Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[ExRower]

And who is the guy on the avatar?

Miguel Indurain

 

[hrotha]

The youngster Quintana attacked from far out and was "just" 29s behind Froome. If Froome is such an obvious doper Quintana must at least be in the suspicion area. Or is Quitana's performance credible because he has always been a huge talent who is now coming into his own? If so, then you agree that a clean talented climber can go almost as fast a fulldoped rider equal to Armstrong. And many seems to believe that Quintana will just get better, if so he will reach Froome level considering how close he is now. Seems to be some inconsistency here.

Quintana is in the suspicious area, as any world class cyclist, and especially those riding for Movistar.

But you neglect to mention Froome built most of his gap while Quintana was still ahead, so Nairo didn't have to deal with that directly.

 

[stampedingviking]

We dislike doping Mengele. Unlike you.

Yet there is such love for the convicted cheat Contador!

Double standards alive and well

 

[thirteen]

How are we expected to want to watch the rest of this TDF after that?

c'est pas possible...

 

[deValtos]

No I wouldn't, because others here are actually posting times (which are faster). So what is is your time?

http://climbing-records.blogspot.ro/

Thats for the full ventoux climb which is what we should be looking at.

Of course people are trying to get the time where Froome looks the fastest so people are posting now 15km from the top where vetoo says 48:35 and other estimations give 49:00 plus or minus.

The record however is 45:47, with pantani also at 46, confirmed by Portoelau/Vayer.

Anyways it seems no one actually gives a **** ...

 

[spalco]

We dislike doping Mengele. Unlike you.

I think that's the most disgusting thing I've ever read on this forum. You should be ashamed of yourself. You won't be, but you should.

 

[arvc40]

Our of interest, are any of the other riders or there teams complaining about Froomes peformance ?. They would surely know better than anyone.

 

[vrusimov]

Quintana is in the suspicious area, as any world class cyclist, and especially those riding for Movistar.

But you neglect to mention Froome built most of his gap while Quintana was still ahead, so Nairo didn't have to deal with that directly.

And I am seeing that Quintana lost his :29 seconds in the space of 1.2km!

 

[silverrocket]

No. Definitive is when a rider is sanctioned by anti-doping agencies. Up until that point, all you have is speculation/innuendo/beliefs/suspicion/whatever you wish to call it.

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I sort of agree, except think you are looking at it in black and white terms when reality is much more grey. Even doping sanctions are usually just a case of a certain threshold of evidence being reached. Eg. 50% hematocrit = sanction, 49.9% = no sanction. Or convincing circumstantial evidence, like blood bags found at a doping doctor's office.

A performance like Froome's today is certainly not "proof" that he is doping, but such outlier performances do contribute to the body of circumstantial evidence leading people to believe he is doping. This is not so different from statistical estimates of probability as used in science (eg. p-values, AIC/BIC).

 

[the sceptic]

And I am seeing that Quintana lost his :29 seconds in the space of 1.2km!

Dawg could have put a lot more time into Quintana and the rest if he wanted to

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Yet there is such love for the convicted cheat Contador!

Double standards alive and well

Not everybody who is anti-Froome is pro-Contador. That's just an artificial position created by impressions based on a few pro-Contador posters and perpetuated often by posters who want to be able to rationalise the suspicions of Sky as being hypocritical and/or jealous.

There are many legitimate reasons to suspect Team Sky, and many legitimate reasons to dislike them that do not include Alberto Contador in any way shape or form. Granted, most Contador fans dislike Team Sky and Froome for the reason that their guy is being beaten, but that does not mean that all people that dislike Froome are Contador fans.

Similarly, while most Real Madrid fans hate Barcelona, it's possible to dislike Barcelona without automatically being a fan of Real Madrid.

 

[zeamonkey]

Tweet:

Brian Holm ‏@brianholmC 3h
Froome var i bad i morges. Han er ren #TdfDk

"Froome took a shower this morning. He is clean.


LOL

 

[sprenten]

The youngster Quintana attacked from far out and was "just" 29s behind Froome. If Froome is such an obvious doper Quintana must at least be in the suspicion area. Or is Quitana's performance credible because he has always been a huge talent who is now coming into his own? If so, then you agree that a clean talented climber can go almost as fast a fulldoped rider equal to Armstrong. And many seems to believe that Quintana will just get better, if so he will reach Froome level considering how close he is now. Seems to be some inconsistency here.

both are suspicious as is contador.

