Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[blackcat]

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[86TDFWinner]

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Must be just a coincidence that Froome looks anorexic when drugs like AICAR are available that strip fat and boost power.

You do know they test for AICAR in the TDF ?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tour-de-france-samples-to-be-tested-for-aicar/

But they probably don't test HIM and even if they did, we'll most likely never know the true results.

You can thank Wonderboy for all of this.

 

[86TDFWinner]

I'll post this here as well, since this is a Froome thread:
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/opinion-dont-get-too-excited-about-chris-froomes-data-its-only-half-the-story-202614?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Social

 

[blackcat]

his data is not even half the story.

If the story is a narrative story and a story for propaganda, the data is the whole story, atleast on a meta level.

if the story is cycling, the data is not half the story, it has zero relevance, everyone with a brain who can dissect the past three decades of Grand Tour cycling, and selective Doyenne Classics cycling racing, and sees the stats on the winners doping, would know, on a purely intellectual level, the winners will be doping.

then an aside with some statistical analysis on the gains that PEDs offer, and this is the invocation of D-Queued's aphorism on marginal gains not even being a rounding error on a comprehensive doping program...

you dont even have to read charles yesalis and john hoberman and julian savulescu

 

[meat puppet]

Well the other hulk has a livestrong bracelet. That's a marginal gain, surely.

Also Lyon nailed this upthread. I for one am a believer now.

 

[rote_laterne]

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So the new narrative is that Froome was a fat, underweight, perfectly healthy rider suffering from a blood-cell-eating disease that doesn't affect blood values and is easily cured but has to be treated every year anyway, while cycling in sand shoes on the most technologically advanced team in the universe? Got it.

brilliant.

 

[Brian Butterfield]

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Must be just a coincidence that Froome looks anorexic when drugs like AICAR are available that strip fat and boost power.

Isn't it cheaper to have an eating disorder than forking out for AICAR? What dosages are we talking about anyway? I read somewhere internets it's about 500mgs per kg of body weight for it to be of any use.
I myself have contemplated the Riis- based method of chugging mineral water and then a buncha sleeping tablets.

 

[bewildered]

except being anorexic wouldn't boost power

 

[Jacques de Molay]

Not data related, so I'll post this here, even though it's directly from the Esquire article.

I'm just surprised that the absurdity of this little episode wasn't picked up on.

Having done the body scans, Froome tucks into some fruit and sandwiches and strips for action, revealing a big, bloody wound on his knee. He smiles wryly. “I was taking my racing bike and my time-trial bike to wash them in the car wash.” It was around the corner from his apartment in Monaco; he was riding one bike and wheeling the other alongside when the handlebars became entangled. “Down I went, quite heavily.”

Can anyone imagine the likes of Quintana,Valverde, Nibali, Contador...or Sagan retelling such a ludicrous tale?

WTF?!

 

[djpbaltimore]

That does sound like a very Froome-y thing to do.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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That does sound like a very Froome-y thing to do.

^This

 

[Rollthedice]

Not data related, so I'll post this here, even though it's directly from the Esquire article.

I'm just surprised that the absurdity of this little episode wasn't picked up on.

Having done the body scans, Froome tucks into some fruit and sandwiches and strips for action, revealing a big, bloody wound on his knee. He smiles wryly. “I was taking my racing bike and my time-trial bike to wash them in the car wash.” It was around the corner from his apartment in Monaco; he was riding one bike and wheeling the other alongside when the handlebars became entangled. “Down I went, quite heavily.”

Can anyone imagine the likes of Quintana,Valverde, Nibali, Contador...or Sagan retelling such a ludicrous tale?

WTF?!

Ha ha ha ha! Unbelievable. Silly me, I thought he crashed in the lab.

 

[Jacques de Molay]

My kingdom for a video of the incident.

 

[LaFlorecita]

My kingdom for a video of the incident.

Sounds like something you'd see on Eurosport WATTS

 

[Jacques de Molay]

Sounds like something you'd see on Eurosport WATTS

Sounds like something you'd see on Benny Hill or Monty Python.

 

[May0maniac]

Sounds like something you'd see on Eurosport WATTS

Sounds like something you'd see on Benny Hill or Monty Python.

