Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[DirtyWorks]

Now, none of the above may apply to Froome if he had some sort of super infection, but her totally dismissive reaction to my question was telling to me.

Again, I agree.

The response was more to preempt the denier trying to fashion some kind of way to wiggle out of the overwhelming facts to fashion a new version of 'disease transforms athlete.' Like this: http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1428899&postcount=9407

 

[Justinr]

I'll play this along. Links?

Duly supplied:

http://www.cartercenter.org/health/Schistosomiasis/index.html

Search for annual, you'll find it says "The donated drug praziquantel can reverse up to 90 percent of the damage caused by the parasite. Schistosomiasis can be controlled and treated easily with a single annual dose of praziquantel."

Thats a quick 10 minute look - as its a Friday night here give me the weekend to look back at the webpages I have been reading to find it. I think thats fair...

 

[Justinr]

Originally Posted by ferryman
Now, none of the above may apply to Froome if he had some sort of super infection, but her totally dismissive reaction to my question was telling to me.

Well, given that there are many strains of Bil that infect and affect many people in many different ways she cannot make that 'dismissive' reaction that he is talking BS and assume it applies to everyone with Bil.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Well, given that there are many strains of Bil that infect and affect many people in many different ways she cannot make that 'dismissive' reaction that he is talking BS and assume it applies to everyone with Bil.

Except the drugs kill the worms, regardless. So she can.

 

[Justinr]

Except the drugs kill the worms, regardless. So she can.

Well not according to the many medical websites I found without too much trouble. Again it is the whole "pick an example and use it to your advantage" scenario (on both sides - I'll admit that).

 

[ScienceIsCool]

Well not according to the many medical websites I found without too much trouble. Again it is the whole "pick an example and use it to your advantage" scenario (on both sides - I'll admit that).

Calling you out. You're full of sh!t. I posted a good link from the NIH explaining the full pathology of the disease and treatment.

John Swanson

 

[Justinr]

Calling you out. You're full of sh!t. I posted a good link from the NIH explaining the full pathology of the disease and treatment.

John Swanson

I can and will post websites that call out hers by proving that a one time treatment doesnt always work.

In the meantime I'll ask you to look at something - Ankylosing Spondilytis. Please tell me what it is, what the symptoms are, and how it is treated.

 

[The Hitch]

Duly supplied:

http://www.cartercenter.org/health/Schistosomiasis/index.html

Search for annual, you'll find it says "The donated drug praziquantel can reverse up to 90 percent of the damage caused by the parasite. Schistosomiasis can be controlled and treated easily with a single annual dose of praziquantel."

Thats a quick 10 minute look - as its a Friday night here give me the weekend to look back at the webpages I have been reading to find it. I think thats fair...

beautiful

Big trap catches big rat.

As expected you gave the carter centre. And accompanied by a boast about how easy it was.

If you had spent more than 10 mins, or if you had checked through the previous discussions on this forum, you might have figured out that the carter centre is an organization that deals with people who live in areas where diseases like bilharzia are rife.

Meaning that they are talking about people who are at constant risk of being reinfected. Their advice is you could have noticed if you read on, therefore directed at people who may get bilharzia again any day of the week. The annual dose is administered in case of reinfection and does not apply to people living outside of endemic zones e.g. in Europe.

The same mistake may have been made by sky 2 years ago. Did a 10 minute search on bilharzia, found a source that said annual treatment Is required without checking it thoroughly and went with it.

 

[BYOP88]

I can and will post websites that call out hers by proving that a one time treatment doesnt always work.

In the meantime I'll ask you to look at something - Ankylosing Spondilytis. Please tell me what it is, what the symptoms are, and how it is treated.

Wait, so Froome now has Ankylosing Spondilytis too?

 

[BYOP88]

beautiful

Big trap catches big rat.

As expected you gave the carter centre. And accompanied by a boast about how easy it was.

If you had spent more than 10 mins, or if you had checked through the previous discussions on this forum, you might have figured out that the carter centre is an organization that deals with people who live in areas where diseases like bilharzia are rife.

Meaning that they are talking about people who are at constant risk of being reinfected. Their advice is you could have noticed if you read on, therefore directed at people who may get bilharzia again any day of the week. The annual dose is administered in case of reinfection and does not apply to people living outside of endemic zones e.g. in Europe.

