Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[The Hitch]

Don't have to look at those.

Simply look at the long list of stimulants that are illegal IC, but perfectly legal OOC. Many of those are used to assist weightloss.

And only sky know about them and use them?

 

[Catwhoorg]

Not at all.

 

[The Hitch]

Well no one else has yet been able to match epo times with this alleged legal doping. Why are the only 3 people capable of this all at sky?

 

[Afrank]

This is so cool :

Would love to see Wiggins support Froome at The Tour (unlikely to happen either way, I know). But imagine a team with Porte, Henao, Kennaugh, Nieve, Lopez, Wiggins, Thomas, Kyrienka, Froome... nobody, including AC, could attack this.

Then you don't know AC.

 

[sniper]

Don't have to look at those.

Simply look at the long list of stimulants that are illegal IC, but perfectly legal OOC. Many of those are used to assist weightloss.

any idea why froome aims for the 2-3% bodyfat?
contador and nibali apparently don't think that's ideal.
looks as if they're on different cocktails.

 

[Afrank]

any idea why froome aims for the 2-3% bodyfat?
contador and nibali apparently don't think that's ideal.
looks as if they're on different cocktails.

I recall something that Cound said from last year talking about how he had become obsessed with weight loss and that she was worried about it.

Anyone else remember that?

He probably thinks the extremely low weight makes him look good.

edit: Nevermind, I was wrong. It was a twisted spoke article I was remembering.
http://www.atwistedspoke.com/sky-concerned-froome-looking-too-rasmussen/

 

[LaFlorecita]

I recall something that Cound said from last year talking about how he had become obsessed with weight loss and that she was worried about it.

Anyone else remember that?

Hmm can't remember that but may have missed it.

 

[TheMight]

any idea why froome aims for the 2-3% bodyfat?
contador and nibali apparently don't think that's ideal.
looks as if they're on different cocktails.

Should be a mini/max optimization. At some point, cutting weight cut's power output. Perhaps his physiology doesn't have the same power output so cutting weight is his best bet to getting to the power/weight ratio. Presumably all the top guys are doing some sort of Ferrari style testing, looking for max power/weight numbers. The story with Lance and company was that there was a target number Ferrari came up with some how, meet that target and you're done. Maybe Nibali and AC got there with a few more pounds, or maybe they tan better or something and just look healthier.

I've really been trying to keep a clear mind about Sky and give them a fair shake but it's become incredibly difficult, I'll throw this out: dirties for weight loss drugs and weight loss drug masking agents have a radically different perception. It's hard to imagine Sky would let their guy huff up in a race and then be concerned with this type of optics, but Shleck, AC, and Rogers got popped for that kind of stuff and all got off relatively easily and with relatively little public perception damage. If all you need is a little edge, some aids in cutting your guys' weight seem lower risk.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Well no one else has yet been able to match epo times with this alleged legal doping. Why are the only 3 people capable of this all at sky?

I was talking specifically about weight loss.
The maximum you can get, well that depends on how far you want to go.

2-3% body fat to me is too far. Really means by the 3rd week you will have catabolised muscles.

Obviously the Docs at Sky disagree.

 

[Will Carter]

any idea why froome aims for the 2-3% bodyfat?
contador and nibali apparently don't think that's ideal.
looks as if they're on different cocktails.

We don't know Froome is aiming for 2-3%, that's Ferrari's view that they are at that level.

 

[nomapnocompass]

There are lots of weight loss drugs, metabolic modulators than can be used perfectly legally, Liraglutide and Telmisartan spring to mine. I am also certain that thyroid supplementation is being used.

 

[the sceptic]

Beautiful isnt it?

 

[armchairclimber]

Here's a hypothesis. Froome really did have Badzilla. Dr Cheung spots it and prescribes what we know he recommends to others: Badzilla-be-gone and Clear-chest-and-fatburn-metabolic-rocket-booster. Froomey is humble and grateful. The medicine reveals his true potential (or turns him from sap to superman, you decide) and he goes on to become the greatest cyclist ever to mount a bike (whilst popped on steroids).

Maybe Chris doesn't actually know that what he is doing is, de facto, doping. Maybe his indignation is real because he didn't realise that his Badzilla medicine is actually dope.

 

[the sceptic]

Here's a hypothesis. Froome really did have Badzilla. Dr Cheung spots it and prescribes what we know he recommends to others: Badzilla-be-gone and Clear-chest-and-fatburn-metabolic-rocket-booster. Froomey is humble and grateful. The medicine reveals his true potential (or turns him from sap to superman, you decide) and he goes on to become the greatest cyclist ever to mount a bike (whilst popped on steroids).

Maybe Chris doesn't actually know that what he is doing is, de facto, doping. Maybe his indignation is real because he didn't realise that his Badzilla medicine is actually dope.

Horse steroids doesnt turn you into Armstrong overnight. Theres got to be something more to it than that.

 

[Benotti69]

Here's a hypothesis. Froome really did have Badzilla. Dr Cheung spots it and prescribes what we know he recommends to others: Badzilla-be-gone and Clear-chest-and-fatburn-metabolic-rocket-booster. Froomey is humble and grateful. The medicine reveals his true potential (or turns him from sap to superman, you decide) and he goes on to become the greatest cyclist ever to mount a bike (whilst popped on steroids).

Maybe Chris doesn't actually know that what he is doing is, de facto, doping. Maybe his indignation is real because he didn't realise that his Badzilla medicine is actually dope.

If only it was so easy Walsh would've put it in the book.

Nope. Froome is no doubt on a cocktail of PEDs.

 

[veganrob]

If only it was so easy Walsh would've put it in the book.

Nope. Froome is no doubt on a cocktail of PEDs.

