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thehog said:
sniper said:
excellent first post, jarnix.
agree that Sky is turning the sport into a farce, with a high degree of @sshole-ship at the cost of traditional cycling etiquettes.

Froome, btw, should've been disqualified following UCI rules:
https://twitter.com/MRasmussen1974/status/753936589370327041
Oh well.

the list of favors UCI have done Sky is growing by the day.

The scepticism about yesterday's decision and the smell of favoritism, well UCI and Sky owe it to themselves.

Because the entire stage was a **** show, with many riders breaking the rules, taking illegal feeds etc. it should have been annulled in totality. The outcome hat occurred was giving bonuses to specific riders because bad luck occurred.

Cancelling the time on stage doesn't impact the race as there is still 4 MTFs to come including two TTs.

It was a poor decision for all riders but if Sir Dave has a front seat at the UCI table, then what can you do?

Is there any credible evidence that Froome and Brailsford were in om the discussion as equal partners with the UCI/ASO? Or are you guys hinging everything on the phrasing of that short video?
 
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sniper said:
excellent first post, jarnix.
agree that Sky is turning the sport into a farce, with a high degree of @sshole-ship at the cost of traditional cycling etiquettes.

Froome, btw, should've been disqualified following UCI rules:
https://twitter.com/MRasmussen1974/status/753936589370327041
Oh well.

the list of favors UCI have done Sky is growing by the day.

The scepticism about yesterday's decision and the smell of favoritism, well UCI and Sky owe it to themselves.

Doesn't that rule come from when riders used to take the bus/train/car back in the day? Meaning, it's purpose was never to deter people from running since that would obviously be slower than biking...
 
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Walkman said:
thehog said:
sniper said:
excellent first post, jarnix.
agree that Sky is turning the sport into a farce, with a high degree of @sshole-ship at the cost of traditional cycling etiquettes.

Froome, btw, should've been disqualified following UCI rules:
https://twitter.com/MRasmussen1974/status/753936589370327041
Oh well.

the list of favors UCI have done Sky is growing by the day.

The scepticism about yesterday's decision and the smell of favoritism, well UCI and Sky owe it to themselves.

Because the entire stage was a **** show, with many riders breaking the rules, taking illegal feeds etc. it should have been annulled in totality. The outcome hat occurred was giving bonuses to specific riders because bad luck occurred.

Cancelling the time on stage doesn't impact the race as there is still 4 MTFs to come including two TTs.

It was a poor decision for all riders but if Sir Dave has a front seat at the UCI table, then what can you do?

Is there any credible evidence that Froome and Brailsford were in om the discussion as equal partners with the UCI/ASO? Or are you guys hinging everything on the phrasing of that short video?


Yes, Sir Dave has already informed everyone that the UCI wrote him a letter to thank Sky as the "most cooperative team".

You don't believe him? :lol:
 
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So, to recap, in three consecutive days, in the middle of a hard GT, we have seen Froome:

1) Ride off the front of a peloton in a small group and then put in a huge effort to hold off the peloton going full gas for 10km.
2) Drop all but two of the best climbers in the race on a steep and tough mountain finish.
3) Finish 2nd in a TT, the only rider getting anywhere near a real specialist who had been resting for the previous three days.

The guy doesn't even need recovery anymore. He's got so much power available he's probably just tootling along at tempo pace when everyone else is anaerobic. This is beyond anything Lance or Indurain did.
 
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Don't forget that he's also planning to get stronger in the third week so he can take that form to the Olympics. Because you can choose to do that. Just choose to get stronger after two weeks of racing. By training. Or something.

John Swanson
 
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DFA123 said:
So, to recap, in three consecutive days, in the middle of a hard GT, we have seen Froome:

1) Ride off the front of a peloton in a small group and then put in a huge effort to hold off the peloton going full gas for 10km.
2) Drop all but two of the best climbers in the race on a steep and tough mountain finish.
3) Finish 2nd in a TT, the only rider getting anywhere near a real specialist who had been resting for the previous three days.

The guy doesn't even need recovery anymore. He's got so much power available he's probably just tootling along at tempo pace when everyone else is anaerobic. This is beyond anything Lance or Indurain did.


No it isn't. You are watching the strongest man in the race. One of, if not the best climber in the world, and an excellent TT'r.

Going fast wins races.
 
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ScienceIsCool said:
Don't forget that he's also planning to get stronger in the third week so he can take that form to the Olympics. Because you can choose to do that. Just choose to get stronger after two weeks of racing. By training. Or something.

John Swanson
Perhaps he's actually just using these stages as training rides - to get himself into real form for the third week and Olympics. Would make sense, it's what you see in early season races with riders going off the front to put in an interval or two. His training is just harder than the level he needs to win the Tour.