That sounds like Pee Wee Herman.

 

[blackcat]

well, remember the final day in Paris and Sky and Froome and LRP almost went down and became entangled.

what i reckon has happened, Froome-dawg is once again lying thru his teeth, but there is a curnel, an antecedent memory of this day in Paris...

in feature film and fiction writing they may say "based on a true story".

in reality, all lies.

 

[86TDFWinner]

Not data related, so I'll post this here, even though it's directly from the Esquire article.

I'm just surprised that the absurdity of this little episode wasn't picked up on.

Having done the body scans, Froome tucks into some fruit and sandwiches and strips for action, revealing a big, bloody wound on his knee. He smiles wryly. “I was taking my racing bike and my time-trial bike to wash them in the car wash.” It was around the corner from his apartment in Monaco; he was riding one bike and wheeling the other alongside when the handlebars became entangled. “Down I went, quite heavily.”

Can anyone imagine the likes of Quintana,Valverde, Nibali, Contador...or Sagan retelling such a ludicrous tale?

WTF?!

Ha ha ha ha! Unbelievable. Silly me, I thought he crashed in the lab.

Lol! Nibali/AC wouldn't lie would he/they? Hes/they're cleans.

 

[Jacques de Molay]

Lol! Nibali/AC wouldn't lie would he/they? Hes/they're cleans.

The point is, none of those aforementioned riders would ever:

A) Find themselves in such a bike-handling fiasco to begin with.

B) Admit to finding themselves in such a bike-handling fiasco.

 

[Nick C.]

He takes his bike to the car wash to clean it????? Who does that?

 

[Savant12]

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He takes his bike to the car wash to clean it????? Who does that?

I imagine it's one of those stand-alone high pressure jet washers that he was intending on using rather than riding through the main car wash section.

 

[gillan1969]

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He takes his bike to the car wash to clean it????? Who does that?

I imagine it's one of those stand-alone high pressure jet washers that he was intending on using rather than riding through the main car wash section.

don't ruin it for me....

 

[ScienceIsCool]

I'm really surprised that given everything cycling has been subjected to that people aren't more cynical. When was the last time a rider put in a dodgy performance or a miracle transformation and later turned out they were clean? Landis on Morzine. Mapei 1 2 3 at Roubaix. All Armstrong all the time. Cancellara on a motorbike. Riis winning the TdF. Hincapie becoming a climber. I mean it really does go on and on and on.

But this time. This time! Froome has got to be clean. He's the one, right? Zero to hero and clean as a whistle.

John Swanson

 

[Jacques de Molay]

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I'm really surprised that given everything cycling has been subjected to that people aren't more cynical. When was the last time a rider put in a dodgy performance or a miracle transformation and later turned out they were clean? Landis on Morzine. Mapei 1 2 3 at Roubaix. All Armstrong all the time. Cancellara on a motorbike. Riis winning the TdF. Hincapie becoming a climber. I mean it really does go on and on and on.

I don't want to derail this thread, so I'll be quoting and responding to this in the Froome thread.

 

[Jacques de Molay]

This is from the Data thread, but seemed more appropriate here.

I'm really surprised that given everything cycling has been subjected to that people aren't more cynical. When was the last time a rider put in a dodgy performance or a miracle transformation and later turned out they were clean? Landis on Morzine. Mapei 1 2 3 at Roubaix. All Armstrong all the time. Cancellara on a motorbike. Riis winning the TdF. Hincapie becoming a climber. I mean it really does go on and on and on.

But this time. This time! Froome has got to be clean. He's the one, right? Zero to hero and clean as a whistle.

John Swanson

I have to deconstruct this a bit.

1) Landis on Morzine?
That's an oversimplification that still doesn't give us the real story. Landis was doped the entire season, but he still, to this day, disputes the testo bust for that Stage 17. Was it a "miracle drug" that enabled that legendary breakaway? I dunno. Was it? Maybe it was just Floyd being Floyd.

2) Cancellara on a motorbike.
You know better than that. You can't put speculation in the same league as the others. We now know (mostly) what the others were on. There is a level of certainty regarding those named dopers that simply can not be applied to Cancellara (not that I don't think the possibility exists that he was motorized). Not to mention, Fabian has yet to admit to anything.