Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[the sceptic]

these are his specialities?

Medicine and Sports Traumatology
Physiology of Exercise
Test of effort
Physical performance tests
(lactates, Bosco, Wingate, Load Speed)
Functional respiratory exploration
Test to hypoxia
Hypoxic training
Lodges Pressure Measurement Muscle
Treatment by injection of autologous platelet concentrate (growth factors)
Therapy extracorporeal shock wave

what?

 

[Catwhoorg]

these are his specialities?


what?

PRP

Platelet Rich Plasma injections

Been a think for a few years, the balance on unbiased evidence suggests it doesn't actually do anything to promote healing.

Lots of people getting rich doing it, sometimes even as a cosmetic procedure.

 

[Benotti69]

Indeed Dr Bermon is a specialist of VO2max testing at IM2S a Monaco based sport clinic
http://www.im2s.mc/praticiens/medecins/dr-stephane-bermon/

So Froome's personal doctor is a specialist of VO2max testing and Froome claims he doesn't know what his VO2max is?


Well that screams doper hiding information that would question his ability to perform as he has been doing....but that is no surprise to anyone who can use their grey matter.

 

[the sceptic]

So Froome's personal doctor is a specialist of VO2max testing and Froome claims he doesn't know what his VO2max is?


Well that screams doper hiding information that would question his ability to perform as he has been doing....but that is no surprise to anyone who can use their grey matter.

Interesting article here.

http://www.im2s.mc/evaluation-de-la-forme-physique-les-tests-deffort/

What types of sports involved in these tests?

Regarding the lack of cons-indication to sport, almost all sports are concerned, especially if they are made in a competitive spirit.
For VO2max tests. They relate mainly to endurance sports (cycling, distance running, triathlon, skiing ...) and the so-called mixed sports (team sports large and small lots, racket sports, combat sports, motor sports ...)
How long does a test?

About 45 minutes in total
I repeat these tests?

Every two to three years or if the purpose of the test is to detect-cons to the practice of sports. Ideally, two or three times a year, if these tests were carried out to assist in the programming of the drive.

 

[red_flanders]

Interesting article here.

http://www.im2s.mc/evaluation-de-la-forme-physique-les-tests-deffort/

I could have sworn someone here claimed they didn't matter.

 

[Benotti69]

I could have sworn someone here claimed they didn't matter.

I also recall people like Brailsford and JV saying they are not important....

 

[hrotha]

I don't see the big deal with Dr Bermon specializing in VO2max tests, that doesn't necessarily mean Froome would want him to conduct such a test on him. After all, it's not the first time pro cyclists don't make use of a doctor's main specialization.

Like, for example, Fuentes's gynecology.

 

[Netserk]

I don't see the big deal with Dr Bermon specializing in VO2max tests, that doesn't necessarily mean Froome would want him to conduct such a test on him. After all, it's not the first time pro cyclists don't make use of a doctor's main specialization.

Like, for example, Fuentes's gynocology.

I'm not so sure in the case of Schleck(s).

 

[the sceptic]

I also recall people like Brailsford and JV saying they are not important....

I'm sure if it was found that Dawg had a sky high vo2 max it would be extremely important.

 

[oldcrank]

One member of Team SKY has a reported
93 VO2 max (apparently tested years before
joining Team SKY).

I don't know the science of how it would be
important in the team car though, where he
has been the last few years.

 

[TheSpud]

these are his specialities?


what?

I bet he is big in the Tennis world then.






Allegedly.

 

[red_flanders]

I don't see the big deal with Dr Bermon specializing in VO2max tests, that doesn't necessarily mean Froome would want him to conduct such a test on him. After all, it's not the first time pro cyclists don't make use of a doctor's main specialization.

Like, for example, Fuentes's gynecology.

I'm responding to the particular comments of the doctor, who recommends them twice a year for endurance sports, and cycling in particular.

As is the norm for all teams who do testing to determine the ceiling and potential of each rider. It's a standard test teams use.

I find the idea that Sky has never done this test on Froome or never gotten results for such a test a little hard to believe. I also find that they have every reason in the world not to share the number, since we have a pretty good idea it's not high enough to support the performances Froome has put in.

I find it impossible to believe that if he was 90+ they wouldn't be shouting it from the rooftops every time they talked about him.

 

[hrotha]

How about believing that the whole point of my post was to work that Fuentes joke into this thread, with making my own position clear not being a priority.

For the record: I agree with you.

 

[Bexon30]

I'm responding to the particular comments of the doctor, who recommends them twice a year for endurance sports, and cycling in particular.

As is the norm for all teams who do testing to determine the ceiling and potential of each rider. It's a standard test teams use.

