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[kwikki]

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Another Tour bagged by having by far the most power in the climbs and time trials. It's likely the 5th year in a row now he's at this level of performance, and none other than historic ultradropers Armstrong and Indurain have done it.

It really is mind boggling how anyone can believe he isn't doped to the eyeballs

Err.....newsflash....it's been that way since I can remember, which is longer than I like to think.

Of course he is doped to the eyeballs. Anybody in the top ten has to just to qualify being there.

 

[DFA123]

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So, to recap, in three consecutive days, in the middle of a hard GT, we have seen Froome:

1) Ride off the front of a peloton in a small group and then put in a huge effort to hold off the peloton going full gas for 10km.
2) Drop all but two of the best climbers in the race on a steep and tough mountain finish.
3) Finish 2nd in a TT, the only rider getting anywhere near a real specialist who had been resting for the previous three days.

The guy doesn't even need recovery anymore. He's got so much power available he's probably just tootling along at tempo pace when everyone else is anaerobic. This is beyond anything Lance or Indurain did.

No it isn't. You are watching the strongest man in the race. One of, if not the best climber in the world, and an excellent TT'r.

Going fast wins races.

Yes, exactly like Lance and Indurain. Except Froome is also attacking off the front on flat stages, and destroying the field on descents. He's putting in ridiculous levels of performance on several consecutive days, seemingly with no need for recovery. Even Armstrong and Indurain weren't that blatant.

And Hinault, and Lemond, and Fignon, and Merckx and Anquetil, and Coppi and....

Have you ever seen any of those race? All of them were powerful, relatively stocky riders who used their rouleur skills in an era pre-specialization to dominate races. Also, an era largely pre-epo, transfusions, Aicar and other weight loss drugs.

Froome is nothing like any of them. He's basically a skeleton putting out 450W at threshold. He's riding away from highly organised sprint trains on the flat, gaining minutes in the TT on guys for whom that one stage is their main focus of the year and consistently riding away from 55kg grimpeurs in the mountains.

 

[DanielSong39]

Part of me wants to seem him win on Champs-Élysées by 2 minutes after a 100km solo breakaway. Now that would be epic!

 

[DanielSong39]

Guys, let's face reality. Rider have been doped to the eyeballs since around 1903.

 

[thehog]

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Part of me wants to seem him win on Champs-Élysées by 2 minutes after a 100km solo breakaway. Now that would be epic!

To be honest after Ventoux 2013, I lost interest, I now just want Dawg to go as *** as possible. Sadly now that he is ahead he won't go to e fullest of alien territory that he could go. Disappointing for viewers in the Clinic.

 

[ontheroad]

Froome can now afford to tone it down again and my prediction is that he will tone it down again and drop a few token seconds in the mountains in the last week to humanise his performance.

Incidentally if the time from yesterday had stood he would still be in yellow, would still have coasted the tour and he could have received some badly needed positive PR (skys modus operandi) and sympathy out of the incident. Instead both Froome and Sky came out of yesterdays incident looking like they are in collusion with the authorities and have produced another 'not normal' performance today blowing the main GC contenders out of the water.

 

[kwikki]

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So, to recap, in three consecutive days, in the middle of a hard GT, we have seen Froome:

1) Ride off the front of a peloton in a small group and then put in a huge effort to hold off the peloton going full gas for 10km.
2) Drop all but two of the best climbers in the race on a steep and tough mountain finish.
3) Finish 2nd in a TT, the only rider getting anywhere near a real specialist who had been resting for the previous three days.

The guy doesn't even need recovery anymore. He's got so much power available he's probably just tootling along at tempo pace when everyone else is anaerobic. This is beyond anything Lance or Indurain did.

No it isn't. You are watching the strongest man in the race. One of, if not the best climber in the world, and an excellent TT'r.

Going fast wins races.

Yes, exactly like Lance and Indurain. Except Froome is also attacking off the front on flat stages, and destroying the field on descents. He's putting in ridiculous levels of performance on several consecutive days, seemingly with no need for recovery. Even Armstrong and Indurain weren't that blatant.

And Hinault, and Lemond, and Fignon, and Merckx and Anquetil, and Coppi and....

Have you ever seen any of those race? All of them were powerful, relatively stocky riders who used their rouleur skills in an era pre-specialization to dominate races. Also, an era largely pre-epo, transfusions, Aicar and other weight loss drugs.

