Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[Mishrak]

Well yeah, I was kind of wondering, has anyone else ever seen this in major stage race? Not saying it hasn't happened, but I have never, ever seen it. EVER. Maybe it's just me (and Moose)?

I've been watching cycling since 2003 and I've never seen it. Not once. Not a single time have I seen a rider use an inhaler on the bike. That doesn't mean it hasn't happened, certainly, but the camera never caught it and showed it to us that I can recall. It's definitely not common.

 

[Granville57]

I've been watching cycling since 2003 and I've never seen it. Not once. Not a single time have I seen a rider use an inhaler on the bike. That doesn't mean it hasn't happened, certainly, but the camera never caught it and showed it to us that I can recall. It's definitely not common.

Why do you hate asthma so much?

 

[hfer07]

Honestly- this is the very first time ever in my entire life that I've heard of a cyclist using an Inhaler while riding........







I mean - is that even "legal"? How can anyone be sure the so called "inhaler" is only for "Asthma" an not for enhancing performance with an hour's life time effect?

I mean- When the Alien put that big effort trying to drop Contador- did anyone see him pulling his "inhaler" out of his jersey to prevent a possible "exercise-induced "Asthma" episode?

This sh!t is getting just too ridiculous

 

[mroli74]

I've been watching cycling since 2003 and I've never seen it. Not once. Not a single time have I seen a rider use an inhaler on the bike. That doesn't mean it hasn't happened, certainly, but the camera never caught it and showed it to us that I can recall. It's definitely not common.

From @dimspace on twitter:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRnInyTd8b8&feature=player_embedded#t=283

Gent Wevelgem 2014. Adam Yates goes back to the Orica team car and is given a ventolin inhaller (puffer) to take up. He drops it. The Orica team car then drives up and down asking the other cars if they have a spare.

 

[SeriousSam]

If you have great legs, you wait for the right chance and attack, you don't chase down every attack, tow the group and then attack. There is no reason whatsoever to waste the energy.

Froome does it because he has never, since his transformation, actually been challenged and he has no idea how to ride while judiciously using his energy.

The point of all this discussion is as follows. You have a rider in Contador who everyone agrees is on the full sauce this season. Yes? And then you have a rider who can still beat him, wasting energy and using incredibly poor tactics. He has that much energy to burn. No one has ever seen someone ride like this.

The point of all this, and the strong undercurrent of the discussion is that Froome is beating a fully-doped Contador, and doing it while wasting power. What that means is that for one to believe he is clean means that he is riding with as much or maybe more power than we've ever seen, even in the height of the uncontrolled doping era, and claiming constantly that he is clean. His team claim to be clean.

We are trying to get the remaining people who actually believe this to see how absolutely impossible it is. No one can ride like this clean. We've never even seen people ride like this doped. It is a farce to claim cleanliness after putting on displays like he has the past 2+ years.

Great post.

 

[The Hitch]

He wanted to win the stage, so he wants to keep the group together. No one was going to do that for him. And he very obviously had great legs, so no reason to play games.

Have you ever seen cav or kittel or whoever win a bunch sprint by pulling back attackers themselves. No?

Why?

Because the riders in their slipstream would save energy.

Now doing it on 6% isn't as impossible. But it's still ridiculous. Most climbs of that gradient and lengthy on gt stages tend to have all the riders together. Because slipstream is still big.

Froome pulled everyone. Everyone. For 5km. Giving them a far easier ride. How can you not understand why tactically that is weak?

Do you even know why riders attack in the first place rather than just always tt themselves up mountains without a care for who's behind?

It's precisely to stop opponents staying in their slipstream.

If froomes aim was to keep the group together in the and slipstream doesn't exist, why did he attack in the first place.

If one operates under the theory that slipstream isn't a big deal , then attacking becomes a senseless detrimental act since you are wasting a disproportionate amount of energy per time gained.

 

[sniper]

Honestly- this is the very first time ever in my entire life that I've heard of a cyclist using an Inhaler while riding........

I mean - is that even "legal"? How can anyone be sure the so called "inhaler" is only for "Asthma" an not for enhancing performance with an hour life time effect?

+1, if he doesn't even need a TUE, how can there be any supervision of what's inside the inhaler?
Is UCI fully relying on the post-race anti-doping tests?
Not credible

 

[thehog]

I've been watching cycling since 2003 and I've never seen it. Not once. Not a single time have I seen a rider use an inhaler on the bike. That doesn't mean it hasn't happened, certainly, but the camera never caught it and showed it to us that I can recall. It's definitely not common.

There's a good reason for that.

Because it almost impossible to do what Froome did yesterday with his inhaler. Anyone with asthma knows the moment you take a puff is when you're stationary or going very slow, like during a natural break. Nobody with real asthma tries to take a "puff" when they are going full speed in a charging peloton.

Why? Because you have to inhale the contents deep in your lungs and that's hard to do when you're already breathing quickly from exertion. You literally can't get it down and it does nothing at all. You can also drop your pump and cause carnage behind you.

Asthma medication is preventive. You take it before you go cycling or during the opening kilometers. Never before a big exertion as it raises your heart rate.

