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Armstrong was huge, absolutely huge. There is no argument about that.
popular jams said:
Armstrong was huge, absolutely huge. There is no argument about that.
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Armstrong hasn't raced for years, this one is more relevant http://www.topendsports.com/world/lists/earnings/athletes-paid-2005.htm
Top 10. I wouldn't use earnings as the sole criteria on world popularity though. And, I don't think it has relevance to the point being made about wanting to take Murdoch down or not. It's not about Murdoch, it's about whether the whistleblower feels safe blowing the whistle.
The quotes from Ross Tucker's twitter stream are more relevant.
AlbineVespuzzio said:
Armstrong hasn't raced for years, this one is more relevant http://www.topendsports.com/world/lists/earnings/athletes-paid-2005.htm
Top 10. I wouldn't use earnings as the sole criteria on world popularity though. And, I don't think it has relevance to the point being made about wanting to take Murdoch down or not. It's not about Murdoch, it's about whether the whistleblower feels safe blowing the whistle.
The quotes from Ross Tucker's twitter stream are more relevant.
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Froome was so strong he didn't have to attack in the mountains, and his team was so strong that they could prevent everyone else from attacking too. Considering the flak Froome has gotten every time he's done his deciding attacks on climbs (Ax-3-Domaines, Ventoux and PSM) it's very convenient for him to be able to win without having to do that again.
For me this was a race that should've put the entire team under scrutiny. I've never ever seen a team neutralize a race as dominantly as Sky did this year, and that's counting the USPS years. Forget the downhill attack and the echelons. Froome would have creamed everyone with his time trials alone. He didn't have to do anything at all on the other stages. His doms did it all for him. I will however say that the competition was a joke this year. I think a Quintana/Nibali/Contador in top shape would have cracked even Poels. Froome would've won it anyway, though. Doesn't matter which team he rides for.
Also, Froome rode an absolutely incredible 2nd time trial, which counts as a climb, to answer your questions with a specific example.
I'll bite. How about every single climb where his competitors were literally unable to create a gap because Froome's domestiques would just reel them in with no difficulty whatsoever? The ONLY dangerous rider who was allowed to get away without the doms putting the race in a chokehold was Richie, presumably as a favour for his service and to help him onto the podium. Even then Froome just sat on his wheel effortlessly. Bardet also got away, but that was when Froome crashed. After that the Sky doms were still bullying the rest of the GC contender group into submission every time they tried upping the pace, slowing them down and keeping the race completely neutralized until a banged-up Froome on the wrong bike had to let go at the end.Poursuivant said:
Froome was so strong he didn't have to attack in the mountains, and his team was so strong that they could prevent everyone else from attacking too. Considering the flak Froome has gotten every time he's done his deciding attacks on climbs (Ax-3-Domaines, Ventoux and PSM) it's very convenient for him to be able to win without having to do that again.
For me this was a race that should've put the entire team under scrutiny. I've never ever seen a team neutralize a race as dominantly as Sky did this year, and that's counting the USPS years. Forget the downhill attack and the echelons. Froome would have creamed everyone with his time trials alone. He didn't have to do anything at all on the other stages. His doms did it all for him. I will however say that the competition was a joke this year. I think a Quintana/Nibali/Contador in top shape would have cracked even Poels. Froome would've won it anyway, though. Doesn't matter which team he rides for.
Also, Froome rode an absolutely incredible 2nd time trial, which counts as a climb, to answer your questions with a specific example.
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The writer Will Fortheringham got a pasting on Twitter for the article, rightly so, even Ross Tucker joins in
Link to tweet here:
https://twitter.com/guardian_sport/status/756958457341874176
SeriousSam said:
The writer Will Fortheringham got a pasting on Twitter for the article, rightly so, even Ross Tucker joins in
Link to tweet here:
https://twitter.com/guardian_sport/status/756958457341874176
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9th place. In 2005 (and absent in any other year). When was he chased?
The point is that he is/was small fish. The real fish are protected.
Night Rider said:
9th place. In 2005 (and absent in any other year). When was he chased?