And a pretty lethal combination at that. I think his body is finally breaking down from all the dope he has been doing. Can't go on forever.

 

[gatete]

Beautiful isnt it?

Holly crap! Both riders are from cervelo

 

[SundayRider]

I was talking specifically about weight loss.
The maximum you can get, well that depends on how far you want to go.

2-3% body fat to me is too far. Really means by the 3rd week you will have catabolised muscles.

Obviously the Docs at Sky disagree.

Thing is, to me at least, riders don't usually look like they've lost much weight during a GT. Froome looked the same on the podium as he did before the Tour. Maybe Testosterone for example stops you losing muscle over the course of the race?

 

[42x16ss]

Thing is, to me at least, riders don't usually look like they've lost much weight during a GT. Froome looked the same on the podium as he did before the Tour. Maybe Testosterone for example stops you losing muscle over the course of the race?

I remember Andy Schleck saying in an interview that if you look after yourself correctly and eat enough you can actually put on weight during a GT through muscle gain.

I'd take that with a grain of salt though

 

[mrhender]

11 months old interview

http://sports.onlinenigeria.com/foo...s-in-tour-de-france-2013-full-transcript.html

Q: Last year there were criticisms of you that you could have won but didn’t, and that you didn’t have the qualities to be a leader. You proved those critics wrong. This year it’s different, you win but there are other kinds of doubts, doubts about your performance, that doping may be behind it. What plan do you have to answer those critics?

Froome: I mean, I can only be open and say to people, I know within myself that I’ve trained extremely hard to get here. All the results I get I know are my own results, and are the product of determination. It’s really been a long battle for me to get where I am now. I’ve got the support of a fantastic team. All these things coming together. Outside of that, I can’t talk about that; I can’t talk about that other stuff. I know what I’ve done to get here and I’m extremely proud of what I’ve done.

Q: Chris, yesterday you said you were ‘honoured’ by comparison with Lance Armstrong. How can you be honoured with that comparison given he got all his titles with doping?

Froome: I’m not quite sure if I said I was honoured, or I would take it as a compliment in terms of how he won. But I wouldn’t say I was honoured. Obviously Lance won those races but that aside, to compare me with Lance, I mean Lance cheated, I’m not cheating. End of story.
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Yes yes.. I know this has been undergoing thorough "clinic" investagation earlier but for me the key lies and has allways done so right here..

His choice of words is the key..

When confronted in east he answers in north (first bolded)

When confronted with the LA comparison he gives a vague and quite messy reply without answering the question..

Even if he was/is doping -no one could claim that he lied in this interview..
He just provided several inconcrete answers..

I would wish someone would confront him with this and ask him yes/or no questions in a more direct way...

can't even remeber the last time someone even remotely asked him questions like in this interview and this interveiws questions was just as vague as the answers...

Given the recent events and the history of cycling I am really bothered by SKY and Froomes evasive and "huhh didn't you know I had asthma" behavior.....

Any sensible/honest team director would have informed the public about the TUE/asthma medicine forehand -but instead they choosed the "let's hope the won't notice strategy"

SIR Dave Brailford said in the interview that basically it was not his responsibility to provide evidence of a clean Froome/team and said that the media should get together and find out a way so that he without reasonable doubt could be proven innocent... This of course is close to impossible so He's just toying with them (how the hell should they know), especially with the "can't disclosure specific team advantages due to copmpetion" BU......!!!!!

I know this is old stuff... But this is why i detest this SKY team so much..(together with the "we are a transparent team holyness")

 

[Cycle Chic]

Instead, he suggested the World Anti-Doping Agency could be invited in by the team and given full access to all their information.

'They can have everything we've got,' he said. 'They can come and live with us. They can see all of our data, have access to every single training file we've got.

'They can then compare that data on a consistent basis. And they could then tell the world whether they think this is credible or not.'

AND THEN

So, the latest craze is power data. Let’s all generate data and compare data and see if we can interpret anything from that to make it significantly, or obvious beyond reasonable doubt, that we’re doping. One thing people ask is [(or us) to release that data. Which, em, people seem to think that would make a different to the analysis. But I’m not sure that releasing it per se is the right thing to do

Read more: http://sports.onlinenigeria.com/foo...rance-2013-full-transcript.html#ixzz34t826HO2

Thats Brailsford with those comments in the same interview.

 

[mrhender]

AND THEN



Thats Brailsford with those comments in the same interview.

Excactly...

He politician'ed the journalist.. He didn't even know what hit him...
Or worse, it was i little "arrangement" (no proof of this at all, just wondering)

Science says that if you are looking for something specific, you often have a tendency to overlook what really is happening...

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Science says that if you are looking for something specific, you often have a tendensy to overlook what really is happening...

Yes, the basketballers infiltrated by the monkey is a classic example of that.

 

[zalacain]

I was first diagnosed by anaesthetist, I was about to be operated on and he listened to my lungs through a stethoscope, he looked a bit disturbed and asked was I aware that I was asthmatic? I was given salbutamol immediately, and the inhaler was taped to my wrist. The give away in my case was the wheezing sound coming from my airways, at that time my peak flow was very good. The very tight chest feeling coupled with breathing problems I'd had for years was immediately explained.

I discovered I had asthma (due to summer allergies) when using a body mike and the sound engineer said "What the feck's that noise?
The sound of me struggling to breathe out was, my doc told me, the result of asthma'

 

[Hawkwood]

I discovered I had asthma (due to summer allergies) when using a body mike and the sound engineer said "What the feck's that noise?
The sound of me struggling to breathe out was, my doc told me, the result of asthma'

My sister discovered she was asthmatic when she collapsed and woke up in hospital, her peak flow was in the 100-150 I think, she was there for a week. She'd been stripping old wallpaper, and it had black mold underneath it, this was probably the trigger.