Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[ferryman]

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another triumph of british doping - froome and kennaugh winning the stage at the herald sun race in australia.

I think you probably meant Sky doping, given it was a Manxman and a Kenyan...

 

[Merckx index]

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another triumph of british doping - froome and kennaugh winning the stage at the herald sun race in australia.

“Once we got onto the flat. I am not sure how long we had over the top of the climb but the guys behind definitely must have gotten on the motorbike on the descent because at one minute we had almost a minute and then next thing, we could see them,” Kennaugh said. “We didn’t have a motorbike or anything in front of us, so I don’t know what was going on there but it was strange. As soon as the motorbike disappeared from in-between us, we just pulled away again … which was five kilometres to go when we hit those little rollers we kind of had a good idea.”

Am I the only one who now reads the word “motorbike” and thinks of something else?

 

[harryh]

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another triumph of british doping - froome and kennaugh winning the stage at the herald sun race in australia.

“Once we got onto the flat. I am not sure how long we had over the top of the climb but the guys behind definitely must have gotten on the motorbike on the descent because at one minute we had almost a minute and then next thing, we could see them,” Kennaugh said. “We didn’t have a motorbike or anything in front of us, so I don’t know what was going on there but it was strange. As soon as the motorbike disappeared from in-between us, we just pulled away again … which was five kilometres to go when we hit those little rollers we kind of had a good idea.”

Am I the only one who now reads the word “motorbike” and thinks of something else?

Yeah they like trolling people who now see motorbikes everywhere

 

[rick james]

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another triumph of british doping - froome and kennaugh winning the stage at the herald sun race in australia.

“Once we got onto the flat. I am not sure how long we had over the top of the climb but the guys behind definitely must have gotten on the motorbike on the descent because at one minute we had almost a minute and then next thing, we could see them,” Kennaugh said. “We didn’t have a motorbike or anything in front of us, so I don’t know what was going on there but it was strange. As soon as the motorbike disappeared from in-between us, we just pulled away again … which was five kilometres to go when we hit those little rollers we kind of had a good idea.”

Am I the only one who now reads the word “motorbike” and thinks of something else?

Yes, yes you are the only person that thinks that...

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

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another triumph of british doping - froome and kennaugh winning the stage at the herald sun race in australia.

You're not the only one shocked by goings on Down Under. I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw that Froome and Kennaugh had managed to drop Dion Smith, Robbie Hucker and Joseph Cooper. Absolutely staggering. Looks like another year of Sky winning every race on the calendar again.

 

[pastronef]

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another triumph of british doping - froome and kennaugh winning the stage at the herald sun race in australia.

You're not the only one shocked by goings on Down Under. I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw that Froome and Kennaugh had managed to drop Dion Smith, Robbie Hucker and Joseph Cooper. Absolutely staggering. Looks like another year of Sky winning every race on the calendar again.

I think the Herald Sun Tour race owners are more than happy to have Froome there. Orica, the main home team, will go for Ewan´s stage wins. they haven´t got a man for GC

 

[dacooley]

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another triumph of british doping - froome and kennaugh winning the stage at the herald sun race in australia.

You're not the only one shocked by goings on Down Under. I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw that Froome and Kennaugh had managed to drop Dion Smith, Robbie Hucker and Joseph Cooper. Absolutely staggering. Looks like another year of Sky winning every race on the calendar again.

that was more a joke surely. still surprised froome can show anything and not be accused of doping within this thread.

 

[thehog]

Froome has gone full Lance at Tour of Gila 2009. Heading down to Oz to beat up on the locals with Levi

When will he find the time to inform the UCI of all the *** going on in the peloton?

 

[StryderHells]

Re: Re:

another triumph of british doping - froome and kennaugh winning the stage at the herald sun race in australia.

You're not the only one shocked by goings on Down Under. I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw that Froome and Kennaugh had managed to drop Dion Smith, Robbie Hucker and Joseph Cooper. Absolutely staggering. Looks like another year of Sky winning every race on the calendar again.

that was more a joke surely. still surprised froome can show anything and not be accused of doping within this thread.

What is surprising? A doper getting called out at every opportunity..... What a shock!

 

[gooner]

Froome has gone full Lance at Tour of Gila 2009. Heading down to Oz to beat up on the locals with Levi

When will he find the time to inform the UCI of all the **** going on in the peloton?

He can tell them all about the first class opposition he beat.

 

[ferryman]

Froome has gone full Lance at Tour of Gila 2009. Heading down to Oz to beat up on the locals with Levi

When will he find the time to inform the UCI of all the **** going on in the peloton?

