Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[Dear Wiggo]

Apart from the Doping aspect of missing tests. How **** crazy is it that Athletes like Froome are one missed test from a ban !. That's what's a stake !. And then they come out with naive excuses. One missed test away from 2 year ban !. You would have to be **** mad to get into that situation by mistake !!

Nah it was 2010 and 2015. It was 3 tests in 18 months and now 3 tests in 12 months. So still needs two more missed tests for a ban.

 

[arvc40]

Apart from the Doping aspect of missing tests. How **** crazy is it that Athletes like Froome are one missed test from a ban !. That's what's a stake !. And then they come out with naive excuses. One missed test away from 2 year ban !. You would have to be **** mad to get into that situation by mistake !!

Nah it was 2010 and 2015. It was 3 tests in 18 months and now 3 tests in 12 months. So still needs two more missed tests for a ban.

Thank's, did not know that.

 

[Singer01]

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Folk jumping in feet first just because it's Froome, he was on holiday with his wife, I'm not sure what more Froome can do, surely the hotel is to blame for this? They are the ones who wouldn't let them phone the room or give them access to Froome

I don't like the fact he has waited months to tell the public this as it makes the whole event rather fishy.

However from my own experience if you stay in a very reputable hotel where there are VIP guest the hotel staff are under strict instructions to not let any visitor disturb the guests that includes even a simple phone call, especially early in the morning. However Froome should have told the staff that there was a very minor possibility that drug testers could be on site. He was probably too busy making babies to tell them though!

since a large minority of athletes miss the odd test and don't disclose there is nothing fishy about it.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Folk jumping in feet first just because it's Froome, he was on holiday with his wife, I'm not sure what more Froome can do, surely the hotel is to blame for this? They are the ones who wouldn't let them phone the room or give them access to Froome

I don't like the fact he has waited months to tell the public this as it makes the whole event rather fishy.

However from my own experience if you stay in a very reputable hotel where there are VIP guest the hotel staff are under strict instructions to not let any visitor disturb the guests that includes even a simple phone call, especially early in the morning. However Froome should have told the staff that there was a very minor possibility that drug testers could be on site. He was probably too busy making babies to tell them though!

since a large minority of athletes miss the odd test and don't disclose there is nothing fishy about it.

Disclosing it after a few months is fishy. Either you are transparent or you aren't.

 

[neineinei]

Without the recent Farah story the journalists would probably not have thought to ask Froome about missed whereabouts. Now Welsh & co. will ask every Astana and Tinkoff rider about it at their press conferances.

 

[arvc40]

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Without the recent Farah story the journalists would probably not have thought to ask Froome about missed whereabouts. Now Welsh & co. will ask every Astana and Tinkoff rider about it at their press conferances.

I reckon you are right. This has come up because if the Farah case. Froome certainly wouldn't want this before Tour or ever

 

[rick james]

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Folk jumping in feet first just because it's Froome, he was on holiday with his wife, I'm not sure what more Froome can do, surely the hotel is to blame for this? They are the ones who wouldn't let them phone the room or give them access to Froome

I don't like the fact he has waited months to tell the public this as it makes the whole event rather fishy.

However from my own experience if you stay in a very reputable hotel where there are VIP guest the hotel staff are under strict instructions to not let any visitor disturb the guests that includes even a simple phone call, especially early in the morning. However Froome should have told the staff that there was a very minor possibility that drug testers could be on site. He was probably too busy making babies to tell them though!

since a large minority of athletes miss the odd test and don't disclose there is nothing fishy about it.

Disclosing it after a few months is fishy. Either you are transparent or you aren't.

Yip like Bertie, full denial mode

 

[deValtos]

Disclosing it after a few months is fishy. Either you are transparent or you aren't.

I don't think the timming is fishy as such. He just didn't want to lie when asked a direct question and presumably this was the first time he's been asked (because of the Mo saga).

Should've probably mentioned it when it happened though as Sky are trying to be transparent and all that ... (supposedly)

But yea most athletes just don't mention it until they miss 3 and get banned since it's just straight out bad publicity for them.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Yip like Bertie, full denial mode

Why mention Contador, it's "Froome Talk Only" and Contador has got nothing to do with the discussion

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Without the recent Farah story the journalists would probably not have thought to ask Froome about missed whereabouts. Now Welsh & co. will ask every Astana and Tinkoff rider about it at their press conferances.

Time for Davey W to launch an investigation into this. Seems like a good subject for a new book, maybe Dawg could write the foreword.