Froome is nothing like any of them. He's basically a skeleton putting out 450W at threshold. He's riding away from highly organised sprint trains on the flat, gaining minutes in the TT on guys for whom that one stage is their main focus of the year and consistently riding away from 55kg grimpeurs in the mountains.

Funnily enough, yes, I have seen them race. I've to see Froome manage the insane mountain breakaway that others did in the past, Coppi being a great example. Froome managed 6 seconds on the flat stage, another tiny handful on the descent, and a few seconds yesterday. In the olden days it was minutes.

Yes, Froome and Sky have found a successful way to dope. So has Porte. Quintana, despite having a wingman who is the epitome of a doper, needs to try harder.

 

[Pantani Attacks]

Froome could make a case for the green jersey if he actually set out for it. Such is the sheer madness of it all.

 

[BYOP88]

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So, to recap, in three consecutive days, in the middle of a hard GT, we have seen Froome:

1) Ride off the front of a peloton in a small group and then put in a huge effort to hold off the peloton going full gas for 10km.
2) Drop all but two of the best climbers in the race on a steep and tough mountain finish.
3) Finish 2nd in a TT, the only rider getting anywhere near a real specialist who had been resting for the previous three days.

The guy doesn't even need recovery anymore. He's got so much power available he's probably just tootling along at tempo pace when everyone else is anaerobic. This is beyond anything Lance or Indurain did.

No it isn't. You are watching the strongest man in the race. One of, if not the best climber in the world, and an excellent TT'r.

Going fast wins races.

Yes, exactly like Lance and Indurain. Except Froome is also attacking off the front on flat stages, and destroying the field on descents. He's putting in ridiculous levels of performance on several consecutive days, seemingly with no need for recovery. Even Armstrong and Indurain weren't that blatant.

Indurian did attack off the front once, the Hog(not the forum member) stuck to his wheel, did no work then took the stage win. Day before an ITT and Big Mig wanted to mix it up. (Stage 7 1993 TdF)

But it's not like Big Mig was only riding on bread and water.

 

[SeriousSam]

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Another Tour bagged by having by far the most power in the climbs and time trials. It's likely the 5th year in a row now he's at this level of performance, and none other than historic ultradropers Armstrong and Indurain have done it.

It really is mind boggling how anyone can believe he isn't doped to the eyeballs

Err.....newsflash....it's been that way since I can remember, which is longer than I like to think.

Of course he is doped to the eyeballs. Anybody in the top ten has to just to qualify being there.

Your attempt to relativise is duly noted, but he's obviously having his performances enhanced by doping much more than anyone else in the top 10. The biggest, most comical doper of them all.

And no, being this dominant in both disciplines isn't how every Tour is won.

 

[Elmfel0t]

Froomes fake-pee paus 30 sec after the crash at approx 30 km left was a very big step over line for what the yellow Jersey unwritten laws should be used for. The race was on at the point and you don't call for a pee-break even IF your team mates go down. Froome really lost a of respect there.

 

[DFA123]

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Funnily enough, yes, I have seen them race. I've to see Froome manage the insane mountain breakaway that others did in the past, Coppi being a great example. Froome managed 6 seconds on the flat stage, another tiny handful on the descent, and a few seconds yesterday. In the olden days it was minutes.

Well Coppi was just from a completely different era and not comparable. Armstrong and Indurain are from the same era - doping-wise and in terms of team strength - and Froome's performances are at least up there with those two.

I see above that you think Froome is doping. What do you think he is on; transfusions and EPO or something newer and more centered around weight-loss, or a combination? Do you think he's doing the same as all other riders in the top 10 or would you say it's not a level playing field?

 

[kwikki]

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Froome can now afford to tone it down again and my prediction is that he will tone it down again and drop a few token seconds in the mountains in the last week to humanise his performance.

Incidentally if the time from yesterday had stood he would still be in yellow, would still have coasted the tour and he could have received some badly needed positive PR (skys modus operandi) and sympathy out of the incident. Instead both Froome and Sky came out of yesterdays incident looking like they are in collusion with the authorities and have produced another 'not normal' performance today blowing the main GC contenders out of the water.

