Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[SaxonUK]

So Froome didn't come out of nowhere in the 2011 Vuelta?

Lets have a look at his cracking Palmares prior:

2005
1st Stage 2 Tour of Mauritius

2006
1st Overall Tour of Mauritius
1st Stages 2 & 3 2nd Anatomic Jock Race

2007
1st Overall Mi-Août Bretonne
1st Stage 5 Giro delle Regioni (Under-23)
1st Stage 6 Tour of Japan
2nd Berg en Dale Classic
2nd Time trial, B World Championships
3rd Road race, All-Africa Games

2008
2nd Overall Giro del Capo
3rd Giro dell'Appennino
4th Overall Herald Sun Tour
83 Tour de France

2009
1st Stage 2 Giro del Capo
1st Anatomic Jock Race
34 Giro d'Italia

2010
2nd National Time Trial Championships
5th Time trial, Commonwealth Games
9th Overall Tour du Haut Var
DSQ Giro d'Italia (holding on to a motorbike to keep up with the laughing bunch)

These results are ALL pre badzhilla, yet we are to beleive that his transformation is completely legit?

For comparisons sake, lets have a look at another, similarly aged riders Palmares:

2004
2nd Tour du lac Leman
5th Stausee-Rundfahrt Klingnau
8th GP della Costa Etruschi

2005
1st Giro del Lago Maggiore (GP Knorr)
3rd Mediterranean Games Road Race
3rd Giro del Mendrisiotto
5th Memorial Cimurri
7th Coppa Sabatini
7th Coppa Placci

2009
1st Overall Tre Valli Varesine
2nd Coppa Agostini
8th Overall Tour Down Under

2010
2nd Coppa Agostoni
5th GP Ouest France-Plouay
8th Giro di Lombardia

2011
2nd Giro della Toscana

2012
4th Giro di Lombardia
6th Clásica de San Sebastián

2013
1st GP Industria & Artigianato di Larciano
2nd Overall Giro del Trentino
3rd Trofeo Laigueglia
5th Gran Premio Città di Camaiore
6th Overall Tour de San Luis
7th Overall Tirreno–Adriatico

Looking at the highlighted results above, would you be surprised if I told you that this rider came top 10 at the 2013 Giro d'Italia? I won't tell you whose results these are until you answer that question.

It wouldn't suprise me if they came top 10 at the Giro, I know who it is and I know what they did but that is just one example, and his 2013 season was incredibly suspicious and as it turns out was right to be suspicious, Froomes 2013 season is just as suuspicious.

 

[42x16ss]

It wouldn't suprise me if they came top 10 at the Giro, I know who it is and I know what they did but that is just one example, and his 2013 season was incredibly suspicious and as it turns out was right to be suspicious, Froomes 2013 season is just as suuspicious.

Try not to make it too easy to work out

 

[BYOP88]

So Froome didn't come out of nowhere in the 2011 Vuelta?

Lets have a look at his cracking Palmares prior:

2005
1st Stage 2 Tour of Mauritius

2006
1st Overall Tour of Mauritius
1st Stages 2 & 3 2nd Anatomic Jock Race

2007
1st Overall Mi-Août Bretonne
1st Stage 5 Giro delle Regioni (Under-23)
1st Stage 6 Tour of Japan
2nd Berg en Dale Classic
2nd Time trial, B World Championships
3rd Road race, All-Africa Games

2008
2nd Overall Giro del Capo
3rd Giro dell'Appennino
4th Overall Herald Sun Tour
83 Tour de France

2009
1st Stage 2 Giro del Capo
1st Anatomic Jock Race
34 Giro d'Italia

2010
2nd National Time Trial Championships
5th Time trial, Commonwealth Games
9th Overall Tour du Haut Var
DSQ Giro d'Italia (holding on to a motorbike to keep up with the laughing bunch)

These results are ALL pre badzhilla, yet we are to beleive that his transformation is completely legit?

Dude there are a few reasons why Froome went from this to Aug 2011-present day.

1)He didn't come through a normal cycling programme. In case you didn't know they didn't have roads in Africa until 2-3 weeks ago. So he wasn't able to ride on roads until he got to Europe.

2)His time on Barloworld was basically the equivalent of other riders under 23 days. So he had to get used to riding on tarmac, how a bike worked and not to get transfixed on how cool it is to see a wheel move round etc etc.

3)He also had to realize that wild animals weren't going to jump over the barriers and attack him. If you look at that famous Giro stage from 2009, you'll see that he was zigzagging because he thought at any given moment a pride of lions was going to jump the barriers and attack him. The noise of fans watching a bike race is the same exact sound made by a pride of lions as they chase their prey.

4)He was too fat from all the African food that he ate prior to his arrival in Europe. He wasn't aware that to make it in the European peloton you had to look like an extra from Schindler's List and not an offensive lineman from the NFL.

5)He slept with so many different pillows it wore him out and prevented him from getting good REM sleep.

