Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[Dear Wiggo]

The Dawg must be on the mend!

https://twitter.com/chrisfroome/status/444102864231989248

Not able to ride TA but able to ride in those conditions?

Exactly, there is so much BS surrounding Froome.

+infinity

More than anything surely would be the risk of ice or other leading to a fall which would have an impact on his health.

People responding to the tweet held the same view - on balance he's only half lauded there.

 

[EnacheV]

People responding to the tweet held the same view - on balance he's only half lauded there.

i especially like this

Florrie ‏@vamosalberto 9h
@chrisfroome I take it your back is fine then? :S

 

[Netserk]

i especially like this

Florrie ‏@vamosalberto 9h
@chrisfroome I take it your back is fine then? :S

I liked this one:

 

[EnacheV]

i like this one even more

 

[BYOP88]

i like this one even more

Fake, everyone knows that Froome doesn't drink,unless it's illegal drinks

 

[McLovin]

You are welcome.

Welcome for what? I was talking about pain, about speed and effort in a race vs a joy ride, same as the user I was quoting. It has nothing to do with watching a race. Your answer had nothing to do with that. Please read it before throwing an answer. I hope people here are not putting their hopes in you finding a proof Froome is doping. There is a small chance you might just not have that little something, that 'je ne sais quoi' .

 

[Berzin]

Stop with the off-topic nonsense.

Stop arguing with each other.

Play the ball, not the man.

 

[McLovin]

I thought this is the offtopic thread. There are 900 pages of offtopic here. I guess I got confused. Sorry for that.

 

[Netserk]

Stop with the off-topic nonsense.

Stop arguing with each other.

Play the ball, not the man.

Huh? My picture of a Froome tweet was on topic, not arguing with anybody, and didn't play the man.

It was fictional and funny.

 

[sittingbison]

,,,It was fictional and funny.

Huh? Fictional??

 

[Netserk]

Huh? Fictional??

You did read the reason for editing, no?

 

[pastronef]

Indeed, riding as a 'tourist' there is less chance of him getting tested than at TA...

that's a good point. another one is that riding as a tourist while injured allows you to take it easier and not push as hard as during a race.

 

[The Hitch]

that's a good point. another one is that riding as a tourist while injured allows you to take it easier and not push as hard as during a race.

He was joking.

 

[Stingray34]

We've all seen Froome-Dawg ride; he ain't got that kinda rhythm

 

[Stingray34]

That was how I said "Hello" To Robin Williams in the train station in Nantes on the way back from the ITT penultimate stage of the 2003 TdF. He walked into the news kiosk completely unnoticed, as if no one seemed to recognise him (it had rained all day and we all looked line drowned rats). So I sidled up to him, pretending to be perusing the magazines, leant over (he's rather short) and whispered, "Nanoo nanoo." He looked up and smiled, as if expecting to see a familiar face, but seeing me instead, his expression changed to "WTF are you?" But we spoke briefly about the day's stage (Ullrich crashed; Pharmstrong clinched the tour) and I left him be.

Wow, great story! I thought those guys would be over that kinda thing - it must be an in joke with his pals. He seems like a nice enough guy on your recollection. In interviews he's a seriously funny nut.

EDIT: Of course he would be un-noticed in Nantes - all Frenchmen are oblivious to everything but wine and mistresses.

 

[doperhopper]

wouldn't be surprised if the back issue comes more often at convenient time, maybe new badzilla

 

[RobbieCanuck]

aha, i see, he didn't go to TA in order to avoid testing,

you mean you believe that testing works and we can rely on testing to catch dopers ?

Testing works two ways

1. It does occasionally catch riders - Armstrong at the TDF 1999, Landis, Hamilton etc.

2. It forces those who would cheat to go to extra lengths to beat the test. This usually requires having to hire someone with this knowledge, keeping a strict deadline as to when to use drugs, a system of acquiring and storing the drugs, a system of extracting blood etc. This is time consuming and expensive. In addition testing is sophisticated enough to detect attempts to beat the test - tests for plasticizers.

So it is a deterrent. Is it foolproof - no! But the scientists at WADA are not sitting on their butts.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Hahahahaha

Ok, a pretty hilarious "study." Shades of Armstrong/Coyle all over again.

http://www.fietsica.be/Grand_Tour_Champions.pdf

Grand Tour Winner study population:
Indurain, TdF 94 and 95
Contator, TdF 2009
Hesjedahl, Giro 2012
Froome, TdF 2012, 13
Horner, Vuelta 2013.