Ahh yes, the catch all clause. If he rides fast...he's doping. If he rides slower....he's 'toning it down to__________ <insert wild conspiracy theory here>

Get over it. He's a winner. A dirty winner, but I'm sure you'll agree that is preferable to being a dirty loser.

 

[kwikki]

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Funnily enough, yes, I have seen them race. I've to see Froome manage the insane mountain breakaway that others did in the past, Coppi being a great example. Froome managed 6 seconds on the flat stage, another tiny handful on the descent, and a few seconds yesterday. In the olden days it was minutes.

Well Coppi was just from a completely different era and not comparable. Armstrong and Indurain are from the same era - doping-wise and in terms of team strength - and Froome's performances are at least up there with those two.

I see above that you think Froome is doping. What do you think he is on; transfusions and EPO or something newer and more centered around weight-loss, or a combination? Do you think he's doing the same as all other riders in the top 10 or would you say it's not a level playing field?

Yeah....fatal flaw....all the current riders are from the same era. So, by the power of logical deduction you must be about to claim that the others are all clean, otherwise what is your point?

(Caveat: I've not long come back from a hard interval session. I'm in a roidless rage. Please imagine some lovely kittens when reading my posts )

 

[Saint Unix]

Froome is on the strongest dope of all. The free-for-all given from the UCI to do as he pleases, while the others actually have to worry about not tripping any wires.

Incidentally a formula that would have worked for Lance too had it not been for all those pesky, meddling kids!

 

[kwikki]

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Another Tour bagged by having by far the most power in the climbs and time trials. It's likely the 5th year in a row now he's at this level of performance, and none other than historic ultradropers Armstrong and Indurain have done it.

It really is mind boggling how anyone can believe he isn't doped to the eyeballs

Err.....newsflash....it's been that way since I can remember, which is longer than I like to think.

Of course he is doped to the eyeballs. Anybody in the top ten has to just to qualify being there.

Your attempt to relativise is duly noted, but he's obviously having his performances enhanced by doping much more than anyone else in the top 10. The biggest, most comical doper of them all.

And no, being this dominant in both disciplines isn't how every Tour is won.

So by the further powers of logical deduction you hate him more than the other dopers. Are they ok because they dope, but not as much as the winning rider?

Do you think they should all dope a bit more so that they beat the the overly doped Froome? Oh wait....I can see a problem there...

 

[kwikki]

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Froome is on the strongest dope of all. The free-for-all given from the UCI to do as he pleases, while the others actually have to worry about not tripping any wires.

Incidentally a formula that have worked for Lance too had it not been for all those pesky, meddling kids!

You'd better hope that Yates signs for Sky pronto, otherwise that's that little theory ought of the window

 

[DFA123]

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Funnily enough, yes, I have seen them race. I've to see Froome manage the insane mountain breakaway that others did in the past, Coppi being a great example. Froome managed 6 seconds on the flat stage, another tiny handful on the descent, and a few seconds yesterday. In the olden days it was minutes.

Well Coppi was just from a completely different era and not comparable. Armstrong and Indurain are from the same era - doping-wise and in terms of team strength - and Froome's performances are at least up there with those two.

I see above that you think Froome is doping. What do you think he is on; transfusions and EPO or something newer and more centered around weight-loss, or a combination? Do you think he's doing the same as all other riders in the top 10 or would you say it's not a level playing field?

Yeah....fatal flaw....all the current riders are from the same era. So, by the power of logical deduction you must be about to claim that the others are all clean, otherwise what is your point?

(Caveat: I've not long come back from a hard interval session. I'm in a roidless rage. Please imagine some lovely kittens when reading my posts )

My point is, what are you doing in this thread? You say you think Froome is doping, but respond to anyone trying to discuss that with some mealy mouthed posts about how everyone is doing it and how he it's part of the sport. This is Froome's thread in the clinic, what do you expect to find here? We're talking about him, not the other riders in the top 10 - and he is the most ridiculously dominant rider we have seen, certainly since Armstrong.

 

[kwikki]

OK, it's Friday, and I have to answer the call to prayers (liquid variety).

Great banter, and thanks for keeping it pleasant.

Catch up another time.

 

[kwikki]

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Funnily enough, yes, I have seen them race. I've to see Froome manage the insane mountain breakaway that others did in the past, Coppi being a great example. Froome managed 6 seconds on the flat stage, another tiny handful on the descent, and a few seconds yesterday. In the olden days it was minutes.

