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[The Hitch]

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From the Telegraph: Brailsford said that he had not had an advance copy of the results but was “all for” greater transparency in the sport. “I buy into that, I must say,” he said.
Does anyone think DB has really not been given the results?

It's possible he's the on fabricating the results to begin with so in classic liar's logic, he's not technically lying is he since no one gave him the results if he created them to begin with.

 

[Archibald]

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I don't doubt the possibility. I'm not as completely convinced as you are, but you make a strong argument.

Wiggins could have got to low 70s. But no way Froome can be at his current weight.

Just look at Die Meinschaft the German national team that won the World Cup last year.

6 foot players, 31 inch waists, 39 inch chests, sprint and run all day, agility, speed, explosiveness and stamina, like the ex Tottenham now Real Madrid player Gareth Bale.

Why did we never see this physique on a soccer player in 2000? why? why not? they were training, were pros, were on big money, had nutritionists, were doping alot back then?

so why is this physique now in vogue, when they could not achieve it before?

now put bale besides christiano ronaldo, same peptides same physique

From personal experience I can tell you that it's possible to be 6ft, low 70's and still carry some muscle without doping as long as you have the right frame and a bit of discipline.

I looked just like that picture of Bale in my 20's when I was racing NRS. I strongly doubt Bale is clean, but you don't need to juice for that frame.

I can second that. In my late teens/early 20's I was competing in martial arts internationally at 66-67kgs and was exactly 6ft tall (still am - tall not weight). Was training at a mental rate trying to look like this guy (on the right):

That said, welterweight isn't exactly about power...

 

[blackcat]

you can.

however... the control sample, is all the other football/soccer players that have come before him. they dont look like that. they have thick trunk legs, not the lithe greyhound stallion legs. they dont have a ripped upper body like Bruce Lee. They have not been training upperbody all their life, just running, just legs. but they build this ripped upper body. #NOTNORMAL

 

[harryh]

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you can.

however... the control sample, is all the other football/soccer players that have come before him. they dont look like that. they have thick trunk legs, not the lithe greyhound stallion legs. they dont have a ripped upper body like Bruce Lee. They have not been training upperbody all their life, just running, just legs. but they build this ripped upper body. #NOTNORMAL

lol

 

[danielovichdk2]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/chris-froome/12028045/Chris-Froome-test-results-may-still-not-convince-sceptics-he-has-not-doped-Sir-Dave-Brailsford-admits.html

Brailsford is right, we don't need the test to tell whether Froome is doping or not. It's pretty clear.

 

[gillan1969]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/chris-froome/12028045/Chris-Froome-test-results-may-still-not-convince-sceptics-he-has-not-doped-Sir-Dave-Brailsford-admits.html

Brailsford is right, we don't need the test to tell whether Froome is doping or not. It's pretty clear.

indeed, or in his own words...to make the unbelievable believable

 

[doperhopper]

Brailsfraud should really come with something innovative and slightly believable, why not biomechanic stuff, something like "supersymmetric Vroom", works in athletics (though it's for sprinters... so can be high cadence-related).

http://www.runnersworld.com/newswire/knee-symmetry-may-predict-sprint-prowess

 

[gillan1969]

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I don't doubt the possibility. I'm not as completely convinced as you are, but you make a strong argument.

Wiggins could have got to low 70s. But no way Froome can be at his current weight.

Just look at Die Meinschaft the German national team that won the World Cup last year.

6 foot players, 31 inch waists, 39 inch chests, sprint and run all day, agility, speed, explosiveness and stamina, like the ex Tottenham now Real Madrid player Gareth Bale.

Why did we never see this physique on a soccer player in 2000? why? why not? they were training, were pros, were on big money, had nutritionists, were doping alot back then?

so why is this physique now in vogue, when they could not achieve it before?

now put bale besides christiano ronaldo, same peptides same physique

these guys make as much from image as they do from kicking the ball...the more bedroom walls you adorn the more kit and product you shift...having a good torso helps...bearing how little these guys train (well the Brits anyway and certainly the Scots )...a few more hours in the gym is more than worth it...

