Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[SundayRider]

Doesn't matter if they stick out or not. If you have a reason or explanation for those values then you're fine.

Sickness and visits to altitude discount those "spikes".

ie Badzhilla and Tiede.

What about 'altitude natives' though ?

 

[Libertine Seguros]

What about 'altitude natives' though ?

Like Rob Hayles? He got away with a >50% hct based on a "naturally elevated level". At least with guys from places like Mexico and Colombia using the "altitude natives" argument sounds vaguely plausible.

 

[Winterfold]

I recall reading on one of the power data geek sites ( linked to here in A critical Power thread) Froome's extra performance last year was down to having extra anaerobic work capacity on top of a high FTP - so had beat Cntador not by having a stack more W/kg at threshold but by having a large AWC to dig into for attacks.

I'm not sure how credible the data was but That would seem entirely consistent with what we saw today.

How you train up your AWC I have little idea, mine doesn't seem to shift no matter how much my anaerobic power PBS increase - and how you would dope it even less - but I am sure someone somewhere will know...

 

[Catwhoorg]

I can't answer the Tiede bit, and I'm not an expert on altitude training and how effective it is (other than feeling knackered and a bit dizzy when I ski), but surely if it was blood based then the pre-Vuelta increase would stick out like a sore thumb? Esp compared with prior years?

Like someone said - to super respond you'd need to go from 40% to 50%, not 46% to 50% (or similar). And if it was that easy to muck around with the passport by going to altitude (and back) wouldn't everyone have done it years ago?

Top is HCT%
Bottom is Ret%

That's what never tested positive/not flagged on the passport looks like for a recent GT winner.

(Green +/- 1SD, Red +/- 3 SD)

 

[mewmewmew13]

Tactically froome was an absolute joke today.

One of the worst tactical performances I have ever seen, if not number 1.

Towed everyone the whole climb and closed down any attack himself. On 6% that gives a huge advantage to your opponents.

Walsh saying sky win because of tactics is one of his worst contradictions. Not one you can easily demonstrate to the average cycling fan and not one that would constitute "proof" in court, but if you blank out the jersey sponsors and faces, show that clip to 1000 people who have watched or participated in cycling for the last 10 years and asked who was tactically poor, all 1000 will tell you the big bug like silhouette must be that of someone who has probably never ridden a race before.

wonderful turn of phrase hitchey

 

[thehog]

What about 'altitude natives' though ?

Yes, pseudo science anyone?

Funny enough the algorithm in the passport computer does account for altitude natives. Apparently

http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoo...d-biking/What-is-the-Biological-Passport.html

 

[Digger]

As Hitch said above, it was pathetic from Froome in terms of tactics...and it's been that way for two years - he's just so much stronger than everyone it doesn't matter what he does.
And this is meant to be him with better tactics - the only way it could be any worse is if he ride backwards and forwards every ten miles.

 

[Nathan12]

I recall reading on one of the power data geek sites ( linked to here in A critical Power thread) Froome's extra performance last year was down to having extra anaerobic work capacity on top of a high FTP - so had beat Cntador not by having a stack more W/kg at threshold but by having a large AWC to dig into for attacks.

I'm not sure how credible the data was but That would seem entirely consistent with what we saw today.

How you train up your AWC I have little idea, mine doesn't seem to shift no matter how much my anaerobic power PBS increase - and how you would dope it even less - but I am sure someone somewhere will know...

Is there a drug that's super-effective at breaking down lactic acid?

 

[froooome]

Could be. To be clear I don't mean to discount the possibility that there are new substances. I think it's clear that AICAR or some other such effective fat-burning method is in use by many, not just Sky. I think whatever was happening the delta between anything Sky may have been doing and others has been reduced.

So I'm not sure it explains his dominance, but rather is just a component. And maybe it's just as you say.

Don't know, but it doesn't have to be a magical "Sky only" or "Froome only" drug or method to explain why he's gone from anonymity to unbeatable.

If we assume that every GT contenders are on juice, who has the right to win? Rather young and stylish and humble super responder Quintana, who has used PEDs since teenage, than super responder Froome because he's, well, Froome i.e. ugly, arrogant, stupid and unstylish

 

[oldcrank]

If you watch the stage closely you might pick up
where Froomey goes on the radio and makes a
request for the last couple of kilometres:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hEfcawx6Fc

 

[BYOP88]

If we assume that every GT contenders are on juice, who has the right to win? Rather young and stylish and humble super responder Quintana, who has used PEDs since teenage, than super responder Froome because he's, well, Froome i.e. ugly, arrogant, stupid and unstylish

I didn't realize that Quintana was from a rich family.

 

[Winterfold]

If we assume that every GT contenders are on juice, who has the right to win? Rather young and stylish and humble super responder Quintana, who has used PEDs since teenage, than super responder Froome because he's, well, Froome i.e. ugly, arrogant, stupid and unstylish

Sounds about right

 

[bewildered]

CyclingFlash ‏@CyclingFlash 9m

Why did Chris Froome use an inhaler on today's stage? - https://i.imgflip.com/9g4mr.gif #Dauphine

 

[MartinGT]

Doesnt he need a TUE for that?

 

[Catwhoorg]

Assuming its Salbutamol, then yes.

 

[chrisb]

Doesnt he need a TUE for that?

hang on a ****ing second.

This skinny bean pole needs an inhaler, yet can attack, drag back, attack, drag back then attack as if he was a motogp bike up an Hors Category climb??

Seriously, this is now worse than Armstrongs era.........

 

[thehog]

Doesnt he need a TUE for that?

Said he has none. For last years Tour at least.

And of course... "I don't know how I could be any cleaner".

 

[Pack Fodder]

Assuming its Salbutamol, then yes.

http://www.ukad.org.uk/resources/document-download/asthma-medications/

Salbutamol

Threshold substance –
maximum 1600
micrograms over 24 hours



1 puff usually equates to 100
micrograms (check you have a 100
microgram inhaler) so the threshold
stated by WADA is the equivalent of
16 puffs in 24 hours.

A TUE* will only be required if using
more than 16 puffs or for use of an
emergency nebuliser (consult UKAD
prior to applying for a TUE in this
situation)

http://www.globaldro.com/uk-en/sear...=1&show=All&search=Salbutamol&newSearch=false

Salbutamol is not prohibited up to a maximum of 1600 micrograms over 24 hours. This threshold is not valid in the presence of diuretics. If you are using a diuretic you must have a Therapeutic Use Exemption to use both the diuretic and salbutamol.

 

[peacefultribe]

Yes, I was thinking something similar. It's not in the blood in the typical way that a PED will show up. I once spoke with a doctor who was on the cutting edge of developing ways in which you can legally enhance athletic performances. It wasn't blood related, and it was back in the late 90s. I wish I had taken notes, and asked more questions.

 

[sniper]

CyclingFlash ‏@CyclingFlash 9m

Why did Chris Froome use an inhaler on today's stage? - https://i.imgflip.com/9g4mr.gif #Dauphine

what does walsh make of this?

 

[thehog]

what does walsh make of this?

Nothing wrong with a quick shot of Xenon before attacking, no?

 

[Saint Unix]

It wouldn't surprise me if that was just a bit of food. Considering how he looks on a bike he might also be a bit lopsided in the way he handles his food.

 

[MartinGT]

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2007/jul/05/cycling.tourdefrance

Hmmm

 

[Pack Fodder]

Michelle Cound ‏@michellecound 1m
@velocast @TourDeJose no TUE required, he has asthma, hence the coughing after exertion #duh #trolls

 

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