In fact, didn't Thomas actually say something like that after the Peyresourde stage?
 
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kwikki said:
DFA123 said:
So, to recap, in three consecutive days, in the middle of a hard GT, we have seen Froome:

1) Ride off the front of a peloton in a small group and then put in a huge effort to hold off the peloton going full gas for 10km.
2) Drop all but two of the best climbers in the race on a steep and tough mountain finish.
3) Finish 2nd in a TT, the only rider getting anywhere near a real specialist who had been resting for the previous three days.

The guy doesn't even need recovery anymore. He's got so much power available he's probably just tootling along at tempo pace when everyone else is anaerobic. This is beyond anything Lance or Indurain did.


No it isn't. You are watching the strongest man in the race. One of, if not the best climber in the world, and an excellent TT'r.

Going fast wins races.
Yes, exactly like Lance and Indurain. Except Froome is also attacking off the front on flat stages, and destroying the field on descents. He's putting in ridiculous levels of performance on several consecutive days, seemingly with no need for recovery. Even Armstrong and Indurain weren't that blatant.
 
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ScienceIsCool said:
Don't forget that he's also planning to get stronger in the third week so he can take that form to the Olympics. Because you can choose to do that. Just choose to get stronger after two weeks of racing. By training. Or something.

John Swanson


Riding a bike to get better at riding a bike? What the ***? That'll never catch on. :rolleyes:
 
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What actually does puzzle me, not his performances, is what he said yesterday after he got the Yellow back. He said something like he was happy with the decision made by the jury in the light of the what happened the last few days?

Strange remark.
 
I actually had some sympathy with Froome yesterday after he suffered the indignation of having to run up a mountain and then struggle to get moving on the neutral bike. Today normal service has resumed again after another crushing performance.

Yesterday the sport made a joke of Froome but it was only a small payback for the way this man has been making a joke of cycling since August 2011.

On a side note Mollema's performance's are curious.
 
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DFA123 said:
kwikki said:
DFA123 said:
So, to recap, in three consecutive days, in the middle of a hard GT, we have seen Froome:

1) Ride off the front of a peloton in a small group and then put in a huge effort to hold off the peloton going full gas for 10km.
2) Drop all but two of the best climbers in the race on a steep and tough mountain finish.
3) Finish 2nd in a TT, the only rider getting anywhere near a real specialist who had been resting for the previous three days.

The guy doesn't even need recovery anymore. He's got so much power available he's probably just tootling along at tempo pace when everyone else is anaerobic. This is beyond anything Lance or Indurain did.


No it isn't. You are watching the strongest man in the race. One of, if not the best climber in the world, and an excellent TT'r.

Going fast wins races.
Yes, exactly like Lance and Indurain. Except Froome is also attacking off the front on flat stages, and destroying the field on descents. He's putting in ridiculous levels of performance on several consecutive days, seemingly with no need for recovery. Even Armstrong and Indurain weren't that blatant.

Froome is more blatant because of the joke transformation, but as far as absolute power goes, he's not neccesarily worse than Indi and Lance, just about the same.

Difference, is there are actually some people out there who are convinced 1 of those 3 is clean, and not only convinced, but outraged at the idea that there are people out there who actually doubt him.

THough I forget, are we still supposed to pretend Big Mig was clean because he was Wiggins hero (actually Lance was wiggins hero, but after 2012 wiggo claimed he always hated lance and indurain was actually his hero)
 
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I don't think we saw anything today we didn't expect.
Froome will probably still take more time from everyone in the next days, because he doesn't want to let up. He is Superman. Would you not use your powers?
 
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Fearless Greg Lemond said:
What actually does puzzle me, not his performances, is what he said yesterday after he got the Yellow back. He said something like he was happy with the decision made by the jury in the light of the what happened the last few days?

Strange remark.

What puzzle's me is how Froome is constantly able to get into top form.

One of the excuses for him is that he always gets lucky. Quintana can't hit form. Contador can't hit form. Nibali can't hit form. Rodriguez can't hit form.

But has none of them ever wondered, that hitting top peak is very hard and how much drugs can help a rider to always hit top peak when he wants to.
 
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Another Tour bagged by having by far the most power in the climbs and time trials. It's likely the 5th year in a row now he's at this level of performance, and none other than historic ultradropers Armstrong and Indurain have done it.

It really is mind boggling how anyone can believe he isn't doped to the eyeballs
 
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happychappy said:
ScienceIsCool said:
Don't forget that he's also planning to get stronger in the third week so he can take that form to the Olympics. Because you can choose to do that. Just choose to get stronger after two weeks of racing. By training. Or something.

