Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[Mellow Velo]

Good point but to be fair, Sutton always said that Wiggins had massive potential.

As for Froome. I've never heard of Sutton to be particularly effusive about his talent.

Froome went outside of Team Sky for his magic formula just as his contract was being halved / not renewed. Bobby Julich shined this turd and it looks like the team just had to suck it up and go along with it when he placed high in the Vuelta. Dave B couldn't be seen to lose such a mega talent so outbid OPQS to retain Froome and then I guess had to ignore the way Froome came to form or look after him in-house.

Either way, it's simply a matter of time before Froome goes down and takes Sir Dave with him. By all accounts Froome is a loose cannon so it won't be long.

Investigating the suitability of his footwear won't get you anywhere.

To be fair, I have.

Anyhow, I'll let everyone get on with their botting.

 

[The Hitch]

To be fair, I have.

Anyhow, I'll let everyone get on with their botting.

So you will continue to refuse to take part in any actual discussions and continue to ignore any points made that challenge your position.

Instead you will chime in every few days, with short baits that dismiss anything posted in the thread as trolling.

Didn't really expect much better to be honest.

 

[the sceptic]

The pics of crash with the race official and Froome pushing Hendy were posted hundreds of times. it's become boring, annoying.

What about this one? My personal favourite.

 

[Mellow Velo]

So you will continue to refuse to take part in any actual discussions and continue to ignore any points made that challenge your position.

Instead you will chime in every few days, with short baits that dismiss anything posted in the thread as trolling.

Didn't really expect much better to be honest.

Lets get this done and dusted.
I share most of your convictions, but only as suspicions, hence I don't debate against them.
As I said when all this blew up the other day. Middle ground isn't allowed to exist here. This is what has caused me so much flak. It doesn't look as if I was wrong on that score.

Now, the reason your convictions remain only as suspicions for me, is because I have significant connections within three areas of BC.
I thought you were aware of this, but obviously I was mistaken.
So, in short, I know things, first hand, that you don't.
Hence my comment; the one that you call trolling.

Yet, I do have those suspicions.
Take consolation in that fact.

Finally, I didn't think you (along with RF) of all posters would approve of the term bot.

 

[bobbins]

Sky closely analysed what happened with usps. They even tried to engage with people on forums to get the most negative ones on side.

Their rise to tour winners is remarkable similar to usps though. Laying a trail of bull and getting fanatical fans was all part of the plan.

Cookson isn't stupid and he'll join the dots. Bear in mind that president of BC isn't a great hands on role so the stuff that went on there won't have got up to him.

 

[the sceptic]

Lets get this done and dusted.
I share most of your convictions, but only as suspicions, hence I don't debate against them.
As I said when all this blew up the other day. Middle ground isn't allowed to exist here. This is what has caused me so much flak. It doesn't look as if I was wrong on that score.

Now, the reason your convictions remain only as suspicions for me, is because I have significant connections within three areas of BC.
I thought you were aware of this, but obviously I was mistaken.
So, in short, I know things, first hand, that you don't.
Hence my comment; the one that you call trolling.

Yet, I do have those suspicions.
Take consolation in that fact.

Finally, I didn't think you (along with RF) of all posters would approve of the term bot.

what middle ground? they are either doping or they are not.

seems like you really want to believe they are clean.

 

[ferryman]

Lets get this done and dusted.
I share most of your convictions, but only as suspicions, hence I don't debate against them.
As I said when all this blew up the other day. Middle ground isn't allowed to exist here. This is what has caused me so much flak. It doesn't look as if I was wrong on that score.

Now, the reason your convictions remain only as suspicions for me, is because I have significant connections within three areas of BC.
I thought you were aware of this, but obviously I was mistaken.
So, in short, I know things, first hand, that you don't.
Hence my comment; the one that you call trolling.

Yet, I do have those suspicions.
Take consolation in that fact.

Finally, I didn't think you (along with RF) of all posters would approve of the term bot.

I've no reason to doubt you on this. But, this forum is hardly a back water in terms of doping talk. I fear your position with BC may be compromised in light of your suspicions, particularly given your first hand knowledge. Good on you for sharing them with us though.

 

[bobbins]

Lets get this done and dusted.
I share most of your convictions, but only as suspicions, hence I don't debate against them.
As I said when all this blew up the other day. Middle ground isn't allowed to exist here. This is what has caused me so much flak. It doesn't look as if I was wrong on that score.

Now, the reason your convictions remain only as suspicions for me, is because I have significant connections within three areas of BC.p
I thought you were aware of this, but obviously I was mistaken.
So, in short, I know things, first hand, that you don't.
Hence my comment; the one that you call trolling.

Yet, I do have those suspicions.
Take consolation in that fact.

Finally, I didn't think you (along with RF) of all posters would approve of the term bot.

So you've heard all about the cortisone shots, relationship with Millar (f) and dodgy tests?

