compatriots around here, are up with the old standards of racial classyifing in this matter. I think the level of suspect, and the level of forgiveness, begins somewhere around the pyreneés.

Has Kittel commented on the former aryan hero Ullrich by the way?

 

[BYOP88]

Chris 'the 21st century Merckx' Froome

GT's before the magic happened.

2008 Tour De France. Finished 84th.

Stage 4 ITT 29.5km 33rd @1'49. 15 seconds behind Valverde
stage 6(transitional) 79th @4'48. Finished in a group with Zabel, Velo, Aerts amongst others.
stage 7(transitional) 148th @21'53. 3 places behind Cavendish.
stage 9 (MT) 51st @1'57 The boy can climb!!!!!
stage 10 120th @33'14. Autobus
stage 11(transitional) 126th @22'14. Autobus
stage 15 (MT) 127th @25'33. Autobus
stage 16 (MT) 138th @31'56. Autobus
stage 17(MT) 31st @11'41.
stage 18 (transitional) 114th @7'07. Autobus although 17 riders finsihed behind the bus including Cunego.
stage 20 ITT 53km 16th @3'00 6 seconds behind Danny Pate.

In something that caught my eye, Froome's future Sky teammate Knees finished ahead of Froome on most of these stages(aside from the TT's) maybe Brailsford can work the magic on Knees.

Giro D'Italia 2009 36th

stage 4(mt) 48th @1'31. 11 seconds behind De Greef.
stage 5(mt) 29th @2'17.
stage 6(transitional) 71st @1'15. Finished with the Texan
stage 7(transitional) 120th @'40
stage 8(transitional) 48th @'31
stage 10(mt) 45th @3'29. Finished with Pozzato, Voigt, LY Bak and Marzano
stage 12 ITT 60.6km 34th @5'36
stage 14(mt) 6th @'36. The (in)famous zigzag climbing.
stage 15(transitional) 116th @22'48. Autobus
stage16 (mt) 25th @7'05
stage 17(mt) 161st @16'45. Autobus
stage 19(mt) 130th @17'11. Only 6 guys crossed the line after him.
stage 21 ITT 14.4km 32nd @1'00

Giro d'Italia 2010 DNQ

stage 1 ITT 8.4 138TH @'51. same time as Amador
stage 6(transitional) 97th @4'11. finished with Ale-Jet
stage 7(transitional) 132nd @24'10. Tuscan mud stage
stage 8(MT) 65th @12'02. 2 places and almost 4 minutes down on Tommy V.
stage 11 (transitional) 167th @46'31. Autobus
stage 13 (transitional) 111th @7'55. Worst Sky finisher.
stage 14(mt) 23rd @4'46. same group as Tommy V and 1 place ahead of Porte. Must have been talking about how much they were going to rake in 2013.
stage 15(mt) 82nd @22'35. Same group as the noted climber Pozzato.
stage 16 MTT 12.9km 39th @3'47. 4seconds behind Tommy V.
stage 17(transitional) 146th @18'13. Autobus
stage 19(mt) Kicked out for breaking the rules.

So looking at that, I'm now sold and can now see that Froome was a GT podium guy and maybe a future GT winner.

 

[No_Balls]

Anatomic Jock Race and Commonwealth Games was it for me. I knew, back then, looking at the guy that he would never look back.

 

[gooner]

I think him, and some of his compatriots around here, are up with the old standards of racial classyifing in this matter. I think the level of suspect, and the level of forgiveness, begins somewhere around the pyreneés.

Has Kittel commented on the former aryan hero Ullrich by the way?

I think someone has a problem with Kittel calling out his hero Contador and the other Spanish riders. You do realise he criticised Astana and Vino where he said he wouldn't sign for them even if he got offered a contract in the future. We could do without the racism card being played here now and if you read my previous post, the Sayar situation is not similar with Froome.

 

[No_Balls]

I think someone has a problem with Kittel calling out his hero Contador and the other Spanish riders. You do realise he criticised Astana and Vino where he said he wouldn't sign for them even if he got offered a contract in the future. We could do without the racism card being played here now and if you read my previous post, the Sayar situation is not similar with Froome.

Criticised Astana? ***** please, i give him the benefit of the doubt when he speaks out against some of his own or the current British regime in Sky. Everyone know Astanas connection with doping (and Vino) so it is a legal target for guys who want to feel good about themselves speaking out against doping while not entirely speak out against doping if you now what i´m saying.

No problem with that mate. I realise Contador and many of the other spanish has a shady past. I have plenty against double standards though. Standing with a happy face when Froomeydawg is clocking Armstrong-times (another great white hope btw) uphill while being all over the place of anger when a turkish lad wins a second rated competition. And when National Hero is busted, hey! lets speak about the southerners a little more.

