Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[Dear Wiggo]

And at the risk of getting howled at by Froome devotees:

If someone says, "more than 80," they have forgotten, despite WCC keeping records, etc.

Why don't they ask WCC for the figure? You know, journos and stuff?

If he was nearly 90, the Frenchy would have said that, rather than "more than 80." He's being polite without lying outright.

I'm guessing it was under 85ml/kg/min (which would have been "well over 80" - "beaucoup plus de").

 

[Mish_C]

I love how you immediately assume that over 80 must mean 80.1 FML... you guys are pathetic.

Just because Dave B didn't know that he was tested at the UCI centre now you're ****ed off that he was??? Or are you just upset that you have been carrying on about something that was public knowledge all along?

You'll always find something to complain about.

 

[thrawn]

I love how you immediately assume that over 80 must mean 80.1 FML... you guys are pathetic.

Just because Dave B didn't know that he was tested at the UCI centre now you're ****ed off that he was??? Or are you just upset that you have been carrying on about something that was public knowledge all along?

You'll always find something to complain about.

So what was the figure?

 

[thehog]

I love how you immediately assume that over 80 must mean 80.1 FML... you guys are pathetic.

Just because Dave B didn't know that he was tested at the UCI centre now you're ****ed off that he was??? Or are you just upset that you have been carrying on about something that was public knowledge all along?

You'll always find something to complain about.

Well the figure does raise an interesting point. Say compared to LeMomd.

And the fact that Froome was going Armstrong speeds up ax3 and for the last 7km of Ventoux.

If he is indeed around 80 then we might have a problem. Because 80 does get you to the top of Ventoux hat quickly. It probably wouldn't even get you to the start line at the Tour.

So something is up here. Care to explain? Or I'd probably delete the tweet. That thing will go viral and Vayer will already be crunching the numbers!

 

[Digger]

http://www.ridemedia.com.au/past-issue/lance-vs-cadel-a-study-of-two-22-year-olds/

 

[deeno1975]

I love how you immediately assume that over 80 must mean 80.1 FML... you guys are pathetic.

Just because Dave B didn't know that he was tested at the UCI centre now you're ****ed off that he was??? Or are you just upset that you have been carrying on about something that was public knowledge all along?

You'll always find something to complain about.

Michelle, you'd better quote the exact figure, otherwise, you may look pathetic, not the posters you are trying to undermine.

Exact figure?

 

[Saint Unix]

Oh look. More inconsistencies from the Sky camp. And they wonder why we find them suspicious?

 

[thehog]

I think it's just dawned on her that the figure is actually really crap for a guy who's meant to be the greatest clean cyclist of all time.

So. What to do? Delete the tweet or leave it and pretend 80 is meant to be something else.

Dum da dum da!

 

[The Hitch]

Yeah I saw that tweet...couple of things...how old again!!

Also go to 3m 30secs of this clip...reconcile it with him having done tests apparently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtIhzY16iy0

Wow.

 

[Digger]

Cadel with a VO2 Max of 87 at 22

 

[Ventoux Boar]

I love how you immediately assume that over 80 must mean 80.1 FML... you guys are pathetic.

Just because Dave B didn't know that he was tested at the UCI centre now you're ****ed off that he was??? Or are you just upset that you have been carrying on about something that was public knowledge all along?

You'll always find something to complain about.

In fairness, some of us can't work paypal.

 

[SundayRider]

Cadel with a VO2 Max of 87 at 22

Interesting article you posted. Lance probably over achieved, Cadel maybe underachieved given his abilities.

 

[LaFlorecita]

I think it's just dawned on her that the figure is actually really crap for a guy who's meant to be the greatest clean cyclist of all time.

So. What to do? Delete the tweet or leave it and pretend 80 is meant to be something else.

Dum da dum da!

Hog you always make me laugh

 

[JohnDev]

From
http://www.ridemedia.com.au/past-issue/lance-vs-cadel-a-study-of-two-22-year-olds/

Although VO2max expressed as litres of oxygen consumed per minute does not change substantially as well-trained endurance athletes become highly trained, body mass can change dramatically and this will influence the VO2max score presented as ml.kg-1.min-1. Lance Armstrong’s Tour de France race weight has been discussed publicly but a definitive number has not been confirmed.

Based only on eye judgement, if 22-23y Froome was >80 , the 2013 TdF Froome with a weight -5 to -8 kg (only looking at pictures) could indeed score one of the highest VO2 max ever read.

P.S. i still think he is doping, but the VO2 witch hunt is ridiculous to say at least

 

[the sceptic]

I think it's just dawned on her that the figure is actually really crap for a guy who's meant to be the greatest clean cyclist of all time.

So. What to do? Delete the tweet or leave it and pretend 80 is meant to be something else.