 

[Mellow Velo]

I've no reason to doubt you on this. But, this forum is hardly a back water in terms of doping talk. I fear your position with BC may be compromised in light of your suspicions, particularly given your first hand knowledge. Good on you for sharing them with us though.

Indeed, that's why I have gone this far but no further.
And only because I've felt pushed into a corner.
Time to get out of that corner and leave the room,(again) I guess.

 

[thehog]

Indeed, that's why I have gone this far but no further.
And only because I've felt pushed into a corner.
Time to get out of that corner and leave the room,(again) I guess.

Oh the drama...!

 

[The Hitch]

Lets get this done and dusted.
I share most of your convictions, but only as suspicions, hence I don't debate against them.
As I said when all this blew up the other day. Middle ground isn't allowed to exist here. This is what has caused me so much flak. It doesn't look as if I was wrong on that score.

Now, the reason your convictions remain only as suspicions for me, is because I have significant connections within three areas of BC.
I thought you were aware of this, but obviously I was mistaken.
So, in short, I know things, first hand, that you don't.
Hence my comment; the one that you call trolling.

Yet, I do have those suspicions.
Take consolation in that fact.

Finally, I didn't think you (along with RF) of all posters would approve of the term bot.

I don't like the word bot, and have never used it.

Your posts do often come across as dismissing everything that appears in the clinic. You say you are middle ground but so often you will make these sarcastic remarks that don't address anything thats been posted but merely mock "the clinic" and its posters, or imply that nothing posted here has any value and suggest that there are other places on the internet where real discussion takes place (though you won't reveal which ones)

To those of us who think we are having a legitimate debate (as I do think I am) it gets a bit annoying, having our contributions dismissed purely because of where they are posted. Debate the points I and RF (who you mention) or Granville etc make, or don't. To just step in once every few days and say things like "keep botting" reads to me like you don't want to debate, but do want to attack us anyway.

Also I don't understand your "connections within 3 areas of BC" comment. Are you saying that you have information from within BC that tells you Sky aren't doping, or that due to your unwillingness to break connections with BC you pretend you are not convinced, or what?

 

[bobbins]

Oh the drama...!

There's enough at BC that is common knowledge. Don't worry, it'll all be out in the open soon. Especially now Dave B is out.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Sky closely analysed what happened with usps. They even tried to engage with people on forums to get the most negative ones on side.

Their rise to tour winners is remarkable similar to usps though. Laying a trail of bull and getting fanatical fans was all part of the plan.

Copied the organization structure too. The federation simultaneously is supposed to enforce anti-doping policy AND develop a winning team. It works great!

Cookson isn't stupid and he'll join the dots. Bear in mind that president of BC isn't a great hands on role so the stuff that went on there won't have got up to him.

Your faith that Cookson would do something if there was an AAF for Froome is unfounded.

Cookson was on the management board of Sky along with reps from the Sky side. Meanwhile, he was on the UCI's management committee as well as President(??) of BC.

Now he's the executive head of the UCI. Why on earth would he bring doping controversy to cycling?

 

[ferryman]

Indeed, that's why I have gone this far but no further.
And only because I've felt pushed into a corner.
Time to get out of that corner and leave the room,(again) I guess.

I think you've missed my point MV. Anyone, 3 way connected, or not to anything at National level would not be posting, even tidbits, on a world wide forum unless they wanted them to know something publicly. If you want to share something that you are suspicious about to get it off your conscious, we are here for you

 

[bobbins]

Copied the organization structure too. The federation simultaneously is supposed to enforce anti-doping policy AND develop a winning team. It works great!




Your faith that Cookson would do something if there was an AAF for Froome is unfounded.

Cookson was on the management board of Sky along with reps from the Sky side. Meanwhile, he was on the UCI's management committee as well as President(??) of BC.

Now he's the executive head of the UCI. Why on earth would he bring doping controversy to cycling?

The management team at sky know f-all. I've spoke to their members and they are clueless. Even when the dots were joined they are in denial.

Their main objective is to keep sky clean. Nothing more.

I like to think Cookson is naive bit he'll soon get up to speed.

 

[sniper]

There's enough at BC that is common knowledge. Don't worry, it'll all be out in the open soon. Especially now Dave B is out.

you're making me very curious.
Hajo Seppelt would be a guy who could look into BC, although Kimmage would deserve to get the scoop
when you speak of dodgy tests for Froome, is that BP related?
Is Wiggins in the clear zone or could he be exposed as well?

 

[bobbins]

you're making me very curious.
Hajo Seppelt would be a guy who could look into BC, although Kimmage would deserve to get the scoop
when you speak of dodgy tests for Froome, is that BP related?
Is Wiggins in the clear zone or could he be exposed as well?