 

[deeno1975]

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Without the recent Farah story the journalists would probably not have thought to ask Froome about missed whereabouts. Now Welsh & co. will ask every Astana and Tinkoff rider about it at their press conferances.

Time for Davey W to launch an investigation into this. Seems like a good subject for a new book, maybe Dawg could write the foreword.

David Walsh is as usual strangely silent on this... no comment at all. One wonders if it involved Armstrong what his reaction would be. Did Lance ever miss a test, should it have been tested over 501 times???

 

[Catwhoorg]

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Without the recent Farah story the journalists would probably not have thought to ask Froome about missed whereabouts. Now Welsh & co. will ask every Astana and Tinkoff rider about it at their press conferances.

Exactly. It came up due to Mo.

I would love the same question asked at every press conference to every team this year.

 

[neineinei]

It's not really a threat if there isn't a leak somewhere, they can just say no, or "i think i missed one back in 2008, when i had to rush my wife to the birth center at five in the morning". In the Farah case there seemed to be a leak. British athletes, especially those who have missed a test or two, must have thought the thought that they might get asked about it too, after seeing Mo's ordeal. I think Froome was prepared for the question, and worried he'd be caught lying. He says he tried to have the whereabouts failure not registered due to the circumstances, In Mo's case info from his motion to have the whereabouts failure dismissed turned up in the press. In Froomes case probably a whole lot of hotel workers knew about it too. If you miss a test at home there are better chances no one but the testers and the anti doping organisation will know, and in theory they should keep their mouth shut. Froome also had the experience when info about his emergency TUE was leaked from somewhere, possibly WADA.

But it can be entertaining to see them lie about it too, or to hear them tell the journalists that it is private information.

 

[JRanton]

I wonder how many tests Contador has missed in his career whilst hiding under the breakfast table? 15-20?

 

[HiroAntagonist]

Maybe Froome thought he understood the process, but actually didn't, not fully...

 

[The_Cheech]

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Folk jumping in feet first just because it's Froome, he was on holiday with his wife, I'm not sure what more Froome can do, surely the hotel is to blame for this? They are the ones who wouldn't let them phone the room or give them access to Froome

I don't like the fact he has waited months to tell the public this as it makes the whole event rather fishy.

However from my own experience if you stay in a very reputable hotel where there are VIP guest the hotel staff are under strict instructions to not let any visitor disturb the guests that includes even a simple phone call, especially early in the morning. However Froome should have told the staff that there was a very minor possibility that drug testers could be on site. He was probably too busy making babies to tell them though!

No, that's not the case. You don't instruct the reception desk to restrict all and any access to your room. You make sure you are only contacted on a force majeure basis, but not restrict ALL access. Chris knows that. WADA knows that.

Chris had his phone with him (he was instructed to have a line of communication open at all times,) his wife probably had her phone with her, et cetera.

This all sounds as though he intended to miss the test. Whether he did it because he was glowing big time or just wanted to have a quiet time with the wife is inconsequential. He was FULLY AWARE of the importance of the whereabouts rule.

Back in the day, Oscar Pereiro bitched and moaned on the media about the WADA people showing up during communions, birthday parties and multitude of other private events. If my memory serves me right... he never missed a test. He bitched and moaned about it, but never missed getting tested. He would cuss at the WADA testers, but allowed for the testing to get done.

Fast forward to today... Froome, one of the favorites of the TdF "forgets," (more like playing stupid) to tell the reception desk that they are to let the WADA personnel come up to the room if they decide to show up... and people believe him?

H. U. H.??

 

[The_Captain]

Athletes are allowed more than one missed test for exactly this reason - unforeseen events do happen that even the the most careful of athletes can overlook.

Now if any of the details in Froome's story turn out to be untrue then that is when this particular incident would start looking fishy to me.

In a hypothetical situation that Froome is clean, I can also see how an athlete who get's questioned constantly about drug use in the sport might not want to invite even more questions on the subject by announcing they've missed a test, even if it's not the best long term strategy.

 

[coinneach]

My cynical first reaction was one plastic Brit deflecting attention from another.

But really, 2 missed tests in 5 years? I bet that's under average....
I remember Cavendish a few years ago letting slip about a test he missed, adding something like "I probably shouldn't be telling you this"

The point is, it is easy to miss a test, that's why you're allowed to miss 2 in any year.
We might argue, in the light of retrospective accounts from cyclists cheating, that 2 is too generous.
But as regards Froome, I appreciate his candour, and hope some eager journalist will follow up his account by getting statements from the hotel concerned, which shouldn't be that difficult to get, with Froomes permission?