He can tell them all about the first class opposition he beat.

So all this cannon fodder can just be dismissed. Big race for a lot of them...

 

[oldcrank]

I feel sorry for the two intrepid travellers lucky enough
to be Down Under but unable to cheer on Froomey and
the lads because they are stuck inside gathering intel at
the Adelaide Super-Drome. Actually no reason at all to
feel sorry for them...holidaying at Her Majesty's pleasure.

 

[filipo]

Eh, this is nothing. Let's see how they do at La Flèche...

 

[thehog]

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how do you know he isnt being employed now? unofficially of course

LOL dude are you really this pure and naive? Dr. Ferrari and others probably will laugh their asses off when they read this.

He's not anywhere near on the same level as Ferrari or Fuentes who worked on a more wider scale with riders across many teams. This is known. Leinders has been known to work only with the team he has been employed by. This is fact and not baseless innuendo that he is working freelance away from it. Nothing whatsoever has been shown to say he worked outside of Rabobank for the 13 years he was there or the time he was at Sky. Unless you know something I don't.

Anything else said is just baseless speculation.

I'm not playing down his influence. I already said he was more along the lines of del Moral or Celaya than a Ferrari or Fuentes.

I think the fact that Leinders was banned for life was enough to suggest he was a doping doctor of epic proportions. Not sure why you'd want to play it down.

 

[filipo]

Eh, this is nothing. Let's see how they do at La Flèche...

Or Valencia...

 

[Freddythefrog]

Ventoux 2013 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usNpx2BOabE

28.17 an under-geared Dawg changes up. Others in the comments section identify that this might be the moment a switch is pressed. Given that Chris would know all about the trouble Cancellara brought on his head by just pressing the button and not having the excuse of also changing gear, simultaneously, to provide a "shield", he could have done both. Are there any of our slow-mo experts out there who can review the footage and work out if he does both at this point ?

But my biggest problem does not rest with that, it is the repeated calsl to Sir Dave. These culminate with yet another at 39.00 and even then again at 39.59 when it looks like Sir Dave is calling him and this is then followed by the lack of effort the Dawg needs to put in as Quitanna loses all strength and cannot keep up with the Dawg. Earlier, at higher power outputs from Froome, Quitanna clearly could keep up. Suddenly Quitanna is all weak. Looks to me like Sir Dave called someone at Movistar and "the price was right". Speculation, mere speculation.

Look forward to the answers from the experts on slow-mo looking at better quality coverage.

 

[gooner]

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how do you know he isnt being employed now? unofficially of course

LOL dude are you really this pure and naive? Dr. Ferrari and others probably will laugh their asses off when they read this.

He's not anywhere near on the same level as Ferrari or Fuentes who worked on a more wider scale with riders across many teams. This is known. Leinders has been known to work only with the team he has been employed by. This is fact and not baseless innuendo that he is working freelance away from it. Nothing whatsoever has been shown to say he worked outside of Rabobank for the 13 years he was there or the time he was at Sky. Unless you know something I don't.

Anything else said is just baseless speculation.

I'm not playing down his influence. I already said he was more along the lines of del Moral or Celaya than a Ferrari or Fuentes.

I think the fact that Leinders was banned for life was enough to suggest he was a doping doctor of epic proportions. Not sure why you'd want to play it down.

And Del Moral is also banned for life.

Leinders should be out of the sport.

How is that playing him down?

*What's the story with bringing up a post from 2 and a half years ago? What's up with this chasing around the forum?

 

[sniper]

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The Guardian the day after the Ventoux stage:

Inevitably the move raised eyebrows, given that seated accelerations at the high cadence Froome briefly produced are rarely seen on mountain climbs. But the Australian physiologist Tim Kerrison, who has revolutionised the way his charges at Team Sky build up to races such as the Tour, explained that such intense efforts when the body is already close to its limit are a key part of his proteges' training. In that sense, this was a relatively routine piece of riding for Froome.

Most often when climbers make their attacks on a mountain, they do it standing on the pedals to gain the maximum amount of leverage from the arms and upper body. Froome remained seated while making his attack on Contador, however. There is a clear advantage in doing this, Kerrison believes: working in a wind tunnel has shown Sky that there is much less drag when a cyclist remains sitting down. That applies even at relatively low climbing speeds.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/jul/15/team-sky-chris-froome-tour-de-france

Yikes, that's a suspicious load of tosh right there form Kerrison.
Also, didn't Froome admit to not having tested in a windtunnel pre-2013?