I find the idea that Sky has never done this test on Froome or never gotten results for such a test a little hard to believe. I also find that they have every reason in the world not to share the number, since we have a pretty good idea it's not high enough to support the performances Froome has put in.

I find it impossible to believe that if he was 90+ they wouldn't be shouting it from the rooftops every time they talked about him.

I agree with the statement here, I mean how or why have they not done it? And also if they had a high number they would be shouting it as you say. Anyone know numbers of other GC boys Vo2 max? Nibali's, Contadors or Nairo's, are they fairly close and comparable?

 

[TailWindHome]

Was the issue of Froome's VO2 max not settled a couple of months ago?

 

[Parker]

I'm responding to the particular comments of the doctor, who recommends them twice a year for endurance sports, and cycling in particular.

As is the norm for all teams who do testing to determine the ceiling and potential of each rider. It's a standard test teams use.

They don't care about ceilings and potential - all they care about is actual performance. And for that you need to use lactate threshold tests, not V02. They also have the added advantage of not needing in-lab facilities, all the kit needed is portable.

If you had two tests that could be used as a measure for performance - one is easy and acturate, the other is difficult and inaccurate, which would you use?

 

[Benotti69]

Was the issue of Froome's VO2 max not settled a couple of months ago?

Nope.

They don't care about ceilings and potential - all they care about is actual performance. And for that you need to use lactate threshold tests, not V02.

Sky said they left nothing untouched and went into minute detail on everything. Now you claim they disregarded everything except actual performance? So where did they start, the first race of the 2010 season?

What is Froome's lactate threshold?

They also have the added advantage of not needing in-lab facilities, all the kit needed is portable.

Really! What kit is that and what do they test for? I thought Sky left no stone unturned in their never ending search for marginal gains.....

If you had two tests that could be used as a measure for performance - one is easy and acturate, the other is difficult and inaccurate, which would you use?

Vo2max is now difficult and inaccurate, never heard that before.

 

[red_flanders]

Yeah. What Benotti said.

Oh. And someone should let Froome's doctor know this new info about V02 testing. He appears to be confused and still using it.

 

[webbie146]

Even some amateurs test there V02 for 100,- euro these days but a professional on the highest level won't bother doing it.

lol

 

[Big Doopie]

i'm confused...

a vo2max test is only valid if the tested athlete is not doing anything nefarious to boost their ability to process oxygen, correct?

so what is the point of such a test if it is not verifiable (i.e. done by the team or by an external body that does not do plenty of pre-test drug-testing)...?

same goes for the hour record. what's the point unless the competitor is being given daily tests at different times of the day. the way moser beat merckx and ushered in the crazy hour records that followed was that he "retired" (no tests) and then blood-doped (that couldn't be tested anyway) - it wasn't all about being more aero.

 

[the sceptic]

Yeah. What Benotti said.

Oh. And someone should let Froome's doctor know this new info about V02 testing. He appears to be confused and still using it.

Those french guys always get it wrong. Even when they use marginal gains it's the wrong gains.

 

[hrotha]

i'm confused...

a vo2max test is only valid if the tested athlete is not doing anything nefarious to boost their ability to process oxygen, correct?

so what is the point of such a test if it is not verifiable (i.e. done by the team or by an external body that does not do plenty of pre-test drug-testing...?

You could test them clean to gauge their natural potential, or doped to gauge their enhanced potential, or both. An illegally boosted ability only invalidates the test if you're looking for the rider's clean potential, not if you know they're doping.

 

[Parker]

Even some amateurs test there V02 for 100,- euro these days but a professional on the highest level won't bother doing it.

lol

And you can get do an online IQ test for five bucks - but when it comes to handing out the jobs at CERN they require some actual achievement.

VO2 tests are the physical equivalent of an IQ test. They give you a ball park idea of what someone might be able to do, but not as good a guide as seeing them actually doing it.

Just becuase it's the only bit of sports science you've heard of it doesn't mean it's the best.

 

[The Hitch]

i'm confused...

a vo2max test is only valid if the tested athlete is not doing anything nefarious to boost their ability to process oxygen, correct?

so what is the point of such a test if it is not verifiable (i.e. done by the team or by an external body that does not do plenty of pre-test drug-testing...?

Because froomeodopucci claims to have a super high result, so why does he keep the number a secret.

 

[Benotti69]

VO2 tests are the physical equivalent of an IQ test. They give you a ball park idea of what someone might be able to do, but not as good a guide as seeing them actually doing it.

So Sky never saw Froome doing anything in races yet knew he was going to win a TdF? Based on hanging onto motorbikes and zigzagging up climbs......

Trolling for Sky, the bots didn't get the updates from Armstrong's racing days...