 

[42x16ss]

Re: Re:

I don't doubt the possibility. I'm not as completely convinced as you are, but you make a strong argument.

Wiggins could have got to low 70s. But no way Froome can be at his current weight.

Just look at Die Meinschaft the German national team that won the World Cup last year.

6 foot players, 31 inch waists, 39 inch chests, sprint and run all day, agility, speed, explosiveness and stamina, like the ex Tottenham now Real Madrid player Gareth Bale.

Why did we never see this physique on a soccer player in 2000? why? why not? they were training, were pros, were on big money, had nutritionists, were doping alot back then?

so why is this physique now in vogue, when they could not achieve it before?

now put bale besides christiano ronaldo, same peptides same physique

From personal experience I can tell you that it's possible to be 6ft, low 70's and still carry some muscle without doping as long as you have the right frame and a bit of discipline.

I looked just like that picture of Bale in my 20's when I was racing NRS. I strongly doubt Bale is clean, but you don't need to juice for that frame.

I can second that. In my late teens/early 20's I was competing in martial arts internationally at 66-67kgs and was exactly 6ft tall (still am - tall not weight). Was training at a mental rate trying to look like this guy (on the right):

That said, welterweight isn't exactly about power...

While that guy was a dead set, absolute legend amongst men, I can't help but suspect that even he may have had some "assistance".

Transformed martial arts as we know it though.

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

I don't doubt the possibility. I'm not as completely convinced as you are, but you make a strong argument.

Wiggins could have got to low 70s. But no way Froome can be at his current weight.

Just look at Die Meinschaft the German national team that won the World Cup last year.

6 foot players, 31 inch waists, 39 inch chests, sprint and run all day, agility, speed, explosiveness and stamina, like the ex Tottenham now Real Madrid player Gareth Bale.

Why did we never see this physique on a soccer player in 2000? why? why not? they were training, were pros, were on big money, had nutritionists, were doping alot back then?

so why is this physique now in vogue, when they could not achieve it before?

now put bale besides christiano ronaldo, same peptides same physique

From personal experience I can tell you that it's possible to be 6ft, low 70's and still carry some muscle without doping as long as you have the right frame and a bit of discipline.

I looked just like that picture of Bale in my 20's when I was racing NRS. I strongly doubt Bale is clean, but you don't need to juice for that frame.

I can second that. In my late teens/early 20's I was competing in martial arts internationally at 66-67kgs and was exactly 6ft tall (still am - tall not weight). Was training at a mental rate trying to look like this guy (on the right):

That said, welterweight isn't exactly about power...

While that guy was a dead set, absolute legend amongst men, I can't help but suspect that even he may have had some "assistance".

Transformed martial arts as we know it though.

actually, I reckon Bruce Lee p'raps would be the most likely of all to never take anything. If he has trained his martial arts sinces he was 10, he will have that body. That is his professional and raison d'etre/existential lifeforce... an average diet could get there, a disciplined diet easily, and if we know anything about the man, it would have been the latter.

 

[armchairclimber]

I have coached junior men middle distance runners who are 100% clean but who have more impressive physiques than Gareth Bale in that photo.
Froome looks too thin to me when he's at racing weight...but his body fat % (9) isn't ridiculous.

 

[mewmewmew13]

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Ì heard from an inside source Froome is anorexic (duh) but also addicted to anti-depressive drugs

this makes more sense than anything I've read so far

 

[IzzyStradlin]

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Ì heard from an inside source Froome is anorexic (duh) but also addicted to anti-depressive drugs

this makes more sense than anything I've read so far

But he is somehow still able to train, perform and recover better than his competitors?