The same mistake may have been made by sky 2 years ago. Did a 10 minute search on bilharzia, found a source that said annual treatment Is required without checking it thoroughly and went with it.

Yet Froome says he needs to be checked out every 6 months. Seems the dude has the worst case of Badzilla ever recorded in the history of the world.

 

[peloton]

I was also quite open about not knowing much about that Barloworld team.

I happen to believe what i believe (and i have said this a number of times) because of what Brailsford and co did with track cycling. Now i know that will no doubt have people posting all sorts of comments about me, but go ahead i dont care. DB declared his ambition to pull together a team to win the TdF in a clean manner with a clean rider. I believe in their aims and that they are sincere about it, and also that life isnt one big conspiracy theory.

Sorry if you dont like that but its my right to have that view.

Nothing wrong with that Justin, many of us believed in miracles too.

 

[thehog]

Yet Froome says he needs to be checked out every 6 months. Seems the dude has the worst case of Badzilla ever recorded in the history of the world.

Well apparently since January he's now cured for life! At the same time he headed back to SA for a training stint

 

[The Hitch]

I can only reply as I have before. My sister in law is South African with a medical background. She literally rolled her eyes when I mentioned this, it is so common. Her words, you get it, you get A pill, you get cured. Unless, her words again, you are stupid enough to go swimming in the same place again.

Now, none of the above may apply to Froome if he had some sort of super infection, but her totally dismissive reaction to my question was telling to me.

Yep, froome could have got superbilharzia. But according to the person who pointed out the inconsistencies, a heavy worm burden is highly inconsistent with him riding around Europe doing pro races. And he should not have gotten anywhere near podiuming the vuelta if his bilharzia was that serious.

 

[Justinr]

beautiful

Big trap catches big rat.

As expected you gave the carter centre. And accompanied by a boast about how easy it was.

If you had spent more than 10 mins, or if you had checked through the previous discussions on this forum, you might have figured out that the carter centre is an organization that deals with people who live in areas where diseases like bilharzia are rife.

Meaning that they are talking about people who are at constant risk of being reinfected. Their advice is you could have noticed if you read on, therefore directed at people who may get bilharzia again any day of the week. The annual dose is administered in case of reinfection and does not apply to people living outside of endemic zones e.g. in Europe.

The same mistake may have been made by sky 2 years ago. Did a 10 minute search on bilharzia, found a source that said annual treatment Is required without checking it thoroughly and went with it.

Well as I said it was a 10 minute check (i did some others a few nights ago very late that I said I would look up). I have no idea either way about the carter centre but just because you post "as expected it was the carter center" means nothing. Who are you to determine the voracity of that or any other website??

As I have said on MANY MANY occasions you can take any info and bend it to your way of thinking. You and others have said something based on this and that, I have posted a quick response that contradicts it. I never said it was right, I just pointed out that what you draw on is not the only research / evidence. And its not the first time.

 

[DirtyWorks]

I happen to believe what i believe (and i have said this a number of times) because of what Brailsford and co did with track cycling.

And therefore not open to facts that weaken your beliefs? A simple yes or no will suffice.

It's one thing to get interested in cycling, start participating in Internet forums and learning along the way the UCI is, by design, stumbling from one doping controversy to the next, corrupted at the top and then modifying your interests/opinions accordingly. It is another to fight to hang onto your misconceptions.

Life is too short for the latter.

 

[thehog]

Yep, froome could have got superbilharzia. But according to the person who pointed out the inconsistencies, a heavy worm burden is highly inconsistent with him riding around Europe doing pro races. And he should not have gotten anywhere near podiuming the vuelta if his bilharzia was that serious.

As Jobs said. You can only connect the dots looking backwards.

That was always my take. If so serious ie that he had it for 3 years, then he wouldn't be on bike let only competing the Tour in 2009z

To be fair on Armstrong he was coughing up blood when he withdraw from San Sebastian in '96 (correct the race if not correct).

 

[The Hitch]

Well as I said it was a 10 minute check (i did some others a few nights ago very late that I said I would look up). I have no idea either way about the carter centre but just because you post "as expected it was the carter center" means nothing. Who are you to determine the voracity of that or any other website??

