Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[vrusimov]

I gave you the reasons why Kittel spoke out against Sayar. Choose to dismiss them if you like but the reasons are not the same that can be pointed at Froome now.

I wonder would you be in this thread if Contador was leading the GC and smashing it old school style like Plateau de Beille, Verbier and Etna. Somehow I doubt it.

I have stated my opinion clearly on Sky. Based on the info we know, I don't think there is a team wide doping programme going on and if there is something untoward going on, it's done more on an individual basis. I have no problem with people saying they are doping but whether you like it or not, that is an opinion that can't be given as 100% fact or gospel. Personally, I think Froome is probably doping but that's an opinion, not fact where I can say it with full assured certainty. That applies to everyone here as well on the forum. Too many people around here say their opinions with this assuredness when it's nothing of the case. I could be wrong with my stance on the team doping part and if I am, I won't lose any sleep and say I'm fooled and made an idiot of. I will get on with things as well be as I have more important things in my life than the sport of cycling/doping for me to get bogged down in all this.

Many posts I see around here give me the impression of a hatred/dislike where they hope for Sky to be doping and get busted in the future.

It is not just that one hopes that Sky is doping. There are inconsistencies surrounding the team, Wiggins and Froome. Their development, meteoric rise over one season [each] and performances thereafter. These performances can be compared directly to the doping era and Froome in particular is at that level of performance. Wiggins placing third in a jacked-up 2009 Tour is suspicious, especially after his lackluster year before at High Road and his lower watt average in 2012. Not everything can be explained with simple weight loss.

 

[timbo25]

Are those two things the difference between your **** and your elbow?

you might wanna review your comment after the first week of the TDF

 

[TANK91]

I gave you the reasons why Kittel spoke out against Sayar. Choose to dismiss them if you like but the reasons are not the same that can be pointed at Froome now.

I wonder would you be in this thread if Contador was leading the GC and smashing it old school style like Plateau de Beille, Verbier and Etna. Somehow I doubt it.

I have stated my opinion clearly on Sky. Based on the info we know, I don't think there is a team wide doping programme going on and if there is something untoward going on, it's done more on an individual basis. I have no problem with people saying they are doping but whether you like it or not, that is an opinion that can't be given as 100% fact or gospel. Personally, I think Froome is probably doping but that's an opinion, not fact where I can say it with full assured certainty. That applies to everyone here as well on the forum. Too many people around here say their opinions with this assuredness when it's nothing of the case. I could be wrong with my stance on the team doping part and if I am, I won't lose any sleep and say I'm fooled and made an idiot of. I will get on with things as well be as I have more important things in my life than the sport of cycling/doping for me to get bogged down in all this.

Many posts I see around here give me the impression of a hatred/dislike where they hope for Sky to be doping and get busted in the future.

That's the thing they just hate it that Contador is not so domintant anymore, you cant have harly any discussion with Bertie fans before the TDF, I got called a troll and look he is doing shocking and they start playing the diff mindgames.

 

[observer]

That's the thing they just hate it that Contador is not so domintant anymore, you cant have harly any discussion with Bertie fans before the TDF, I got called a troll and look he is doing shocking and they start playing the diff mindgames.

I brought up Kittel, and I'm not a Contador fan. In fact, I quite like that Kittel speaks out, I just don't think that beating up on easy targets is enough. And I also don't want to derail this thread, so probably belongs in a Kittel thread or something.

 

[TANK91]

Well let's see, he's got the "go ride your bike", the "bitter haters", the "never failed a doping test" and the "no evidence", that was right out of the Lance Armstrong fanboy handbook.

This is really all quite entertaining.

Did you now Lance samples are now dirty, did you watch the Giro? Vini Fantini an Italian team 2 failed tests and you keep going on about Sky. Do you still believe its easy to get away with it lol. The science of today and you think Froome and any Sky rider who have not failed ONE I repeat ONE test are doping. Although Porte cracked today what is the problem with having 2 strongest riders what a joke that is, isit a given all strong riders are split up. And you lot are entertainingly bad.