Sorry, I think you might have misunderstood. BC have had tests done, the results not shared. No one was named. This happened as far back as Athens. Wiggins was doing his own thing at garmin. Clean in year one at sky. Don't know what happened at year two. I do know he was told to be 'more professional' whatever that means ;-)

The English media have been bought and paid for. That lequipe guy who scooped the illegal wheels at London ahould have dug more.

 

[red_flanders]

There's enough at BC that is common knowledge. Don't worry, it'll all be out in the open soon. Especially now Dave B is out.

Any info on what information channel, from whom, or what form it will come out?

 

[Digger]

When the sh** does hit the fan - I will look back on the cowards...the media puppets of sky, the likes of Michelle, Fran and others - Michelle playing the victim, her tears to Kimmage, the likes of Richard Moore, David Walsh, and countless others, their crazed and equally clueless fans....I will look at the bully boy tactics of Brailsford, his bullying of editors...

I ask anyone to just use their common sense - the links are there - not even certain people with links to the UCI believe in Froome - think back to 2010 and how poor they were...look at that autumn...how sky corporate read Brailsford the riot act - what ensued? Leinders that winter...and the rest is history...he clearly showed them how to treat saddle sores alright.

Froome - he was on the outside looking in - was about to be let go - if you could fill out the questionnaire of a person who had all the motive and opportunity to dope, he would tick all the boxes - a desperate man with literally weeks left on a contract- and then, magic, he's climbing with dopers on the steepest climbs of a GT...a ride which has privately drawn disdain amongst others in the peloton. But Sky had a predicament - if they let him go, it's a tacit acceptance that they know he's doping...but how can anyone dope on their watch? Best to sign him up...

People with the marginal gains tripe...you'd struggle to find one that other teams don't do...

The thing is that the supporters look for this evidence - the rumours are dripping out...over 18mths it's slowly slowly coming....Tenerife, to load up on cortisone...the rumours of carbon monoxide use, Shane Sutton telling a concerned wife that 'what we do isn't illegal but it is immoral.' Mechanics are talking...we already have the embarrassment of froome and the cortisone TUE which they clearly got very wrong, regarding the timing...Tiernan Locke, Rogers, Leinders, Henao, the rumours about Uran, the rumours about wiggins and the AICAR from his former Cofidis boss, the fact that so many of their riders started to break down this year - 24months is often the shelf life of cortisone before it starts to break the body down....

They say there was more evidence against lance - yes there was - but not after three years. If the last 18 mths are anything to go by, then the next will be interesting.

Note: the biggest red flag - they can't even get their stories right...from VO2, to the sand shoes, to the bilharzia, to leinders, to blood values...truth is truth - it shouldn't vary.

Personally I will love it when this blows up- for numerous reasons, as outlined above and because of the sh** I've gotten over it - people posting pictures of what they thought was me, my wife and kids being one example. An incident I know full well who was responsible...

You add in Richard Moore telling me he'd 'see me in court' or the idiotic fans telling cound, millar etc that I need to be sued and made an example of, or the 8 page thread on another forum about who I am, or what I do.the point is that the sky fans are possibly even more stupid and rabid than any usp fans were. So to watch this unfold again so soon after is amazing and depressing.

 

[red_flanders]

That was a hell of a summary on the whole shebang, Digger. Props. You get it completely. Can't figure out why others can't see it as clearly.

 

[the sceptic]

good post digger! keep fighting the good fight.

 

[ralphbert]

Wot. So your saying doping didn't stop in 2006? Shocker.

 

[The Hitch]

When the sh** does hit the fan - I will look back on the cowards...the media puppets of sky, the likes of Michelle, Fran and others - Michelle playing the victim, her tears to Kimmage, the likes of Richard Moore, David Walsh, and countless others, their crazed and equally clueless fans....I will look at the bully boy tactics of Brailsford, his bullying of editors...

Won't matter.

Phil Ligget and Paul Sherwen are still by far the biggest commentators in the sport, still looked up to by everyone within the sport as gods. For everyone who knows how much Ligget lied and what an absolute scumbag he was there are a thousand who think he is a gentle old man with the sports best interest at heart, who was conned by Lance.

Ligget is just an example, there are plenty of scumbags and cowards who lied and lied and lied for lance.

And not a single one of them has even been pressured to even give an apology.

In Ligget's case Ashenden wrote a great article that rebutted loads of his bull****, and Ligget just ignored it.

They all just pretend it didn't happen. In cases like that weasel Brian Smith they even try to rewrite history and try to make out like they were against Lance.
And they continue raking in the money.

And if Sky were ever to fall the Slobberinghams and richard mores and David Millars of this world will just do the same. Pretend it never happened. And write the stories they think can get them money,.

 

[Granville57]

What the hell just happened?

Did MV delete his recent posts?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

What the hell just happened?

Did MV delete his recent posts?

Given the import of the admission, I would say most likely. Hopefully the mod removes his quoted replies too if it's of concern.