6)His bidons contained lemon juice and not pineapple juice.

There are many more reasons for Froome sucking a$$ from 2008-until August 2011 but then he found drugs and it worked out well for him, those apartments in Monaco aren't easy to buy on a domestiques wage.

By drugs I of course meant Praziquantel

 

[veganrob]

You forgot he didn't have cycling shoes.

 

[Ripper]

Dude there are a few reasons why Froome went from this to Aug 2011-present day.

1)He didn't come through a normal cycling programme. In case you didn't know they didn't have roads in Africa until 2-3 weeks ago. So he wasn't able to ride on roads until he got to Europe.

2)His time on Barloworld was basically the equivalent of other riders under 23 days. So he had to get used to riding on tarmac, how a bike worked and not to get transfixed on how cool it is to see a wheel move round etc etc.

3)He also had to realize that wild animals weren't going to jump over the barriers and attack him. If you look at that famous Giro stage from 2009, you'll see that he was zigzagging because he thought at any given moment a pride of lions was going to jump the barriers and attack him. The noise of fans watching a bike race is the same exact sound made by a pride of lions as they chase their prey.

4)He was too fat from all the African food that he ate prior to his arrival in Europe. He wasn't aware that to make it in the European peloton you had to look like an extra from Schindler's List and not an offensive lineman from the NFL.

5)He slept with so many different pillows it wore him out and prevented him from getting good REM sleep.

6)His bidons contained lemon juice and not pineapple juice.

There are many more reasons for Froome sucking a$$ from 2008-until August 2011 but then he found drugs and it worked out well for him, those apartments in Monaco aren't easy to buy on a domestiques wage.

By drugs I of course meant Praziquantel

I`ve had a bad day, but reading this gave me a good laugh

 

[Ventoux Boar]

How very convenient then that after 3 straight years of being fully pro Armstrong his mind only changed the day after USADA stripped Lance of his titles.

Man that is some really lucky **** right there for Wiggins. For over 1000 days his daily mind change generator was broken. His brain was unable to change from its pro Armstrong stance like it was supposed to. But thank god, like one of those suspense scenes in the movies where the hero saves the world 2 seconds before the universe is about to end, just at the right time- Wiggos random mind change generator flips back into gear the moment his sponsors ask him to tell the world how much he really always hated Lance.

But don't read what I say. I'm just being a creep and a sociopath by remembering what Wiggins used to say about Lance, or what Brailsford used to say about attacking on climbs, or how Froome used to finish gt mountain stages. Real doping discussion doesn't look past last week. Froome beat everyone, he's won a gt before so its not remotely suspicious, and if any dopers have ever managed to ride similar tempo, they must have been mediocre dopers.

This reads more like a George Galloway rant than a reasoned argument. Do esteemed clinic regulars, like yourself, think that this heretic hunt refutes reasoned arguments? Or do you prefer to protect the integrity of the echo chamber?

You did say something interesting a few pages back about the Sky Train being Conti grade compared to Movi. Care to expand on this in the Sky thread? It's a new one on me.

 

[EnacheV]

You did say something interesting a few pages back about the Sky Train being Conti grade compared to Movi. Care to expand on this in the Sky thread? It's a new one on me.

Sky sucks or are gods depending on the needs to arrive to the Sky doping conclusion, it's not fixed and generally true.

His name was Mustafa Sayar, and he's the Turkish Chris Froome.

Nice

Now show me where they caught Froome for EPO.

You can't?

Than stop with stupid comparisons.

 

[SundayRider]

Neither of them are legit (that is an understatement!) however Froome's early career record is arguably more accomplished than Wiggins was in his early hears on the road.

 

[Saint Unix]

Sky sucks or are gods depending on the needs to arrive to the Sky doping conclusion, it's not fixed and generally true.



Nice

Now show me where they caught Froome for EPO.

You can't?

Than stop with stupid comparisons.

That's basically the same as the old "never tested positive" argument that worked so well for Armstrong.

 

[bewildered]

Sky sucks or are gods depending on the needs to arrive to the Sky doping conclusion, it's not fixed and generally true.



Nice

Now show me where they caught Froome for EPO.

You can't?

Than stop with stupid comparisons.

He wasn't comparing their doping test record, he was comparing their results. But you completely side-stepped that and called the comparison stupid? You don't think it illustrates how people are right to question Froome's transformation? It is a very good comparison based on quite similar results.

No he doesn't have a positive test, but we know that Dr. Leinders joined his team 6 months before his results dramatically changed. But ignore that as well if you want.

 

[Ventoux Boar]

Froome's Laws - serialized #1

1. All athletes always achieve their potential. The inner engine will be visible in results regardless of background, opportunity and psychology. No exceptions. Only Skybots disagree. - The Clinic 2014

 

[bewildered]

1. All athletes always achieve their potential. The inner engine will be visible in results regardless of background, opportunity and psychology. No exceptions. Only Skybots disagree. - The Clinic 2014

After 100 years of doping in the sport and 20+ years of blood-vector doping, fans have no right to question the type of performances that have only ever been achieved by blood vector-dopers? Don't insult my intelligence with your nonsense, fans have every right to question.

