Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[Libertine Seguros]

Who's the British maillot jaune who beats them all in the contre-le-montre?
Froome!
You're damn right.
And who is the man, who would risk his GC position for his brother Wiggins?
Froome!
Can you dig it?
Who's the dawg that won't cop out when there's danger all about?
Froome!
Right on!
They say this dawg Froome is a doped mother...
Shut your mouth!
But I'm talkin' 'bout Froome!
Then we can dig it!
He's a complicated man, and no-one understands him but his woman
Chris Froome!

 

[Mr.38%]

If any current DS knows anything about training, position on the bike, equipment, it's Riis. Hell, his guru Checchini was ahead of his time with tempo, sweet spot, 40/20 and long VO²Max intervals etc. etc.

Speaking of TSS/CTL, any amateur racer with a little experience knows how fragile the concept is during the season with 2 races each weekend. It is a great Approach, maybe the current best, but is it the holy grail for world class professionals? Allen is a self-important a$$.

 

[Cerberus]

Apperently Froome thinks 440 W is physiologically impossible to. http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/froome-dismisses-vayers-power-estimates

Either that or Froome fails reading comprehension 101. he talks about a power average for a whole stage.

 

[BYOP88]

Apperently Froome thinks 440 KW per hour is physiologically impossible to. http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/froome-dismisses-vayers-power-estimates

Either that or Froome fails reading comprehension 101. he talks about a power average for a whole stage.

From that piece some interesting info "Prior to the 2011 Tour de Suisse, Froome had never finished in the top 10 in a time trial in a WorldTour event, yet a little over two years later, the 28-year-old put two minutes into his overall rivals in a 33-kilometre time trial at the Tour de France". #marginalgains

 

[DirtyWorks]

You mean the submaximal efforts over 4 Cat 1s on Stage 9? All of those ascents are slower than previous tours.

Ok. Got it. Is that the new normal then?

 

[DirtyWorks]

From that piece some interesting info "Prior to the 2011 Tour de Suisse, Froome had never finished in the top 10 in a time trial in a WorldTour event, yet a little over two years later, the 28-year-old put two minutes into his overall rivals in a 33-kilometre time trial at the Tour de France". #marginalgains

Johann Brailsford saw a diamond in the rough when he signed Froome.

A little science and BAM! a stream of grand tour contenders. That happens all the time.

 

[sprenten]

From that piece some interesting info "Prior to the 2011 Tour de Suisse, Froome had never finished in the top 10 in a time trial in a WorldTour event, yet a little over two years later, the 28-year-old put two minutes into his overall rivals in a 33-kilometre time trial at the Tour de France". #marginalgains

Froome finished 16th in the final time trial of 2008 TdF considering the distance of that TT, the parcours, and the people who finished in front of him. I would say his prowess on a time trial bike has always been known.

 

[roundabout]

Apperently Froome thinks 440 KW per hour is physiologically impossible to. http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/froome-dismisses-vayers-power-estimates

Either that or Froome fails reading comprehension 101. he talks about a power average for a whole stage.

440 kW is supercar engine territory.

 

[Cerberus]

440 kW is supercar engine territory.

Liar! I didn't say that! Just look at my post, which is in no way edited to remove embarasing mistakes.

 

[Miburo]

Froome finished 16th in the final time trial of 2008 TdF considering the distance of that TT, the parcours, and the people who finished in front of him. I would say his prowess on a time trial bike has always been known.

He did that once, so what?

I can give you ITT or MTF's where he did poor but because he did 1 decent ITT it's justified that he almost beats Martin?

 

[EnacheV]

Froome finished 16th in the final time trial of 2008 TdF considering the distance of that TT, the parcours, and the people who finished in front of him. I would say his prowess on a time trial bike has always been known.

So 1 year after turning pro, at 23, Froome finished 16th in the final time trial of 2008 TdF

Last day TT contador was 15th

15. ESPCONTADOR Alberto 91 TEAM SAXO-TINKOFF 38' 44'' + 02' 15''

There was no talent here, move along guys.

His performances come out of nowhere

He surely is doped

 

[vrusimov]

Vayer gives Froome a 6.5 while others have him at 6.3 and 6.35 (I have seen one as low 6.22). Assuming there is error and there likely is, it is possible Froome is over 6.5 in the 6.7 range, but it is also only estimated by time, distance, and elevation, but not backed by true SRM data so in the same respects those 6.3 and 6.35 could be as low as 6.1-6.2 and that is a huge grey area (.5kg). If a 3 week grand tour can be won on a Cat 1 climb and a 33k TT then it can be won clean. I am looking for the guys who keep similar W/kg up Ventoux as they did the Bonascre to start flagging, then flag those up Le Alpe. If Froome was 6.5 up Bonascre he should be at best be 6.2 up Ventoux and anyone greater than 6.2 up Ventoux is likely doping. A more likely doping scenario has someone who was 5.8-5.9 up Bonascre going 6.0-6.1 up Ventoux an almost miraculous gain in fitness during a race at Stage 15 despite the lack of mountains.

Are the other riders doped or not? Can you answer this? And what does that make Froome if they are? I don't follow your chain of reasoning, unless you think just giving away chunks of time to Froome on a MTF is protocol for winning a grand tour. Sandbagging could indeed be a ploy but not when you don't know how much further in arrears you will be after yesterday's TT. How in the devil do guys who put out less than 6w/kg turn around and produce higher levels later in the tour? Unless they are doped, and then again, what does that make Froome? Your reasoning implicates Froome negatively if your assessment is one that the baseline riders are sandbagging their way to a victory in Paris.

