Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[Energy Starr]

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Brailsford told French TV that Froome does not get weighed every day, "not this morning for example", yet Sky nutrionist Nigel Mitchell told cycling weekly "in Grand Tours the doctor weighs riders every morning and they supply a urine sample......That gives us a day to day picture and if we see signs of dehydration we push their fluids a bit more".

So a guy who is at what looks beyond the absolute limit of a healthy person in weight terms would of course be weighed every morning. Especially competing in a 3 week grand tour in summer!!!!

Brailsford lying, again.

And this is precisely the "proof" everyone wants. Lies prove doping, period. They always have and always will. Especially when the lies are about irrelevant crap. The only explanation for the lies are cover up.

 

[Benotti69]

First Sky were saying that their methods were the reason they are so good, proper diet, training hard, dedicated, warm ups, warm downs, pineapple juice in water bidons, pillows but lo and behold it is none of that, it is Froome's unique physiology that only kicked in prior to Vuelta'11.

I think JV's sold a bottle of 'crazy adaptive physiology' snakeoil to team sky.

No doubt the tests,if they do them, will be done of machines with massive calibration errors.........

 

[Energy Starr]

http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/paul-kimmage-chris-froome-in-the-eye-of-the-storm-part-2-30394950.html

Here's more lying. Flumacil is not an amino acid and is not used for recovery. So... Froome is either lying about what it was and what is was for, or the doctor was lying to him. Did I miss any of the possiblities? And this was 2007 or whatever. He's obviosly cleans now. Lies prove doping. They always have and always will.

 

[Benotti69]

Someone obviously with a great sense of humour has set a crowdfunding campaign to buy a Withings Smart Body Analyzer for Froome.......

[Fake] JL Le Touzet ‏@letouzet 4 hours ago
.@teamsky @chrisfroome following Dave B's comments we've set up a crowdfunding campaign for you

http://fr.ulule.com/balance-pour-sky/

 

[LeindersGains]

I hope we get him to look at a weight tomorrow at the press conference.

 

[Taxus4a]

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But can someone decimate the field like he did with a power output of 5.8W/kg? Something doesn't add up.

Agreed. The numbers must be wrong. Where were all the other dopers?

You are wrong, not the numbers. But are not going ever to realized.

 

[Taxus4a]

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how you can do an alnalysiswithout considering the wind.. wind is the most important thing to consider a performance in cycling, you can go 50 kms in an hour in the plane with tailwind and you can go the same watts 30 km 7h with forn wind.

The wind! Eureka! How could we all be so stupid?

Good question!! Try to answer. I dont have any idea, maybe phicologist.

But I hope that man answer me if he have ever ride a bike with headwind.

 

[Beech Mtn]

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First Sky were saying that their methods were the reason they are so good, proper diet, training hard, dedicated, warm ups, warm downs, pineapple juice in water bidons, pillows but lo and behold it is none of that, it is Froome's unique physiology that only kicked in prior to Vuelta'11.

I think JV's sold a bottle of 'crazy adaptive physiology' snakeoil to team sky.

No doubt the tests,if they do them, will be done of machines with massive calibration errors.........

Which doesn't explain the transformations of Wiggins, Porte, and now Thomas.
(OK, a big part of Wiggo's transformation took place at Garmin.)

 

[Dear Wiggo]

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First Sky were saying that their methods were the reason they are so good, proper diet, training hard, dedicated, warm ups, warm downs, pineapple juice in water bidons, pillows but lo and behold it is none of that, it is Froome's unique physiology that only kicked in prior to Vuelta'11.

I think JV's sold a bottle of 'crazy adaptive physiology' snakeoil to team sky.

No doubt the tests,if they do them, will be done of machines with massive calibration errors.........

Which doesn't explain the transformations of Wiggins, Porte, and now Thomas.
(OK, a big part of Wiggo's transformation took place at Garmin.)