Drops the marginal gains excuse and calls it inconclusive. Veloclinic does it again and highlights some problems beyond my limited understanding of the quantifications.

http://veloclinic.tumblr.com/post/79743121690/study-froome-clean-capable-of-sustaining-1228-watts

Froome's performance must be creating PR problems. I have to wonder who paid for the study.

 

[DirtyWorks]

But the scientists at WADA are not sitting on their butts.

Robbie,

An important organizational point is that National Anti-doping authority has no authority to open cases. So as much as the APMU can catch some suspicious results, it's up to the sports federation or the race promoter to open cases. And guess what? They don't, and they are not required to open cases.

Please don't take my word for it. I encourage you to check out WADA's standards.

 

[King Boonen]

I think I'm converted

 

[Scott SoCal]

Ok, a pretty hilarious "study." Shades of Armstrong/Coyle all over again.

http://www.fietsica.be/Grand_Tour_Champions.pdf

Grand Tour Winner study population:
Indurain, TdF 94 and 95
Contator, TdF 2009
Hesjedahl, Giro 2012
Froome, TdF 2012, 13
Horner, Vuelta 2013.


Drops the marginal gains excuse and calls it inconclusive. Veloclinic does it again and highlights some problems beyond my limited understanding of the quantifications.

http://veloclinic.tumblr.com/post/79743121690/study-froome-clean-capable-of-sustaining-1228-watts

Froome's performance must be creating PR problems. I have to wonder who paid for the study.

Reading the study.... Interesting until I ran into this; "According to Andrew Coggan".

Froome able to produce 1200+ watts for two minutes.... Uh huh. Guess that shoots down his claimed weight of 67 kilos.

Clean as a whistle.

 

[Benotti69]

While most of the top cyclists spend time at some stage over the winter in sports sciene labs doing tests, Froome hasn't bothered. Even though DB promised to release his Vo2Max as soon as they got Froome into the lab.

Another cyclist was asked for his Vo2Max to prove his performance was clean and refused.

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/6...ghlights-jump-in-form-for-Tour-de-France.aspx

History repeats itself and in cycling so often it is unreal.

 

[happychappy]

We've all seen Froome-Dawg ride; he ain't got that kinda rhythm

 

[Dear Wiggo]

DB said they will VO2max test Froome next time he is in the lab.

lol at searching for something on google and finding something else that blows your mind. ahem.

anyway.

@vayerism We want clarity too. And we do not use Vo2 max. Never have. I am leaving this dialogue. Thanks again.

https://twitter.com/franmillar/status/446699762017107969

But now we’re doing lab testing periodically every six weeks and we do a threshold test that lasts about an hour. It ramps up and they take lactate levels, we’re doing acclimatisation work, which I didn’t do last year. So everything is tested and recorded so we know exactly where I am. We did one recently and my lactate levels were ridiculously low for a given power, which was 475 watts, and that is evidence. We’ve got this data to back it up so you go out into the field feeling confident. So the doubts aren’t there. I’ve never done that in the past.

When Tim came to me he said: “We need some data on you. When did you last lab test?” I’d not done a lab test. I’d never done a Vo2 Max test. Tim’s compiled all this data. We’re on Training Peaks so every ride I do, everything is monitored. The impact that’s had on me is important.

http://www.cyclesportmag.com/news-and-comment/wiggins-and-sky-a-different-route-to-the-tour/

It's clearly open to interpretation, but Kerrison asks for data, and the VO2max test is mentioned. Then he finishes by saying Kerrison compiled all this data. My take is he did a VO2 max test.

If it was only a threshold test, "all this data" would seem overly descriptive for one test value.

A full physiological workup would include a VO2 max test, as well as a ramp test as described above ("threshold test").

So much for team BC being scientific - Wiggo says he had never done a lab test, nor a VO2 max test.


The reason Froome has not done a VO2 max test is he hasn't been in the lab!!!

Digger: So froome hasn't been in a Lab since July!
Fran Miller: why is this so crazy to you? We have spoken extensively across all media about how we monitor the performance of our athletes

https://twitter.com/Digger_forum/status/446706317638795264

Yet Kerrison is the same physiologist, and had Wiggo in the lab every 6 weeks, apparently.

 

[zlev11]

Ok, a pretty hilarious "study." Shades of Armstrong/Coyle all over again.

http://www.fietsica.be/Grand_Tour_Champions.pdf

Grand Tour Winner study population:
Indurain, TdF 94 and 95
Contator, TdF 2009
Hesjedahl, Giro 2012
Froome, TdF 2012, 13
Horner, Vuelta 2013.

and they couldn't even spell "Hesjedal" correctly