 

[sniper]

also, who leaked Froome's Ventoux power files and with what intentions?
And did a datafreak like Jeroen Swart ever look at the data and tell us if the steady heart rate is possible whilst accellerating at that pace?

 

[sniper]

Froome and Kerrison, even contradicting each other:

Froome's high cadence was surprising, but not rehearsed in training, the race leader said. One explanation is he had no option but to spin the pedals faster because changing on to the larger chainring at the moment of attack brings the risk of derailing the chain and aborting the attack, as Andy Schleck found in 2011. Kerrison adds that about once a week Sky's riders practise riding in the highest cadences they can manage, basically for fun.

Those explanations are all over the place. I don't know how else to put it.

Ow, and this:

"There is a significant increase [in drag] when you attack out of the saddle compared to staying seated and keeping your body narrow. If you can [attack] as well in the saddle [as standing] you will get more speed for the same power because there is less drag. It's while you are accelerating that drag is more important, so if you accelerate in a streamlined position, you get up to your speed more efficiently."

But didn't Froome have a tailwind? Certainly that means less drag? So the advantage of staying in saddle would be gone?

 

[sniper]

For those who wonder why Froome reined himself back after he caught Nairo Quintana higher up the mountain, Kerrison explains: "As a general rule attacks to drop someone like Contador aren't sustainable because the rider has to attack at such intensity to drop the guy. Chris got to Quintana, the gap was creeping up very gradually, at about a second a kilometer, then Froomie had to decide how long he and Quintana would work together for.

then why didn't his heart rate go up?

On dropping Quintana:

"Froomie was doing the bulk of the work, then there came a point where he decided to put more time into the guys behind so he stepped up a level again. He went away again at a pace he felt he could sustain for the last couple of kilometres."
That explains the difference between the sudden, abrupt effort Froome made to drop Contador, and the gradual turning up of the throttle which burned off Quintana. In the second effort, getting rid of the Colombian was incidental, as what mattered was to accelerate and gain time on the riders further behind, who were the real threats for the overall standings.

What an amazing load of hogwash!

(and never mind how the style of attacking on the Ventoux makes Jeroen Swart look like a sad bandwagon groupie when he claimed only recently that Sky don't do that kind of attacking anymore, hence Sky are clean)

 

[sniper]

Fotheringham's view on that jump:

There were other factors that didn't immediately hit the eye and the mind as the eyebrows went up and the jaw dropped: by remaining seated in the saddle while climbing, Froome was more aerodynamic than the man scrabbling for his slipstream, Contador. And even as the French commentators rolled their eyes, the slow-motion replay of footage from their helicopter showed their television-camera motorbike a few metres in front of Froome – dragging him, but not Contador.

The interview with Kerrison drew its share of criticism but the argument was more nuanced than it seemed: what I felt was that a relatively superficial look at what went on showed that there were factors that suggested the attack that won the Tour was not quite as superhuman as it seemed to be at first glance. And in a sport where to see is to doubt, and there is pressure to state that doubt both immediately and publicly, that second look has to be worth the taking.

Good grief.

 

[blackcat]

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also, who leaked Froome's Ventoux power files and with what intentions?
And did a datafreak like Jeroen Swart ever look at the data and tell us if the steady heart rate is possible whilst accellerating at that pace?

remember the bullsh!t about Sky having their data hacked into, do this team never tell any lies?

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

another triumph of british doping - froome and kennaugh winning the stage at the herald sun race in australia.

You're not the only one shocked by goings on Down Under. I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw that Froome and Kennaugh had managed to drop Dion Smith, Robbie Hucker and Joseph Cooper. Absolutely staggering. Looks like another year of Sky winning every race on the calendar again.

I think the Herald Sun Tour race owners are more than happy to have Froome there. Orica, the main home team, will go for Ewan´s stage wins. they haven´t got a man for GC

dont know if Rupert had his people arrange it, as he is the owner of the Herald Sun.

saying this, and i did write it, he has about 5 levels above and removed from day to day shenanigans on cycling and Sky.

and News only own about 38% of Sky the satellite tv company, they dont own 100%. I do wonder what Rupert was playing at with this gambit? Freddythefrog care to weigh/wade in?

the muscularchristianity chariots of fire thing, the Tour de France winning for the nation, just like the power politics and sport propaganda on show at Olympics? Just another leaf from this book, and even if it is budgeted out at 20mill GBP, it is still a cheap show of national pride and national glory.

 

[blackcat]

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Yip the good old Anglo Saxon bloody English speakers around the world duping the rest of the real world.

gordonstoun and muscular christianity and chariots of fire...