Don't mean to sound like I am having a go at you, but
1. Garmin did not train Wiggo in 2009
2. JV did not get on with or see Wiggo in 2009
3. When I asked JV who trained Wiggo and where, he said Ellingworth, Manchester. A complete fabrication. Wiggo did not even turn up to the 2009 world champs training camps organised by Ellingworth in Manchester, according to Ellingworth in his book. Nor did Ellingworth at any stage mention coaching Wiggo to 4th at the Tour in that same book. They are coach-mentality incompatible. It was a complete and utter fabrication or outright lie by JV.

 

[Tonton]

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First Sky were saying that their methods were the reason they are so good, proper diet, training hard, dedicated, warm ups, warm downs, pineapple juice in water bidons, pillows but lo and behold it is none of that, it is Froome's unique physiology that only kicked in prior to Vuelta'11.

I think JV's sold a bottle of 'crazy adaptive physiology' snakeoil to team sky.

No doubt the tests,if they do them, will be done of machines with massive calibration errors.........

Which doesn't explain the transformations of Wiggins, Porte, and now Thomas.
(OK, a big part of Wiggo's transformation took place at Garmin.)

Yes Beech Mtn, there's an explanation: the wind . Blowing in the Sky riders' back, and in everybody else's face.

 

[Saint Unix]

Which doesn't explain the transformations of Wiggins, Porte, and now Thomas.
(OK, a big part of Wiggo's transformation took place at Garmin.)

Didn't you know? Being British* means you get a free gift voucher for 1 Unique Physiology™ at birth. Unique Physiology™ can be picked up at your nearest comically large motorhome.

*Also applies to tiny, aggressive Tasmanians with a background in triathlon.

 

[panache]

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Your comment about parsing suggested otherwise. Not to worry. I do find it strange that now we have real power data there hasn't been a reappraisal. Because it appears that Froome's power matched Pinot's capabilities.

In hindsight it does seem a trifle hysterical for the most discussed single ride you can recall to be Froome matching Pinot. Perhaps the reticence to discuss further is understandable.[/quote]


Why talk about Pinot's capabilities when he actually rode the stage that day? He lost almost 20 minutes to Froome.

 

[Saint Unix]

Also, if Pinot's capabilities are to match Froome on Ventoux, that means that Pinot would have been able to finish with Froome if he had started completely fresh at the bottom of the hill, whereas Froome had to ride the 220kms beforehand, and Pinot would have paced himself up whereas Froome put in several huge attacks to drop Contador and Quintana.

On his best day, without the fatigue of a three-week stage race and without the fatigue of 220km of fast-paced racing on the flats, Pinot might have been able to follow Froome.

 

[Tonton]

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Also, if Pinot's capabilities are to match Froome on Ventoux, that means that Pinot would have been able to finish with Froome if he had started completely fresh at the bottom of the hill, whereas Froome had to ride the 220kms beforehand, and Pinot would have paced himself up whereas Froome put in several huge attacks to drop Contador and Quintana.

On his best day, without the fatigue of a three-week stage race and without the fatigue of 220km of fast-paced racing on the flats, Pinot might have been able to follow Froome.

Agree. This is how I read it too.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

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Also, if Pinot's capabilities are to match Froome on Ventoux, that means that Pinot would have been able to finish with Froome if he had started completely fresh at the bottom of the hill, whereas Froome had to ride the 220kms beforehand, and Pinot would have paced himself up whereas Froome put in several huge attacks to drop Contador and Quintana.

On his best day, without the fatigue of a three-week stage race and without the fatigue of 220km of fast-paced racing on the flats, Pinot might have been able to follow Froome.

Exactly.

Context is critical.

 

[Ripper]

Two thoughts:
1. I'd like to see the 6 year evolution for Froome like in the Pinot study. I can bet it won't be released .
2. I find ironic that Jalabert dares to question other's performances. Although he shaves every morning and can probably tell a doper when he sees one .

Holy mother-trucker of crrrapola! You're still here trolling on in defence of the alien.

Wonders never cease!

EDIT - oops, wrong post that I replied! Sorry

 

[chuckmicD]

Froome seems authentic to me. Always strikes me as thoughtful and candid.

 

[blackcat]

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Froome seems authentic to me. Always strikes me as thoughtful and candid.

same. he seems like a good guy.

