Taxus4a said:
Libertine Seguros said:
Taxus4a said:
Santa was good sometimes in one day races, and surely sometimes on then he doped, but he hasnt a transformation, he just doped and he started to climb with the best.
froome had some very good performances, I have explained, but of you dont want to understand I have nothing to do.
Maybe is uselles to be here explaining, I do just becouse sometimes some normal people could came here and read and thing that you are a good representation of cycling fans or cycling experts, and of course you are not.
Bernhard Kohl podiumed the Dauphiné in 2006, so his transformation was lesser. He even had Paul Kimmage optimistic. Nobody was surprised when he popped. I put it to you that Bernhard Kohl has done more to help clean cycling than Chris Froome. Even if Froome is clean, and your yarns about how you have proven he had some very good performances by cherry-picking some occasional days where he showed the capabilities to be a pretty good pro rider and spinning them as justification for something that looks a lot like Johann Mühlegg to the layman (check out the 2009 Paris-Nice stage to Montagne de la Lure. Jonathan Hivert, future Tour winner!) are all true. In fact,
especially if he's clean, because he's presenting a narrative that looks to all the world like a textbook deflection narrative, and only releasing what he has to when he has to.
But the equestion of release data is not so simple becouse you give data to the enemy. But yes, IMo thay shoudl give more data, but not just him.
By the way, Froome is who more data give. We know he missed a control in 5 years, how much missed the rest?
What, data like his VO2Max (which Quintana has published), or his in-race power data (which multiple riders have published, including key rivals like Valverde)?
Look, the doubts and issues around Froome's ascent to the top of the sport and Sky's appallingly bad "we will be transparent until somebody actually requires that we be transparent" PR are such that they will never silence the doubters, because they've done such a poor job of assuaging the doubts for quite some time now that people will see them as being disingenuous even when they do try to be transparent (such as issuing power data that suggests that Froome is putting out less power than Robert Gesink whilst clubbing him - a guy who top 10ed a GT at 22 and would have podiumed one at 23 had he not crashed two stages from the end and lost time, so a guy who showed a lot more promise as a youngster than the Froome performances you venerate - like a baby seal). Like I have said before, JTL said he would do various tests back when he had his breakthrough performances because he knew people would have their doubts, which shows a LOT more self-awareness than Sky, whose PR side seemed to have genuinely been caught by surprise that people questioned their 2012 domination using a similar template to Banesto and US Postal, as the ensuing scramble to get the talking points established before Wiggins insulted too many people for comfort showed.
But, what would really help quieten those doubters if not silence them, is some data from
prior to August 2011 - you know, the data that they
didn't give Fréd Grappe - that showed Froome putting out the same power outputs he has put out in key stages since. The data from the UCI World Cycling Center that suggested he was a new Hinault. That is before Sky had him, and so surely providing THAT data can't give away any Sky secret training details of the kind that you're suggesting as quite a feeble excuse for not showing any of the transparency they insisted they would show. And if it shows, you know what, the guy DID have that power? It won't make his transformation from the guy that was domestiquing for Morris Possoni into the guy that annihilates Alberto Contador in the mountains suddenly
understandable, and it won't justify the crazy steps up in climbing ability from Wiggins, Porte and Thomas any easier to explain away, and it won't explain the hiring of Geert Leinders or Mick Rogers, but it might go some way to explaining why it's Chris Froome and not one of those others that's the one at the forefront, and that it's more that he's unlocked an achievement level than that he's got fed up of the game beating him and enabled God mode.