Many Pros will use their pumps but only before the start and/or in he opening slower portions/feed stops/natural breaks. And that's totally normal.

What Froome did was not normal use of asthma medication hence why he wouldn't tell you which one it was because he knows they are all mostly "preventive" medications.

Froome doesn't have asthma. Simple as that. The guy is young to use every advantage he can get, legal and non-legal.

 

[The Hitch]

Why do you hate asthma so much?

Lol. Missing a rolleyes smiley, but still, you're on fire last few days.

 

[Granville57]

Lol. Missing a rolleyes smiley, but still, you're on fire last few days.

Two shots of espresso with honey will do that.

 

[Mishrak]

Why do you hate asthma so much?

I also hate coffee and sand shoes but that's another discussion.

 

[Franklin]

Asthma medication is preventive. .

No Hog, that's definitely not true. Ventolin/Salbutamol is definitely something you use when you get an attack. Indeed, it's standard procedure for ambulance personel when someone is having asthmatic symptoms.

 

[McLovin]

Someone posts this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRnInyTd8b8&feature=player_embedded#t=283

but in the same time this Einstein is busy to write his dissertation. Funny funny thread.

Because it almost impossible to do what Froome did yesterday with his inhaler. Anyone with asthma knows the moment you take a puff is when you're stationary or going very slow, like during a natural break. Nobody with real asthma tries to take a "puff" when they are going full speed in a charging peloton.
Many Pros will use their pumps but only before the start and/or in he opening slower portions/feed stops/natural breaks. And that's totally normal.

What Froome did was not normal use of asthma medication hence why he wouldn't tell you which one it was because he knows they are all mostly "preventive" medications.

 

[thehog]

No Hog, that's definitely not true. Ventolin/Salbutamol is definitely something you use when you get an attack. Indeed, it's standard procedure for ambulance personel when someone is having asthmatic symptoms.

Again, no. When you have an attack the first thing to do is to "control" your breathing.

Standard procedure for an ambulance is not an asthma pump ever! It's a nebuliser with oxygen mask. Period.

You never force a pump into someone's mouth who having an attack. Ever.

 

[LaFlorecita]

How's that "cough-y," Chris?

Two shots of espresso with honey will do that.

Nice

 

[Franklin]

You are wrong here. Salbutamol as aerosol is an bronchodilator to treat attacks and is to repress acute symptoms. It's NOT intended to be preventive. And yes it is most definitely standard procedure.

Salbutamol in tablet or oil form is indeed preventive. But Aerosol (puffers) are normally used in an attack (as the preventive working is very short indeed).

 

[Catwhoorg]

Again, no. When you have an attack the first thing to do is to "control" your breathing.

Standard procedure for an ambulance is not an asthma pump ever! It's a nebuliser with oxygen mask. Period.

You never force a pump into someone's mouth who having an attack. Ever.

And the drug in the nebuliser is ?

 

[TailWindHome]

http://www.ventolin.com/about-asthma/managing-asthma.html

What to Do During an Asthma Attack
1.Get your VENTOLIN HFA inhaler, remove the cap, and shake the canister well
2.Take 1 puff of VENTOLIN HFA. Wait 1 minute, shake the inhaler again, and take another puff
3.If the asthma symptoms don’t stop within a few minutes, call your healthcare provider. In case of emergency, dial 911

 

[Fzotrlool]

Will Froome become the official spokesperson for the fight against asthma? He could be leader the next Livestrong empire after his career is over.

 

[Franklin]

And the drug in the nebuliser is ?

LMAO... I had to check, but indeed: Salbutamol.

Thanks!

 

[kingjr]

If you have great legs, you wait for the right chance and attack, you don't chase down every attack, tow the group and then attack. There is no reason whatsoever to waste the energy.

Who else would have done the chasing down? You'd be completely right if he had failed in the end, but as it turned out he won the stage quite comfortably and gained time on everyone but Contador(except for the time bonuses)

The point of all this discussion is as follows. You have a rider in Contador who everyone agrees is on the full sauce this season. Yes?

No.

 

[jens_attacks]

http://www.ventolin.com/about-asthma/managing-asthma.html

What to Do During an Asthma Attack

CALL thehog!

fixed for you

 

[rainman]

There's a good reason for that.

Froome doesn't have asthma. Simple as that. The guy is young to use every advantage he can get, legal and non-legal.

This I can believe. But for the rest of his life he's now going to have to pretend he does. Which leaves the question, what was it? His behaviour after was, for a race leader, almost deranged. I've never seen a pro bike rider behave like that.

 

[Netserk]

Why do you hate asthma so much?

Shouldn't it be:

Why do you love asthma so much?

 

[thehog]

LMAO... I had to check, but indeed: Salbutamol.

Thanks!

Of course. So back to my original point. Is you are not inhaling anything going at the speed Froome was or breathing as hard.

If you need an ambulance during an asthma attack you clearly can't take an inhaler. They will use an nebuliser because you can't control you're own breathing.

Stop pretending an ambulance officer would do any different.

I've had enough attacks to know what occurs. You don't ram an inhaler down our throat.