 

[Ripper]

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You guys are usually selffeed you nonsense arguments, so that way you consider that is good.

Holy mother-trucker of crrrapola! You're still here trolling on in defence of the alien.

Wonders never cease!

 

[hmronnow]

I have a very hard time believing Froome weighs 67-68kg.

I am 180cm and weigh 67-68kg. I look a lot less skinny than he does.
In the past (early 20s) when I did look almost as skinny as he does now, I weighed 61-62kg.
(enter mountaineering and swimming => upper body muscles weight => 65kg, enter kids and reduced activity level => 68kg)
From photos he obviously has less upper body muscle (and fat) than I do.
And, I do not think it is a matter of him having so much more leg muscle.
While I am very far from elite cyclist, I do have reasonably sized legs (1600W 3s sprint power).

According to Wikipedia, Froome is 186cm. My early 20s race weight of 61kg would translate to 61*(186/180)^2=65. Judging from photos I would guess he is skinnier than I was in my 20s.
So if my guesswork is correct they are releasing a weight that is at least 2-3kg inflated.

It would be a brilliant success for SKY if they can get "transparency credibility" by releasing power data, and then unnoticed combine it with an inflated weight, which simply by journalists repeating it becomes accepted fact. That way the power data suddenly becomes more acceptable.

Of course, this is only based on my layman inspection of photos of him, and he may have weight placed somewhere on the body not visible in photos. So above is just my reading of the situation, not an absolute truth.

In honesty I truly hope Chris Froome is doping more than the others. It would be so devastating if it turns out that he is clean, which would imply that the ugliest riding style with elbows out staring at the SRM and the least inspiring race tactics (team train up the mountain, no echelons, no one-two attacks, no front-runner...) in the peloton is the winning formula.

 

[TheSpud]

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I didn't say that, so no, that's not what I'm saying.

I'm saying it's not possible clean. Applies to anyone. Maybe if we thought the person in the discussion was some kind of once-in-a-generation freak, it might be possible. I thought that was pretty clear.

Was Froome on Ventoux possible clean?

At 388w and 67kg weight (todays weight) it would be 5.8w/kg - well within normal pro-cycling limits.

He would have to be down at 61.5kg to get to 6.3w/kg (the assumed alien level). I cant see him being 61.5kg - I know he's thin but, jesus, not that thin.

But can someone decimate the field like he did with a power output of 5.8W/kg? Something doesn't add up.

I guess he can - he did so right before our eyes. Maybe all the w/kg estimates people have been calculating have been way off. Gotta love real data ...

 

[dolophonic]

I find it ironic that a rider / team sponsored by SKY are complaining about the media.. they have built an empire by assassinating people's character..

Pot kettle kettle pot ...

 

[Archibald]

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Which doesn't explain the transformations of Wiggins, Porte, and now Thomas.
(OK, a big part of Wiggo's transformation took place at Garmin.)

Didn't you know? Being British* means you get a free gift voucher for 1 Unique Physiology™ at birth. Unique Physiology™ can be picked up at your nearest comically large motorhome.

seem's Cummings just cashed his in - no doubt was given it when he went from Barloworld to Sky. Just chose not to use it til this year for his TdF stage win last weekend

 

[gillan1969]

Walsh and some guy who is head of BC on the Today programme this morning...with Walsh being the sane one BC obviously think he is clean and Walsh believes he is clean but doesn't know he is clean. To be fair he at least punctured the naive interveiwer's views on testing...

Of course as is the way of the Today programme, and based on his introduction, I think Walsh was chosen as the one who had doubts about Froome...pretty disappointing for a programme that thinks its the number one radio news programme in the UK

 

[blackcat]

Walsh and some guy who is head of BC on the Today programme this morning...with Walsh being the sane one BC obviously think he is clean and Walsh believes he is clean but doesn't know he is clean. To be fair he at least punctured the naive interveiwer's views on testing...

Of course as is the way of the Today programme, and based on his introduction, I think Walsh was chosen as the one who had doubts about Froome...pretty disappointing for a programme that thinks its the number one radio news programme in the UK

you mean, the good cop bad cop perp interview dynamic?