Perhaps if Mauro or his team could have afforded Dr. Leinders he wouldn't have tested positive at all.

 

[lllludo]

To address each of the paragraphs
2. Modelling? Why the hell would you need that [...] Although I image they have more sophisticated rigs for that.

3. And how many clean riders have tried? Until quite recently their have been precious few clean team leaders. The data on what a clean rider can do is very thin on the ground. And who knows what some of the dopers could have done clean. (The performance of Froome's that people keep banging on about Ax3 was beaten by a Roberto Laiseka - a very run-of the-mill rider. Quinitana comfortably outclimbed him when he didn't attack too early.)

You need modelling because with your "more sophisticated rig" you collect dat (speed, frictional force) and you input these data in a "model" an equation, high-school level I agree with you.

Laiseka was doping and his doping program at Euskatel was very efficient. Mayo, Etxebarria were flying and even a donkey like Landaluze could win Dauphiné.
Quintana clean? I really don't know. Even if he's riding for Movistar I'd like to believe he's clean but when you hear this week that 2 young south americans got popped it's hard to believe.

 

[lllludo]

I'm reading "Inside team SKY" at the moment...

David Walsh's book is very entertaining and nice to read in public transport.
According to Walsh 3 unknown keys to Froomey's success (on top of healing from Bilharzia) are:
1. when in South-Africa in off-season he trains 6 hours a day EVERY day
2. In 2011 he shed 5kg from 73kg to 68kg (on a 6'1") because he was doing no-breakfast training rides (simple!)
3. When he arrived in Monaco he found a great coach in Bobby Julich who taught him racing savvy
...plus he says he's very determined, gifted for accounting his effort, very intelligent ...

 

[EnacheV]

He wasn't comparing their doping test record, he was comparing their results.

There is no comparison terms for their results also, it's pure bull**** aimed to only get to the finish line who reads Froome=Doping.

 

[Benotti69]

it is official, Sky have attracted the minions of similar level than Armstrong.

"Show me where Froome tested positive for EPO" was the moment.


Sky should get some bracelets and an awareness campaign going and do too much good for too many................

 

[Saint Unix]

David Walsh's book is very entertaining and nice to read in public transport.
According to Walsh 3 unknown keys to Froomey's success (on top of healing from Bilharzia) are:
1. when in South-Africa in off-season he trains 6 hours a day EVERY day
2. In 2011 he shed 5kg from 73kg to 68kg (on a 6'1") because he was doing no-breakfast training rides (simple!)
3. When he arrived in Monaco he found a great coach in Bobby Julich who taught him racing savvy
...plus he says he's very determined, gifted for accounting his effort, very intelligent ...

That's hilarious. And just for even more laughs, this:


According to many the 3 keys to Armstrong's success (on top of healing from cancer) are:
1. "I'm on my bike busting my *** for six hours a day. What are you on?" - Lance Armstrong
2. In 1996 Lance Armstrong shed a several kgs of his triathlete muscles and other extra weight due to cancer.
3. Lance Armstrong found great coaches in Chris Carmichael and Jim Ochowicz who taught him racing savvy.
... plus he's very determined, gifted for accounting his effort, very intelligent...

 

[bewildered]

There is no comparison terms for their results also, it's pure bull**** aimed to only get to the finish line who reads Froome=Doping.

explain why there's no comparison? Go through the results and show us why you think that

 

[LaFlorecita]

No-breakfast training rides, that sounds very healthy

 

[SundayRider]

No-breakfast training rides, that sounds very healthy

Wonder how he managed to ride hard enough to increase his power whilst in a fasted state?

 

[deeno1975]

Wonder how he managed to ride hard enough to increase his power whilst in a fasted state?

Low Fat Pineapple Juice

 

[will10]

No-breakfast training rides, that sounds very healthy

C'mon Flo, fasted training is not even remotely novel.

 

[The Hitch]

Reminds me of what tennis commentators say about Rafael Nadal doing training sessions without taking on any liquid

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Reminds me of what tennis commentators say about Rafael Nadal doing training sessions without taking on any liquid

I don't know what it's about or what they said but a body differences in dehydration. I did mma fights and trained for over 10 years(still do) and I did very enduring trainings without any liquid either. I would lose 4 kg during a training sometimes. I never felt bad though. despite I always sweat a ton. it goes into being at festival parties in the burning sun of 40 degrees "stampen" as hard as I can for hours without any liquid while I've seen people die from it let alone being carried away taken for medical assistance.

I don't know if this is trainable or just being born with but I can imagine it is a very important factor in playing 3 hours of tennis in the heat

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

No-breakfast training rides, that sounds very healthy

it is a very good thing because you train your body to be even more economical with your reserves