 

[BroDeal]

Did you now Lance samples are now dirty, did you watch the Giro? Vini Fantini an Italian team 2 failed tests and you keep going on about Sky. Do you still believe its easy to get away with it lol. The science of today and you think Froome and any Sky rider who have not failed ONE I repeat ONE test are doping. Although Porte cracked today what is the problem with having 2 strongest riders what a joke that is, isit a given all strong riders are split up. And you lot are entertainingly bad.

I wonder if guys like this take the effort to write tripe like this or do they save time by digging up old Armstrong fanboy posts then change a few names.

 

[TANK91]

Hey La Flo Froome is the boss beefador is second rate he will stock up though dw. you a fan girl of 1 of the sketchiest dopers on the planet who has peaked, many barren years for you.

I seriously don't get this forum I see all stuff about Sky I repeat LA is caught his tests failed and you think Sky can get away with it . The Hog just trolls the boards aswel its sad it really is I don't usually react in the Clinic but Sky have failed ZERO, ZERO, ZERO tests, ZERO. This is so 2013 not 2000's lol. Look at the Schleck case last year, 2 Vini Fantini's got caught in the Giro and all you can say is oh we have heard it all befor LA used to lie bla bla bla, Lance got caught fgs. Just like Froome would if he was doping guys.

Seriously this Forum is messed up please reply to this question, would you rather Froome have cracked completely and Valverde takes mins out of the field? because me thinks its anyone but Sky give the dopers a pass but beat Sky? You cant deny it look at the pages all Sky stuff has reached, what about Astana and Movistar huh, I had to make a Movistar stage after yday yet you guys are more interested in Sky. Sad it really is GOODBYE.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Did you now Lance samples are now dirty,

Did you now that know is spelled with a K well now you now or know or whatever

did you watch the Giro?

Yes, and?

Vini Fantini an Italian team 2 failed tests

obviously they didn't make their payments on time

and you keep going on about Sky

obviously they have

. Do you still believe its easy to get away with it lol.

yes, of course

The science of today and you think Froome and any Sky rider who have not failed ONE I repeat ONE test are doping.

yes I do, I repeat, yes I do

Although Porte cracked today what is the problem with having 2 strongest riders what a joke that is, isit a given all strong riders are split up. And you lot are entertainingly bad.

And you are entertainingly stupid

Thanks for playing.

 

[Turner29]

I gave you the reasons why Kittel spoke out against Sayar. Choose to dismiss them if you like but the reasons are not the same that can be pointed at Froome now.

I wonder would you be in this thread if Contador was leading the GC and smashing it old school style like Plateau de Beille, Verbier and Etna. Somehow I doubt it.

I have stated my opinion clearly on Sky. Based on the info we know, I don't think there is a team wide doping programme going on and if there is something untoward going on, it's done more on an individual basis. I have no problem with people saying they are doping but whether you like it or not, that is an opinion that can't be given as 100% fact or gospel. Personally, I think Froome is probably doping but that's an opinion, not fact where I can say it with full assured certainty. That applies to everyone here as well on the forum. Too many people around here say their opinions with this assuredness when it's nothing of the case. I could be wrong with my stance on the team doping part and if I am, I won't lose any sleep and say I'm fooled and made an idiot of. I will get on with things as well be as I have more important things in my life than the sport of cycling/doping for me to get bogged down in all this.

Many posts I see around here give me the impression of a hatred/dislike where they hope for Sky to be doping and get busted in the future.

What we want, is Brailsford's view of transparency and performance beyond suspicion. Clearly, Sky does not deliver this. Brailsford's defensiveness and pseudo-scientific rants cloud the issue further.

I am not a believer of "righteous indignation" -- in my opinion, the louder somebody protests their innocence, the more guilty they become; name me an instance when such is not true.

And in this sport, any twisting of "science" to support a position is a clear sign of a cover-up. This is exactly what Landis' camp did and in Brailsford, I see no difference.

 

[rata de sentina]

You realise noone is saying he's a doper 100%, just that there is some info that may point to the fact that he's not clean.

Stop confusing poor darwin, obviously there's a few roos loose in the top paddock. Even if Evans were 100% clean a comparison is completely ridiculous. For a start since when was Evans "mediocre" ? Evans shows steady progression throughout his career which is quite a contrast with Froome.