Me neither. It's an indication of how much of a fish he was in the world of sport, which was the discussion.
The point is that he is/was small fish. The real fish are protected.
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These one's that Benotti posted viewtopic.php?p=1985621#p1985621
It's more relevant as to why people won't take on the establishment than the athletes popularity.
Poursuivant said:
These one's that Benotti posted viewtopic.php?p=1985621#p1985621
It's more relevant as to why people won't take on the establishment than the athletes popularity.
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Thanks :lol:
thehog said:SeriousSam said:
The writer Will Fortheringham got a pasting on Twitter for the article, rightly so, even Ross Tucker joins in
Link to tweet here:
https://twitter.com/guardian_sport/status/756958457341874176
Thanks :lol:
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Oleg Tinkov says he will only come back to cycling after Froome has retired.
"to win the Tour de France but as long as Chris Froome is there, it will not happen. I'm waiting for the end of the Froome-age to get back in the peloton. But one thing is certain: I will come back to win the Tour."
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tinkov-ill-come-back-and-win-the-tour-de-france-when-froome-has-gone/
It's interesting that he implies that Froome will always be dominant.....not Sky. He discounts returning to cycling until Froome retires......but not until Sky disappears.
In order to think that, he must view Sky as beatable, but not Froome which implies that he views Froome as having innate strengths over and above what Sky may have nurtured. Interestingly, he doesn't seem to be worried about another dominant rider coming through the Sky ranks.
It's all about Froome. No mention of Sky, no implication that he thinks magic SKY juice is responsible for Froome's strength because if it were it would be repeatable with another rider. He clearly views Froome as the strongest rider of his generation.
"to win the Tour de France but as long as Chris Froome is there, it will not happen. I'm waiting for the end of the Froome-age to get back in the peloton. But one thing is certain: I will come back to win the Tour."
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tinkov-ill-come-back-and-win-the-tour-de-france-when-froome-has-gone/
It's interesting that he implies that Froome will always be dominant.....not Sky. He discounts returning to cycling until Froome retires......but not until Sky disappears.
In order to think that, he must view Sky as beatable, but not Froome which implies that he views Froome as having innate strengths over and above what Sky may have nurtured. Interestingly, he doesn't seem to be worried about another dominant rider coming through the Sky ranks.
It's all about Froome. No mention of Sky, no implication that he thinks magic SKY juice is responsible for Froome's strength because if it were it would be repeatable with another rider. He clearly views Froome as the strongest rider of his generation.
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Opponents are not that interesting. I think of the effect he produces. The leaked data file Vayer 's published is interesting.
First attack to crack Contador and the then 1000W to sail past Quintana.
I don't buy the osymetric chainring talk. 6% gain other climbers would have die to gain that because of chainring.
Understanding how difficult it is for a top cyclist to become 6% better after a year of hard training if he had not been injured and lazy before.
This is not EPO we are talking about but minor thing, but we don't know the answer yet.
Poursuivant said:
Opponents are not that interesting. I think of the effect he produces. The leaked data file Vayer 's published is interesting.
First attack to crack Contador and the then 1000W to sail past Quintana.
I don't buy the osymetric chainring talk. 6% gain other climbers would have die to gain that because of chainring.
Understanding how difficult it is for a top cyclist to become 6% better after a year of hard training if he had not been injured and lazy before.
This is not EPO we are talking about but minor thing, but we don't know the answer yet.
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Who knows. If you read my posts you will see that my view is that all top teams are most likely doping, and to that extent I don't expect Tinkov to expose anybody.
The point of my last post is that Tinkov sees something in Froome that is beyond doping (and beyond Sky, actually). At least, that is my interpretation of what Tinkov is saying.
ebandit said:
Who knows. If you read my posts you will see that my view is that all top teams are most likely doping, and to that extent I don't expect Tinkov to expose anybody.
The point of my last post is that Tinkov sees something in Froome that is beyond doping (and beyond Sky, actually). At least, that is my interpretation of what Tinkov is saying.