As I have said on MANY MANY occasions you can take any info and bend it to your way of thinking. You and others have said something based on this and that, I have posted a quick response that contradicts it. I never said it was right, I just pointed out that what you draw on is not the only research / evidence. And its not the first time.

Nope.

We are right and you are wrong. That's all there is to it. We are not bending anything. We have shown the facts and they all point to what we say.

You have nothing. You have failed to offer any evidence to back up your theory and now you retreat to a cowardly - who knows who is right, trench.

We know. We are right. You are wrong. The end.

 

[DirtyWorks]

I have posted a quick response that contradicts it.

With the implied assumption it discredits the argument.

I never said it was right, I just pointed out that what you draw on is not the only research / evidence. And its not the first time.

Your argument is false, yet you are trying to fashion a way to salvage a false point of fact as a valid criticism.

Nope. Nope. Nope. Froome's story cannot include 'illness transforms athlete to world-beating champion.'

Just accept you got that one wrong.

 

[Justinr]

And therefore not open to facts that weaken your beliefs? A simple yes or no will suffice.

It's one thing to get interested in cycling, start participating in Internet forums and learning along the way the UCI is, by design, stumbling from one doping controversy to the next, corrupted at the top and then modifying your interests/opinions accordingly. It is another to fight to hang onto your misconceptions.

Life is too short for the latter.

Well if I want to participate in forums that is my right - they're open to all.

You posted this reply off the back of me making a comment about BC. I believe in BC and their aims. No doubt you will say that BC and the Olympic team were doping.

Well, if doping makes such a massive change to performance why the hell did they spend hundreds of thousands of $ with bike manufacturers, F1 windtunnels, etc.

Why not just dope them to the gills and go for it. Please explain....

 

[Netserk]

Well if I want to participate in forums that is my right - they're open to all.

You posted this reply off the back of me making a comment about BC. I believe in BC and their aims. No doubt you will say that BC and the Olympic team were doping.

Well, if doping makes such a massive change to performance why the hell did they spend hundreds of thousands of $ with bike manufacturers, F1 windtunnels, etc.

Why not just dope them to the gills and go for it. Please explain....

Yes, you obviously can't do both...

 

[Digger]

Well if I want to participate in forums that is my right - they're open to all.

You posted this reply off the back of me making a comment about BC. I believe in BC and their aims. No doubt you will say that BC and the Olympic team were doping.

Well, if doping makes such a massive change to performance why the hell did they spend hundreds of thousands of $ with bike manufacturers, F1 windtunnels, etc.

Why not just dope them to the gills and go for it. Please explain....

- so anyone who dopes doesn't also train hard or have the best equipment?
Rasmussen ring a bell?
Lance ring a bell?
They spent quarter of a mill on developing a TT bike for him...he ditched it.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Well, if doping makes such a massive change to performance why the hell did they spend hundreds of thousands of $ with bike manufacturers, F1 windtunnels, etc.

Except Froome didn't get no stinking F1 wind tunnels till 2013.

Right?

 

[Justinr]

Nope.

We are right and you are wrong. That's all there is to it. We are not bending anything. We have shown the facts and they all point to what we say.

You have nothing. You have failed to offer any evidence to back up your theory and now you retreat to a cowardly - who knows who is right, trench.

We know. We are right. You are wrong. The end.

"We have shown the facts and they all point to what we say."

What facts? What do they point to? All you can post (and anyone on here that says SKY are not clean) is supposition or at best circumstantial evidence. You cant prove they are dirty any more than I (or others) can prove they are clean, so stop playing the stupid game and assuming you are right.

Declaring you are right means nothing.

 

[Digger]

Except Froome didn't get no stinking F1 wind tunnels till 2013.

Right?

or lab!!!!

Imagine that though...marginal gains my ***

 

[Dear Wiggo]

"We have shown the facts and they all point to what we say."

What facts? What do they point to? All you can post (and anyone on here that says SKY are not clean) is supposition or at best circumstantial evidence. You cant prove they are dirty any more than I (or others) can prove they are clean, so stop playing the stupid game and assuming you are right.

Declaring you are right means nothing.

He's talking only about Blizharia, its effects and its cure and nothing to do with doping, and you should know that given your own posts about the subject to which he is responding.

Goodness.