At least Sean Kelly gives a sparkle of hope.

 

[Turner29]

Chris 'the 21st century Merckx' Froome

GT's before the magic happened.

2008 Tour De France. Finished 84th.

Stage 4 ITT 29.5km 33rd @1'49. 15 seconds behind Valverde
stage 6(transitional) 79th @4'48. Finished in a group with Zabel, Velo, Aerts amongst others.
stage 7(transitional) 148th @21'53. 3 places behind Cavendish.
stage 9 (MT) 51st @1'57 The boy can climb!!!!!
stage 10 120th @33'14. Autobus
stage 11(transitional) 126th @22'14. Autobus
stage 15 (MT) 127th @25'33. Autobus
stage 16 (MT) 138th @31'56. Autobus
stage 17(MT) 31st @11'41.
stage 18 (transitional) 114th @7'07. Autobus although 17 riders finsihed behind the bus including Cunego.
stage 20 ITT 53km 16th @3'00 6 seconds behind Danny Pate.

In something that caught my eye, Froome's future Sky teammate Knees finished ahead of Froome on most of these stages(aside from the TT's) maybe Brailsford can work the magic on Knees.

Giro D'Italia 2009 36th

stage 4(mt) 48th @1'31. 11 seconds behind De Greef.
stage 5(mt) 29th @2'17.
stage 6(transitional) 71st @1'15. Finished with the Texan
stage 7(transitional) 120th @'40
stage 8(transitional) 48th @'31
stage 10(mt) 45th @3'29. Finished with Pozzato, Voigt, LY Bak and Marzano
stage 12 ITT 60.6km 34th @5'36
stage 14(mt) 6th @'36. The (in)famous zigzag climbing.
stage 15(transitional) 116th @22'48. Autobus
stage16 (mt) 25th @7'05
stage 17(mt) 161st @16'45. Autobus
stage 19(mt) 130th @17'11. Only 6 guys crossed the line after him.
stage 21 ITT 14.4km 32nd @1'00

Giro d'Italia 2010 DNQ

stage 1 ITT 8.4 138TH @'51. same time as Amador
stage 6(transitional) 97th @4'11. finished with Ale-Jet
stage 7(transitional) 132nd @24'10. Tuscan mud stage
stage 8(MT) 65th @12'02. 2 places and almost 4 minutes down on Tommy V.
stage 11 (transitional) 167th @46'31. Autobus
stage 13 (transitional) 111th @7'55. Worst Sky finisher.
stage 14(mt) 23rd @4'46. same group as Tommy V and 1 place ahead of Porte. Must have been talking about how much they were going to rake in 2013.
stage 15(mt) 82nd @22'35. Same group as the noted climber Pozzato.
stage 16 MTT 12.9km 39th @3'47. 4seconds behind Tommy V.
stage 17(transitional) 146th @18'13. Autobus
stage 19(mt) Kicked out for breaking the rules.

So looking at that, I'm now sold and can now see that Froome was a GT podium guy and maybe a future GT winner.

You forgot in 2009, 9th in the Tour du Haut Var, an event dominate by the likes of Thomas Voeckler and other French powerhouses...

 

[BYOP88]

You forgot in 2009, 9th in the Tour du Haut Var, an event dominate by the likes of Thomas Voeckler and other French powerhouses...

Hopefully in the next week or so, I will gather together all of Froome's stage race results prior to the magic happening.

 

[gooner]

I gave you the reasons why Kittel spoke out against Sayar. Choose to dismiss them if you like but the reasons are not the same that can be pointed at Froome now.

I wonder would you be in this thread if Contador was leading the GC and smashing it old school style like Plateau de Beille, Verbier and Etna. Somehow I doubt it.

I have stated my opinion clearly on Sky. Based on the info we know, I don't think there is a team wide doping programme going on and if there is something untoward going on, it's done more on an individual basis. I have no problem with people saying they are doping but whether you like it or not, that is an opinion that can't be given as 100% fact or gospel. Personally, I think Froome is probably doping but that's an opinion, not fact where I can say it with full assured certainty. That applies to everyone here as well on the forum. Too many people around here say their opinions with this assuredness when it's nothing of the case. I could be wrong with my stance on the team doping part and if I am, I won't lose any sleep and say I'm fooled and made an idiot of. I will get on with things as well be as I have more important things in my life than the sport of cycling/doping for me to get bogged down in all this.

Many posts I see around here give me the impression of a hatred/dislike where they hope for Sky to be doping and get busted in the future.