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he is on the same 'climb' as he was in late summer 2011
that is what defies belief...or at least did until Moore/Swart cleared it up for us
Poursuivant said:
he is on the same 'climb' as he was in late summer 2011
that is what defies belief...or at least did until Moore/Swart cleared it up for us
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maybe its implied? Like, I couldn't see Froome ever leaving sky. Not unless it was a move in the last year or 2 of his career where he'd be mopping up appearance fees for low-level races (ala bradley). Though, Froome could win 20 tours and he'll still never be as marketable as bradley.
kwikki said:
maybe its implied? Like, I couldn't see Froome ever leaving sky. Not unless it was a move in the last year or 2 of his career where he'd be mopping up appearance fees for low-level races (ala bradley). Though, Froome could win 20 tours and he'll still never be as marketable as bradley.
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Tinkov is a clever dude and a blunt guy. Pretty sure he's implying I'll return if and when Froome gets popped and has to retire which will ultimately result in Sky having to disband.
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Agree with both.
Sky has budget to offer a strong team to a talented team leader. Froome currently looks to be the most talented.
You begin to wonder if it is a bit symbiotic. Could Froome succeed elsewhere?
With you on Wiggins vs Froome. I'll never warm to preppy boy Froome, but Wiggins was dragged up the hard way. Much more of a vulnerable, flawed character which for me makes him much more likeable than robotic Froome. Plus he goes 'off message' which is always a delight.
Sky has budget to offer a strong team to a talented team leader. Froome currently looks to be the most talented.
You begin to wonder if it is a bit symbiotic. Could Froome succeed elsewhere?
With you on Wiggins vs Froome. I'll never warm to preppy boy Froome, but Wiggins was dragged up the hard way. Much more of a vulnerable, flawed character which for me makes him much more likeable than robotic Froome. Plus he goes 'off message' which is always a delight.
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I agree. This is similar to the Basso whisper on the subject during BW's first win. Tinkov knows that SKY are protected in the manner of Armstrong and USP. There is nothing that can be done about it. LA was tolerated following Festina and similarly Froome and SKY are accommodated post-LA. There is a perception if not fear that if SKY are popped then the sport itself would be beyond salvation hence the omerta.
Pantani Attacks said:
I agree. This is similar to the Basso whisper on the subject during BW's first win. Tinkov knows that SKY are protected in the manner of Armstrong and USP. There is nothing that can be done about it. LA was tolerated following Festina and similarly Froome and SKY are accommodated post-LA. There is a perception if not fear that if SKY are popped then the sport itself would be beyond salvation hence the omerta.
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Why not simply accept that a British team has come along and is beating the dirty euros in their own game? Because that is all there is to it.
So this is the SKY/Froome/British Cycling fanboys' last hope and final narrative - that there is something there beyond drugs. I think we have seen this one before. Armstrong was it?kwikki said:
Why not simply accept that a British team has come along and is beating the dirty euros in their own game? Because that is all there is to it.
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I think you need to reread the last few pages. You haven't understood the conversation at all. Tinov's comments are about Froome. Not Sky. Not British Cycling.
Referring to people as 'fanboys' is to try and drag the conversation down to a puerile level.
Lyon said:
I think you need to reread the last few pages. You haven't understood the conversation at all. Tinov's comments are about Froome. Not Sky. Not British Cycling.
Referring to people as 'fanboys' is to try and drag the conversation down to a puerile level.
I guess this extends to any GT who has had continued success in a period. How do riders continue to never have a bad day? Froome rarely has a day that he looks weak and it has been 4 years now. Is it more good Luck that you do not get sick or feel blocked?
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If you are on some sort of performance enhancing drugs your body does not get depleted and fatigued leading a decrease in the immune system, Armstrong had pretty much the same, rarely had a "sans jour". Maybe it has to do with washing hands
Longer term effects, yet to be determined.
Scarponi said:
If you are on some sort of performance enhancing drugs your body does not get depleted and fatigued leading a decrease in the immune system, Armstrong had pretty much the same, rarely had a "sans jour". Maybe it has to do with washing hands
Longer term effects, yet to be determined.
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