 

[filipo]

From that piece some interesting info "Prior to the 2011 Tour de Suisse, Froome had never finished in the top 10 in a time trial in a WorldTour event, yet a little over two years later, the 28-year-old put two minutes into his overall rivals in a 33-kilometre time trial at the Tour de France". #marginalgains

"If I look at the two time trials in the Tour, I think the one yesterday was the one where I could take the biggest advantage as it was flat and quite windy," Froome said.

Which is, of course, exactly where lanky, stick-thin riders do best.

 

[the sceptic]

Froome was clean in 2008?

 

[BYOP88]

Froome finished 16th in the final time trial of 2008 TdF considering the distance of that TT, the parcours, and the people who finished in front of him. I would say his prowess on a time trial bike has always been known.

The same Chris Froome, who was beaten in 13 stages by his future Sky teammate Knees in the 2008 TdF. Froome beat Knees in both ITT's (4 seconds in the 1st and 3'36 in the 2nd) and the stage to Alpe D'Huez, although Froome lost almost 40 minutes to Knees on the 2 stages before the Alpe stage, I'm guessing that Froome was saving himself for a crack at the Alpe.

 

[Miburo]

Froome was clean in 2008?

Other riders were doping then. Now no one is doping and Froome's natural talent makes him crush them.

Gotta give props to sky though. Who ever beats them now is definitely doped. You can't beat them unless you go full in the dope.

You gotta ride up a mountain faster than armstrong to gap Froome.

 

[vrusimov]

He did that once, so what?

I can give you ITT or MTF's where he did poor but because he did 1 decent ITT it's justified that he almost beats Martin?

Well I believe that Froome could have beaten Martin yesterday. If the jersey and a tour victory depended on that TT he would have won it. He had all before him, times, Porte's ride, everything. Andreu opined that he slowed but I don't need his summation to know that :12 seconds over 33km can easily be erased. I am not sure that he did not have worse conditions than Martin to boot.

 

[pmcg76]

Somebody privvy to powermeter files from lots of athletes.

Well its only a few years since Allen was selling his coaching prowess in cycling magazines, his top clients at the time were Dan Lloyd & Dan Fleeman. Maybe his clientele has expanded and improved since then but I don't think he is coaching too many big hitters.

 

[sprenten]

Ok. Got it. Is that the new normal then?

Just the facts, that is all I want. A couple of 10-15s digs of 600-800 watts by Valverde and Quintana were not going to make a difference. Quintana's effort the previous day is the one that should have raised the most suspicion with near record Pailheres effort and then top 80 all time Bonascre. Ventoux, the 2nd TT, and Le Alpe are going paint a different picture than the first 11 stages painted and if they don't then Froome has some pretty suspicious efforts that span a period of time which a human is likely to hold while racing, he can hold his fitness up Ventoux, but it is out of the question that he holds it up Le' Alpe 2x, Glandon, and Madeleine without suffering from sort of fatigue. That is where I become a Froome non-believer.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

So 1 year after turning pro, at 23, Froome finished 16th in the final time trial of 2008 TdF

Last day TT contador was 15th

15. ESPCONTADOR Alberto 91 TEAM SAXO-TINKOFF 38' 44'' + 02' 15''

There was no talent here, move along guys.

His performances come out of nowhere

He surely is doped

Was this on Barloworld? LMAO. He finished 84th overall, over a couple hours back. Should be indicator of future success...

 

[vrusimov]

Other riders were doping then. Now no one is doping and Froome's natural talent makes him crush them.

Gotta give props to sky though. Who ever beats them now is definitely doped. You can't beat them unless you go full in the dope.

You gotta ride up a mountain faster than armstrong to gap Froome.

And "only" as fast as Armstrong to prove you are clean.

 

[vrusimov]

Was this on Barloworld? LMAO. He finished 84th overall, over a couple hours back. Should be indicator of future success...

Giro d'Italia 2010 DNQ

stage 1 ITT 8.4 138TH @'51. same time as Amador
stage 6(transitional) 97th @4'11. finished with Ale-Jet
stage 7(transitional) 132nd @24'10. Tuscan mud stage
stage 8(MT) 65th @12'02. 2 places and almost 4 minutes down on Tommy V.
stage 11 (transitional) 167th @46'31. Autobus
stage 13 (transitional) 111th @7'55. Worst Sky finisher.
stage 14(mt) 23rd @4'46. same group as Tommy V and 1 place ahead of Porte. Must have been talking about how much they were going to rake in 2013.
stage 15(mt) 82nd @22'35. Same group as the noted climber Pozzato.
stage 16 MTT 12.9km 39th @3'47. 4seconds behind Tommy V.
stage 17(transitional) 146th @18'13. Autobus
stage 19(mt) Kicked out for breaking the rules.

Take careful note of the autobus performances from the "motorbike tour"

 

[EnacheV]

Was this on Barloworld? LMAO. He finished 84th overall, over a couple hours back. Should be indicator of future success...

debutant, ****ty team, slower curve, 84th is quite good

edit: messed up names

contador was 31 overall first tour for him. big difference

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Froome finished 16th in the final time trial of 2008 TdF considering the distance of that TT, the parcours, and the people who finished in front of him. I would say his prowess on a time trial bike has always been known.

LMFAO. A year later at the 2009 Giro, Froome rocked 34th place, over 5 minutes behind the winner.
33rd in the second TT.

 

[the sceptic]

LMFAO. A year later at the 2009 Giro, Froome rocked 34th place, over 5 minutes behind the winner.

Don't know how he would have done in the last TT because he was DQ'd for holding onto a car on the Vesuvius stage.

His talent for...cheating has always been known.

Dont forget that Froome was riding the 2009 giro on this though