 

[Boeing]

That. But then Porte decoded that blowing the peloton apart wasn't enough. He looked around and took off! Try doing that at home kids!

or

Do not try this at home!

or

Cycling needs to come with a disclaimer; "The following performances may include doped performances and may not appear real. This broadcast is purely for entertainment purposes. The UCI takes no responsibility for performances which are not normal"

then they had the balls to fake bonk to avoid suspicion today

 

[No_Balls]

10 char

 

[thehog]

then they had the balls to fake bonk to avoid suspicion today

It appears ASO said something as Saturday was absurd. Well it was so ridiculous not even USPS would have been so obvious. Not even in 2004.

I think on Saturday Sky weren't sure on how much juice Saxo & Movistar were going to amp it. Thus Sky went overboard. They were all too excited to show off. Porte more so. He was stupid. Should have held back and rode in with Valverde.

But Kennaugh killing everyone prior was enough to raise eyebrows then Porte and Froome went full ***.

Never has doping been so obvious than it was on Saturday. It was laughable.

The numbers confirm how totally ridiculous it was.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Should have held back and rode in with Valverde.

But Kennaugh killing everyone prior was enough to raise eyebrows then Porte and Froome went full ***.

Never has doping been so obvious than it was on Saturday. It was laughable.

The numbers confirm how totally ridiculous it was.

The bolded was what I expected. I was about to post a reference to Brunyeel/Armstrong handling their doping better, but really, there were days like Saturday for Armstrong. But, they were more dramatic. So maybe they were better in some bizarre way.

Not looking forward to reading about Tuesday. I can't watch any more.

 

[thehog]

The bolded was what I expected. I was about to post a reference to Brunyeel/Armstrong handling their doping better, but really, there were days like Saturday for Armstrong. But, they were more dramatic. So maybe they were better in some bizarre way.

Not looking forward to reading about Tuesday. I can't watch any more.

Bruyneel would never let anyone other than Armstrong go full ***. So the doms would just fall away. In saying that Heras and Landis did some epic rides and then rode in with the main group. I guess having Ullich & Basso charged helped the believability.

Tuesday.

I think the UCI will take Porte down. Leave Froome and shut little *** up. That should help McQuaid keep his job.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Thank you once again for you unbiased expertise. Care to explain?

It is well known there was a huge tailwind. Andy must've been around 6.8W/kg and LA/Wiggins 6.6-6.7.

Either that was the most doped up field of the era or something else was going on.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Ebh said the entire team is tired because they trained too hard. Froome didn't train hard? I hope he did because then it could get exciting still.

 

[thehog]

Ebh said the entire team is tired because they trained too hard. Froome didn't train hard? I hope he did because then it could get exciting still.

They're the best because they train the hardest. But also tired?

 

[vrusimov]

They're the best because they train the hardest. But also tired?

With, per David Millar, "trade secrets and training techniques that must be kept under wraps"

 

[LaFlorecita]

I wonder if guys like this take the effort to write tripe like this or do they save time by digging up old Armstrong fanboy posts then change a few names.

Haha brilliant

 

[thehog]

With, per David Millar, "trade secrets and training techniques that must be kept under wraps"

Yes Sky are open and transparent but keep everything under lock and key

 

[spalco]

We all know you cannot trust southern Europeans, and when it comes to someone as far south as Turkey, well, fugetaboutit. Dark complected non-English speaking dopin' m'f'k'rs! No way those dudes hop smart on us white guys without a lot of juice.

Colombia is far to the south of Turkey, and Quintana has a distinctly non-European look, who's accusing him?

This racism/ethnocentrism accusation you keep throwing around is almost as offensive as actual racism.

 

[BroDeal]

Colombia is far to the south of Turkey, and Quintana has a distinctly non-European look, who's accusing him?

This racism/ethnocentrism accusation you keep throwing around is almost as offensive as actual racism.

Talk to McQuaid. He'll set you right.

 

[Bakhjulet]

Ebh said the entire team is tired because they trained too hard. Froome didn't train hard? I hope he did because then it could get exciting still.

When and where did he say that?

 

[hrotha]

Colombia is far to the south of Turkey, and Quintana has a distinctly non-European look, who's accusing him?

This racism/ethnocentrism accusation you keep throwing around is almost as offensive as actual racism.

You must have missed what certain commentators said about him.