Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[TailWindHome]

I agree Jimmy, I also like to go direct to the horse's mouth:
http://velovoices.com/2013/06/07/friday-feature-chris-froome-interview-part-2/



Bottom to top, I will let others do the math.

There seems to be a discrepancy

32 mins?

 

[Ventoux Boar]

I find it funny as well. Talk to an italian and its doping is mentioned in passing. Matter of fact. Why of course?

Talk to a Brit and they want to punch your face in if you mention doping.

Which is odd because coming from a country whereby its football (soccer) has been banned from Europe for violence and its player are regularly involved in drug & sex scandals of all sorts.

Let's take your country out for a kicking next. Where are you from thehog?

 

[rhubroma]

And our hooligan element has mostly been eliminated from the terraces, unlike in Italy, where the Ultras regularly still run amok and actually weild degrees of power within the clubs.

And what does Italy's Ultras' shame have anything to do with how it would be unimaginable for a Belgian, or Spanish or Italian "Team Sky" to come into cycling proclaiming to be the new paradigm of transparency, wholesomeness and fair play. Look mine wasn?t coming from any sense of moral superiority, but a realism (some would say cynicism) that in cases like these is simply wise.

I think what people who have followed the sport for years find so annoying is playing up to a certain national belief in British forthrightness and moral superiority, as anecdote to the corrupted Continental sport.

Perhaps I'm wrong though from the marketing perspective the "clean image" of the stereotype, as well as the corporate financing Sky invests in the sport, seems like the perfect sales point.

At the same time look at another big sponsorship coming from a certain Kazakhstan, though we don't hear all the propaganda surrounding that for good reasons. Yet both compete in the same peloton.

 

[the sceptic]

Its obvious that brits get upset when their sporting heroes get accused of doping. Just look at how many british posters have showed up here to defend sky over the last 2+ years.

 

[BYOP88]

Its obvious that brits get upset when their sporting heroes get accused of doping. Just look at how many british posters have showed up here to defend sky over the last 2+ years.

Also look at some of ones who were here from the start they had no problems throwing stuff at non-British riders.

 

[Ventoux Boar]

Pretty amazing that this kind of abysmal casual bigotry finds a home on a cycling forum

 

[TailWindHome]

This isn't clever and that's probably intentional.

If he had the power output described, then he would have simply ridden everyone off his wheel, every race, until perhaps a monument or a grand tour where he'd be giving the very best a proper beating. This would have happened in the years before the mysterious 2011 transformation.

Instead, we get still more inconsistencies.

Really not trying to 'not clever' here.

What time on the Madone represents the boundary between 'possible' clean and 'must be doping'?

Merckxindex quotes 6.3w/kg - what time would that equate to for a 67kg rider?

 

[thehog]

Really not trying to 'not clever' here.

What time on the Madone represents the boundary between 'possible' clean and 'must be doping'?

Merckxindex quotes 6.3w/kg - what time would that equate to for a 67kg rider?

Who's 67kg?

 

[TailWindHome]

Who's 67kg?

No one in particular

Seems like a middling sort of weight

Wouldn't mind seeing the calc over a range of weights.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Really not trying to 'not clever' here.

What time on the Madone represents the boundary between 'possible' clean and 'must be doping'?

Merckxindex quotes 6.3w/kg - what time would that equate to for a 67kg rider?

Vertical m = 920
Average: 7% (?)
VAM = 1700 m/h

----> t = 32.5 minutes

I think

 

[DirtyWorks]

Really not trying to 'not clever' here.

What time on the Madone represents the boundary between 'possible' clean and 'must be doping'?

Merckxindex quotes 6.3w/kg - what time would that equate to for a 67kg rider?

So... You are just going to ignore the real world displays/consequences of his power and concentrate on some numbers? The numbers are a distraction.

 

[the sceptic]

Gotta wonder if Dawg is saying this now to prepare everyone for what is to come.. like Brailsfords clean rider theorem last year.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

There seems to be a discrepancy

32 mins?

Good observation.

As in a lot of cases Team Sky are again full of sh!t. Maybe someone should open a topic on the lies/bending of truth Team Sky try to sell the 'easy cycling fan'.

 

[thehog]

I agree Jimmy, I also like to go direct to the horse's mouth:
http://velovoices.com/2013/06/07/friday-feature-chris-froome-interview-part-2/



Bottom to top, I will let others do the math.

Bottom to top. 32 minutes.

 

[Benotti69]

Gotta wonder if Dawg is saying this now to prepare everyone for what is to come.. like Brailsfords clean rider theorem last year.

I thought this was obvious.

 

[Benotti69]

Let's take your country out for a kicking next. Where are you from thehog?