Dum da dum da!

Lets be fair Hog. Its pretty good for someone who is pushing sprinters and time trialling in sandals.

 

[Netserk]

I love how you immediately assume that over 80 must mean 80.1 FML... you guys are pathetic.

Just because Dave B didn't know that he was tested at the UCI centre now you're ****ed off that he was??? Or are you just upset that you have been carrying on about something that was public knowledge all along?

You'll always find something to complain about.

Where in that article is the exact figure mentioned?

You say it's not? So you admit that the bolded part of your statement is pure BS

 

[Digger]

From
http://www.ridemedia.com.au/past-issue/lance-vs-cadel-a-study-of-two-22-year-olds/



Based only on eye judgement, if 22-23y Froome was >80 , the 2013 TdF Froome with a weight -5 to -8 kg (only looking at pictures) could indeed score one of the highest VO2 max ever read.

P.S. i still think he is doping, but the VO2 witch hunt is ridiculous to say at least

To me the VO2 thing is important for the following...and it's not even Froome's fault that much in fairness. It's Brailsford.
Last year Brailsford said to the journalists, you tell us what we can do...then the journalist asked him for a VO2 max test, as did Grappe and as did Vayer...and lately we have been told that they won't be doing one, just to placate the people, such as myself, on twitter...when in fact, it's people far more important who are looking for it.

Brailsford said they would do it. That's why I am annoyed about it. Don't say to people you tell us what to do, tell people we will do it next time he's in a lab...and then 8mths later, NO.

As regards the figure in the French article...it could be 90...it could be 80.5...that's the point, it should be an exact figure...as it is what good is it...Brailsford is quick to talk about these pseudo scientists...but when we want an exact figure, what do we get?

 

[oldcrank]

I love how you immediately assume that over 80 must mean 80.1 FML... you guys are pathetic.

Just because Dave B didn't know that he was tested at the UCI centre now you're ****ed off that he was??? Or are you just upset that you have been carrying on about something that was public knowledge all along?

You'll always find something to complain about.

Yes, my friend, I think you may be correct in that assumption.
Those whose knowledge of cycling is based largely on twitter
and google will of course be crushed that their "big secret"
was already available online. Hidden in plain sight, as it were.

 

[Netserk]

Does that mean that his FTP is public knowledge, if an article over a year ago wrote that it was above 4 W/kg?

 

[Ventoux Boar]

To me the VO2 thing is important for the following...and it's not even Froome's fault that much in fairness. It's Brailsford.
Last year Brailsford said to the journalists, you tell us what we can do...then the journalist asked him for a VO2 max test, as did Grappe and as did Vayer...and lately we have been told that they won't be doing one, just to placate the people, such as myself, on twitter...when in fact, it's people far more important who are looking for it.

Brailsford said they would do it. That's why I am annoyed about it. Don't say to people you tell us what to do, tell people we will do it next time he's in a lab...and then 8mths later, NO.

We get it. Now it's symbolic. Shame so much credibility was shredded while you came to this realisation. Perhaps if you attempt to engage with people rather than harass them you'd be less annoyed? Just a thought.

As an example of what is possible see the dialogue between Fran Millar and @dimspace.

 

[roundabout]

Does that mean that his FTP is public knowledge, if an article over a year ago wrote that it was above 4 W/kg?

Why would you need an article when you have the actual power file from the Salamanca TT?

 

[Digger]

We get it. Now it's symbolic. Shame so much credibility was shredded while you came to this realisation. Perhaps if you attempt to engage with people rather than harass them you'd be less annoyed? Just a thought.

As an example of what is possible see the dialogue between Fran Millar and @dimspace.

Perhaps you should wake up...just a thought.

 

[Digger]

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/features/?id=2003/ais_juniors_get_ready

give you an idea just how fit elite cyclists are (and also what great genes they have), an average score for a person of good fitness is between 45.2 to 50.9 ml/kg/min. Most professional cyclists have VO2max values over 75; Bradley McGee has an incredible VO2max of 89 - and Will Walker recently recorded a VO2 of 94, which is simply astounding.


I really wouldn't be tweeting that French article as evidence of a great talent.

 

[More Strides than Rides]

We get it. Now it's symbolic. Shame so much credibility was shredded while you came to this realisation. Perhaps if you attempt to engage with people rather than harass them you'd be less annoyed? Just a thought.

As an example of what is possible see the dialogue between Fran Millar and @dimspace.

? I agree with Digger. The number isn't important, it is the inconsitancy and contempt for transparency that is frustrating.

Other posters want proof of doping to indict sky, but the more inconsistancies that come forward, the more our skepticism is justified and solidified.

 

[roundabout]

A VO2 max over 80 at that stage of his career is a sign of talent.