John Swanson


Riding a bike to get better at riding a bike? What the ****? That'll never catch on. :rolleyes:

You do understand that the stresses of a three week race cause actual, physiological changes, right? Plasma volume expands. Hematocrit drops. You lose weight. He's not doing a normal training/recovery cycle. He's doing a marathon every day for a month. You get slower, not faster.

John Swanson
 
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DFA123 said:
kwikki said:
DFA123 said:
So, to recap, in three consecutive days, in the middle of a hard GT, we have seen Froome:

1) Ride off the front of a peloton in a small group and then put in a huge effort to hold off the peloton going full gas for 10km.
2) Drop all but two of the best climbers in the race on a steep and tough mountain finish.
3) Finish 2nd in a TT, the only rider getting anywhere near a real specialist who had been resting for the previous three days.

The guy doesn't even need recovery anymore. He's got so much power available he's probably just tootling along at tempo pace when everyone else is anaerobic. This is beyond anything Lance or Indurain did.


No it isn't. You are watching the strongest man in the race. One of, if not the best climber in the world, and an excellent TT'r.

Going fast wins races.

Yes, exactly like Lance and Indurain. Except Froome is also attacking off the front on flat stages, and destroying the field on descents. He's putting in ridiculous levels of performance on several consecutive days, seemingly with no need for recovery. Even Armstrong and Indurain weren't that blatant.

And Hinault, and Lemond, and Fignon, and Merckx and Anquetil, and Coppi and....
 
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happychappy said:
ScienceIsCool said:
Don't forget that he's also planning to get stronger in the third week so he can take that form to the Olympics. Because you can choose to do that. Just choose to get stronger after two weeks of racing. By training. Or something.

John Swanson


Riding a bike to get better at riding a bike? What the ****? That'll never catch on. :rolleyes:

Wait, what?

There are still readers of the clinic that attribute Dawgs Dominance to training ?
 
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The Hitch said:
DFA123 said:
kwikki said:
DFA123 said:
So, to recap, in three consecutive days, in the middle of a hard GT, we have seen Froome:

1) Ride off the front of a peloton in a small group and then put in a huge effort to hold off the peloton going full gas for 10km.
2) Drop all but two of the best climbers in the race on a steep and tough mountain finish.
3) Finish 2nd in a TT, the only rider getting anywhere near a real specialist who had been resting for the previous three days.

The guy doesn't even need recovery anymore. He's got so much power available he's probably just tootling along at tempo pace when everyone else is anaerobic. This is beyond anything Lance or Indurain did.


No it isn't. You are watching the strongest man in the race. One of, if not the best climber in the world, and an excellent TT'r.

Going fast wins races.
Yes, exactly like Lance and Indurain. Except Froome is also attacking off the front on flat stages, and destroying the field on descents. He's putting in ridiculous levels of performance on several consecutive days, seemingly with no need for recovery. Even Armstrong and Indurain weren't that blatant.

Froome is more blatant because of the joke transformation, but as far as absolute power goes, he's not neccesarily worse than Indi and Lance, just about the same.

Difference, is there are actually some people out there who are convinced 1 of those 3 is clean, and not only convinced, but outraged at the idea that there are people out there who actually doubt him.

THough I forget, are we still supposed to pretend Big Mig was clean because he was Wiggins hero (actually Lance was wiggins hero, but after 2012 wiggo claimed he always hated lance and indurain was actually his hero)

And funnily enough, I agree with all points you make.
 
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SeriousSam said:
Another Tour bagged by having by far the most power in the climbs and time trials. It's likely the 5th year in a row now he's at this level of performance, and none other than historic ultradropers Armstrong and Indurain have done it.

It really is mind boggling how anyone can believe he isn't doped to the eyeballs
 
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The Hitch said:
Fearless Greg Lemond said:
What actually does puzzle me, not his performances, is what he said yesterday after he got the Yellow back. He said something like he was happy with the decision made by the jury in the light of the what happened the last few days?

Strange remark.

What puzzle's me is how Froome is constantly able to get into top form.

One of the excuses for him is that he always gets lucky. Quintana can't hit form. Contador can't hit form. Nibali can't hit form. Rodriguez can't hit form.

But has none of them ever wondered, that hitting top peak is very hard and how much drugs can help a rider to always hit top peak when he wants to.

I remember the days when a serious GT rider would make sure he'd start the Tour with an extra couple of kilos and slightly under-trained so that they would peak at the end of the second week. Nowadays you can show up with guns blazing from the first stage and expect to peak for the Olympics.

John Swanson
 
Well, there is training and there is "training".

If you're really good at training, you will smash it against amateurs, possibly even get into a pro race, then be dropped like a sack of potatoes less than a kilometer into the final climb.

If you want to do better than that, you have to be really good at "training".

With that said, for "training" to be effective, you still need talent, innovative techniques, and hard work.