Pretty amazing that this kind of abysmal casual bigotry finds a home on a cycling forum

Offering to kick another country and then calling out Bigotry!!!!!!

Why feed the flames?

 

[JimmyFingers]

And what does Italy's Ultras' shame have anything to do with how it would be unimaginable for a Belgian, or Spanish or Italian "Team Sky" to come into cycling proclaiming to be the new paradigm of transparency, wholesomeness and fair play. Look mine wasn?t coming from any sense of moral superiority, but a realism (some would say cynicism) that in cases like these is simply wise.

I think what people who have followed the sport for years find so annoying is playing up to a certain national belief in British forthrightness and moral superiority, as anecdote to the corrupted Continental sport.

Perhaps I'm wrong though from the marketing perspective the "clean image" of the stereotype, as well as the corporate financing Sky invests in the sport, seems like the perfect sales point.

At the same time look at another big sponsorship coming from a certain Kazakhstan, though we don't hear all the propaganda surrounding that for good reasons. Yet both compete in the same peloton.

Are you serious bro? You going to take a quote out of context and throw a huge strawman at me? I said nothing at all like this, did I? Where do you even get this from? Its bizarre. Hoggo threw up a British stereotype of aggressive hooligan against a knowledgeable Italian and I challenged that stereotype, nothing more. All the white noise you just spewed out was all in your own head, not mine.

I'm really very tired of being completely miss-represented in my motives, my support, my personality. Stop speaking for me.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Sorry but when was the last time a British person wanted to punch you in the face for talking about doping, and if they did want to, are you sure they wanted to because you were talking about doping and not because you were purposely trying to wind them up? I just want examples of British people threatening you with violence for talking about doping, not just some generalised, throwaway accusation.

Froome got spat on 15 times on the Mt Ventoux, wonder which nationalities got involved there?

And our hooligan element has mostly been eliminated from the terraces, unlike in Italy, where the Ultras regularly still run amok and actually weild degrees of power within the clubs.

There are skeletons in every cupboard.

No answer to this then.

 

[sniper]

No answer to this then.

it speaks volumes that youre even bothering to defend brits and britain
i,m from the lowlands, and i couldnt care less if anybody on here were saying nasty things about belkin or dutch people. Wouldnt spend a single post defending the netherlands agaknst insults, at least not in here in the clinic.
the fact that you and some other posters on here care so much and feel so offended speaks volumes, imo.

 

[Hawkwood]

it speaks volumes that youre even bothering to defend brits and britain
i,m from the lowlands, and i couldnt care less if anybody on here were saying nasty things about belkin or dutch people. Wouldnt spend a single post defending the netherlands agaknst insults, at least not in here in the clinic.
the fact that you and some other posters on here care so much and feel so offended speaks volumes, imo.

Speaks volumes about what exactly?

 

[ScienceIsCool]

Bahamontes. Lucho Herrera. These are examples of pure climbers that couldn't have doped with oxygen vector products (i.e., EPO). Let's compare Froome to these men, shall we?

Right. Eff-ing ridiculous. Please, everyone. Froome is doping and doping *hard*.

John Swanson

 

[ferryman]

Speaks volumes about what exactly?

That the perception of a lot of posters in the Clinic have taken the view that a lot of Sky defenders have Union Jack blinkers on when it comes to Brit riders and the fact that they are almost certainly doping. There is nothing here that they/we haven't been through before, with, I suspect the same messy ending.

But you didn't need me to spell that out for you.

 

[Parker]

Bahamontes. Lucho Herrera. These are examples of pure climbers that couldn't have doped with oxygen vector products (i.e., EPO). Let's compare Froome to these men, shall we?

Right. Eff-ing ridiculous. Please, everyone. Froome is doping and doping *hard*.

John Swanson

Go on then. Compare Froome to Bahamontes. Actual specifics please. Because I'm guessing you've seen no more than a total of a minute of old footage of Bahamontes.

Do you really think that sport hasn't changed in fifty years and that such comparisons mean anything? It's like comparing an AM radio with Spotify.

 

[sittingbison]

listen up gentle(wo)men,

the nationality baiting/bashing is completely unacceptable and is stopping right now. Please desist from making such comments AND from responding as well. It wont end well for you...

If you think another poster is singling you out due to your nationality, report them.


cheers
bison

 

[lemoogle]

Good observation.

As in a lot of cases Team Sky are again full of sh!t. Maybe someone should open a topic on the lies/bending of truth Team Sky try to sell the 'easy cycling fan'.

I think what it tells the most is that when sky/froome made this 32 minute time up, they probably had to sit down and discuss, what seems like a reasonable time we can tell the press? i.e. 32 minutes is actually what sky considers to be a clean time , based on THEMSELVES because that's what they chose to lie with.