 

[arvc40]

Whatever Froomes time was for the climb he defo could have gone faster had he started his assault earlier. Pretty spectacular thats for sure.

 

[petelow]

Crushing his hand

The legendary Gregory James LeMond agrees with you!
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/photo...ur-france-2013-stage-20130714-163526-984.html

Greg looks like he's crushing Vrooms hand while piercing him with those eyes that Vroom is rightfully not looking back at.

 

[The Hitch]

The youngster Quintana attacked from far out and was "just" 29s behind Froome. If Froome is such an obvious doper Quintana must at least be in the suspicion area. Or is Quitana's performance credible because he has always been a huge talent who is now coming into his own? If so, then you agree that a clean talented climber can go almost as fast a fulldoped rider equal to Armstrong. And many seems to believe that Quintana will just get better, if so he will reach Froome level considering how close he is now. Seems to be some inconsistency here.

While I certainly wouldnt claim I know any rider is clean, nairo did not smash the tt. Froome is outclimbing a climbing specialist like Quintana while destroying everyone in the tt at the same time. He's doing that at the end of a half year long peak (or at least 1 assumes it might be the end).

 

[Poursuivant]

So using this site someone posted earlier...

http://climbing-records.blogspot.ro/

from the base of Ventoux, the 21.5 km climb, Froome climbed slower than Kreuziger from 2009, 5 seconds faster than Nibali and 10 seconds faster than Wiggins. It isn't as ''alien' as a lot of you want it to be. He was paced up the majority of the climb, and there was also a tailwind.

There is nothing wrong with asking questions, it is needed, but all this 'full ***' bollo*ks is becoming boring.

 

[Rollthedice]

Our of interest, are any of the other riders or there teams complaining about Froomes peformance ?. They would surely know better than anyone.

Oleg Tinkov had a funny tweet:

Armstrong have had same dominance as Froome. And later i seen him crying to Oprah. I am too adult to believe in fairytales.#Tdf #SaxoTinkoff№1

 

[MrRoboto]

http://climbing-records.blogspot.ro/

Thats for the full ventoux climb which is what we should be looking at.

Of course people are trying to get the time where Froome looks the fastest so people are posting now 15km from the top where vetoo says 48:35 and other estimations give 49:00 plus or minus.

The record however is 45:47, with pantani also at 46, confirmed by Portoelau/Vayer.

Anyways it seems no one actually gives a **** ...

The Mayo one is a MTT at the Dauphine though...And the Pantani one they rode over it so I think it had a slightly different route (?).

 

[vcampbell]

Tweet:

Brian Holm ‏@brianholmC 3h
Froome var i bad i morges. Han er ren #TdfDk

"Froome took a shower this morning. He is clean.


LOL

A bit of me is dying, but this is hilarious

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

People are getting so excited about this guy, it is not like he met a proper climber in this race or anything

 

[No_Balls]

Miguel Indurain

"Never failed a test".

Funny, i am in the same position as the Skydrones in here celebrating their guy.

The question wasnt meant for you though.

Yet there is such love for the convicted cheat Contador!

Double standards alive and well

He was not alone. There was this covering up from UCI, CONI, USPS-gate and the questions was not wheter they juiced, but who didn´t. I see no problem cheering for a specific rider in this context.

Now, during the pretext of being a "cleaner peloton" (which is good if so), its not hard to see who and what´s the elephant in the room.

And i am pleased to see a "clean Contador" still is a man for the podium.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

It's because they are all in love with Contador.

Is it true that Froome climbed Ventoux slower than Wiggins and co. in 2009?

Of which i never understand. That guy is having had stored blood at the famous doctor, eats steaks with plasticizers, and did boring "stare-at-Schleck" shows.

About the time, i wait until some more official numbers come out. Looking forward what the sportsscientists.com guys have to say tomorrow.

We dislike doping Mengele. Unlike you.

Thanks for enlightening me.

That's ironic considering your avatar

Who is it? Thanks in advance...

 

[the sceptic]

People are getting so excited about this guy, it is not like he met a proper climber in this race or anything

Thats true. Everyone peaked too early and Contador isnt here.

 

[beowulf]

He's not talking to Brailsford, he's listening to the cricket!

Now this is funny!