Well Coppi was just from a completely different era and not comparable. Armstrong and Indurain are from the same era - doping-wise and in terms of team strength - and Froome's performances are at least up there with those two.

I see above that you think Froome is doping. What do you think he is on; transfusions and EPO or something newer and more centered around weight-loss, or a combination? Do you think he's doing the same as all other riders in the top 10 or would you say it's not a level playing field?

Yeah....fatal flaw....all the current riders are from the same era. So, by the power of logical deduction you must be about to claim that the others are all clean, otherwise what is your point?

(Caveat: I've not long come back from a hard interval session. I'm in a roidless rage. Please imagine some lovely kittens when reading my posts )

My point is, what are you doing in this thread? You say you think Froome is doping, but respond to anyone trying to discuss that with some mealy mouthed posts about how everyone is doing it and how he it's part of the sport. This is Froome's thread in the clinic, what do you expect to find here? We're talking about him, not the other riders in the top 10 - and he is the most ridiculously dominant rider we have seen, certainly since Armstrong.

It's OK, you don't have to address the points I raise about your position if you don't want to. But just repeating your unsubstantiated point during look good, to me at least.

Have a great weekend.

 

[pastronef]

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Don't worry, Simoni.

If it had been Quintana running up the road with Froome chasing from behind hanging off a vehicle do you think sniper & Co would be saying the same thing?

Not a chance.

Reason blinded by hate.

they wouldnt/couldnt be saying anything because the forum would´ve crashed

 

[ontheroad]

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Froome can now afford to tone it down again and my prediction is that he will tone it down again and drop a few token seconds in the mountains in the last week to humanise his performance.

Incidentally if the time from yesterday had stood he would still be in yellow, would still have coasted the tour and he could have received some badly needed positive PR (skys modus operandi) and sympathy out of the incident. Instead both Froome and Sky came out of yesterdays incident looking like they are in collusion with the authorities and have produced another 'not normal' performance today blowing the main GC contenders out of the water.

Ahh yes, the catch all clause. If he rides fast...he's doping. If he rides slower....he's 'toning it down to__________ <insert wild conspiracy theory here>

Get over it. He's a winner. A dirty winner, but I'm sure you'll agree that is preferable to being a dirty loser.

I'll hold my hands up if I'm wrong but lets wait and see. Sky are obsessed with PR and image and they will want to avoid the likely doping accusations that goes alongside the continual crushing of all your main opponents. The history of Froome's previous 2 tour wins has seen him weaken in the last week when the race was won after intense media scrutiny around doping accusations.

He will have to face these questions again now since but for a crash and team orders he could be closing in on 5 in a row of titles with utter domination in the process. He will never be the most popular of winners to the unfathomable transformation at 26. He is riding time trials like a 75kg rider and cycling up mountains like a 55kg all in the style not befitting of poster boy of the sport. To me he has made a complete mockery of the race.

Why would you think I agree that it is preferable that he is a dirty winner than a dirty loser? I'd rather he was a clean loser which is what he originally was.

 

[kwikki]

Sh**! I'M TRYING TO LEAVE AND YOU ARE DRAWING ME BACK IN !!!

 

[SeriousSam]

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Another Tour bagged by having by far the most power in the climbs and time trials. It's likely the 5th year in a row now he's at this level of performance, and none other than historic ultradropers Armstrong and Indurain have done it.

It really is mind boggling how anyone can believe he isn't doped to the eyeballs

Err.....newsflash....it's been that way since I can remember, which is longer than I like to think.

Of course he is doped to the eyeballs. Anybody in the top ten has to just to qualify being there.

Your attempt to relativise is duly noted, but he's obviously having his performances enhanced by doping much more than anyone else in the top 10. The biggest, most comical doper of them all.

And no, being this dominant in both disciplines isn't how every Tour is won.

So by the further powers of logical deduction you hate him more than the other dopers. Are they ok because they dope, but not as much as the winning rider?

Do you think they should all dope a bit more so that they beat the the overly doped Froome? Oh wait....I can see a problem there...

lol

Posters come and go, but there's seemingly always one of those 'but but but everyone is doping, why do u hate chris" types at the ready

 

[kwikki]

Yeah, probably because it's a point you can't answer.

(I really am going now....keep it peaceful Sam)