 

[The_Cheech]

I wonder how many tests Contador has missed in his career whilst hiding under the breakfast table? 15-20?

I wonder that too. It's amazing that that information is not made public. I mean, athletes now can miss two tests and the stale is wiped clean in a year's time (12 months). Meaning... you can easily miss two tests prior to the TdF because you're glowing and show up at the start doped to the guills.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

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Athletes are allowed more than one missed test for exactly this reason - unforeseen events do happen that even the the most careful of athletes can overlook.

Now if any of the details in Froome's story turn out to be untrue then that is when this particular incident would start looking fishy to me.

In a hypothetical situation that Froome is clean, I can also see how an athlete who get's questioned constantly about drug use in the sport might not want to invite even more questions on the subject by announcing they've missed a test, even if it's not the best long term strategy.

How is it unforseen? He filled in ADAMs - otherwise they would not have known where he was.

 

[The_Cheech]

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Athletes are allowed more than one missed test for exactly this reason - unforeseen events do happen that even the the most careful of athletes can overlook.

Now if any of the details in Froome's story turn out to be untrue then that is when this particular incident would start looking fishy to me.

In a hypothetical situation that Froome is clean, I can also see how an athlete who get's questioned constantly about drug use in the sport might not want to invite even more questions on the subject by announcing they've missed a test, even if it's not the best long term strategy.

How is it unforseen? He filled in ADAMs - otherwise they would not have known where he was.

There has to be a camera somewhere in the hotel showing him going into the room and out of it when he said he was in there. The hotel management company needs to corroborate that it was him who signed the paperwork (if it's his signature) and him paying for the room.

If he's able to provide the media with both things, then I'll believe him.

 

[Lyon]

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Two missed tests in 5 years. Well that's not too bad.

Yeah, any good doping programme should not rely on dodging tests. That is for emergencies only.

Exactly. Other than that I don't doubt that Froome is making the story sound better than it is, but even that doesn't tell us anything - with the hypocrisy in sports today you simply cannot tell it like it is.

 

[The_Cheech]

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Two missed tests in 5 years. Well that's not too bad.

Yeah, any good doping programme should not rely on dodging tests. That is for emergencies only.

Exactly. Other than that I don't doubt that Froome is making the story sound better than it is, but even that doesn't tell us anything - with the hypocrisy in sports today you simply cannot tell it like it is.

This is a guy that openly and publicly calls for night testing and getting tested as much as possible.

Unless you're "staying" at a luxurious Italian hotel of course.

 

[MatParker117]

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Folk jumping in feet first just because it's Froome, he was on holiday with his wife, I'm not sure what more Froome can do, surely the hotel is to blame for this? They are the ones who wouldn't let them phone the room or give them access to Froome

I don't like the fact he has waited months to tell the public this as it makes the whole event rather fishy.

However from my own experience if you stay in a very reputable hotel where there are VIP guest the hotel staff are under strict instructions to not let any visitor disturb the guests that includes even a simple phone call, especially early in the morning. However Froome should have told the staff that there was a very minor possibility that drug testers could be on site. He was probably too busy making babies to tell them though!

No, that's not the case. You don't instruct the reception desk to restrict all and any access to your room. You make sure you are only contacted on a force majeure basis, but not restrict ALL access. Chris knows that. WADA knows that.

Chris had his phone with him (he was instructed to have a line of communication open at all times,) his wife probably had her phone with her, et cetera.

This all sounds as though he intended to miss the test. Whether he did it because he was glowing big time or just wanted to have a quiet time with the wife is inconsequential. He was FULLY AWARE of the importance of the whereabouts rule.

Back in the day, Oscar Pereiro bitched and moaned on the media about the WADA people showing up during communions, birthday parties and multitude of other private events. If my memory serves me right... he never missed a test. He bitched and moaned about it, but never missed getting tested. He would cuss at the WADA testers, but allowed for the testing to get done.

Fast forward to today... Froome, one of the favorites of the TdF "forgets," (more like playing stupid) to tell the reception desk that they are to let the WADA personnel come up to the room if they decide to show up... and people believe him?

H. U. H.??

Why didn't the tester ring him then? If they had his phone number then call him.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

That is but one of many questions no doubt our illustrious sports journalists will ask. As soon as they get back from a ride in the Sky VIP car, or JV's aeroplane, or a Monaco dinner with a team spokesperson.