 

[mewmewmew13]

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Ì heard from an inside source Froome is anorexic (duh) but also addicted to anti-depressive drugs

this makes more sense than anything I've read so far

But he is somehow still able to train, perform and recover better than his competitors?

I didn't say he that he wasn't doping. He's doing something but if this is also present it adds to the whole enigma..

 

[SundayRider]

Not that many naturally lean endurance athletes post here then? I and a number of amateur cyclists, triathletes, runners that I know have little difficulty maintaining a low bf% even whilst eating lots of calories and not all of them from good sources!

 

[Benotti69]

Must be just a coincidence that Froome looks anorexic when drugs like AICAR are available that strip fat and boost power.

 

[Lyon]

So the new narrative is that Froome was a fat, underweight, perfectly healthy rider suffering from a blood-cell-eating disease that doesn't affect blood values and is easily cured but has to be treated every year anyway, while cycling in sand shoes on the most technologically advanced team in the universe? Got it.

 

[bigcog]

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Must be just a coincidence that Froome looks anorexic when drugs like AICAR are available that strip fat and boost power.

You do know they test for AICAR in the TDF ?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tour-de-france-samples-to-be-tested-for-aicar/

 

[The Hitch]

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Must be just a coincidence that Froome looks anorexic when drugs like AICAR are available that strip fat and boost power.

You do know they test for AICAR in the TDF ?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tour-de-france-samples-to-be-tested-for-aicar/

Did you only discover this doping thing yesterday?

 

[Benotti69]

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Must be just a coincidence that Froome looks anorexic when drugs like AICAR are available that strip fat and boost power.

You do know they test for AICAR in the TDF ?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tour-de-france-samples-to-be-tested-for-aicar/

You do know the Lab is so trustworthy and not influenced by the financial aspects of the sport.....

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

I don't doubt the possibility. I'm not as completely convinced as you are, but you make a strong argument.

Wiggins could have got to low 70s. But no way Froome can be at his current weight.

Just look at Die Meinschaft the German national team that won the World Cup last year.

6 foot players, 31 inch waists, 39 inch chests, sprint and run all day, agility, speed, explosiveness and stamina, like the ex Tottenham now Real Madrid player Gareth Bale.

Why did we never see this physique on a soccer player in 2000? why? why not? they were training, were pros, were on big money, had nutritionists, were doping alot back then?

so why is this physique now in vogue, when they could not achieve it before?

now put bale besides christiano ronaldo, same peptides same physique

these guys make as much from image as they do from kicking the ball...the more bedroom walls you adorn the more kit and product you shift...having a good torso helps...bearing how little these guys train (well the Brits anyway and certainly the Scots )...a few more hours in the gym is more than worth it...

there is an inverse correlation between muscle and intrafacial tissue (ie. cheeks v cheekbones n jawline)...

and Bale and Ronaldo do carry muscle in terms of a soccer/football athlete. But they have cheekbones and jawline like a male model = #NOTNORMAL.

the control sample, was the regular professional footballer athlete body over the last 2 decades, until the peptides entered the sport about 5 years ago. previously they had nutritionists, and cheeks, and a degree of muscle.

now they have the same nutritionists, but less intrafacial tissue, and more muscle. #NOTNORMAL

 

[blackcat]

 

[blackcat]

 

[blackcat]

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Not that many naturally lean endurance athletes post here then? I and a number of amateur cyclists, triathletes, runners that I know have little difficulty maintaining a low bf% even whilst eating lots of calories and not all of them from good sources!

the control sample was the previous physique that Wiggins and Froome had, even when they were training and being pro cyclists.

I know there are stories wrt Tyler Hamilton and Michael Rassmussen and how strict they were to keep their weight down...

but, how could you ride caloric deficit while training to boost your FTP for July? If you are riding hunger flat everyday, how can you train competently?

and using Hamilton and Rassmussen is pretty absurd since they are open about their appetites for the exogenous products.

 

[blackcat]