Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[SeriousSam]

His pacing is probably based on some sort analysis of what's best for average pace up a climb and thanks to a power meter, he can stick to the plan. It takes a lot of confidence to do that, and there's a loss because you miss out on some drafting and many riders say it's psychologically easier to follow a wheel over and beyond drafting.

But it's clear stop and go climbing will produce a worse average pace and thus when someone TTs climbs, the pacing advantage may well outweigh the lack of drafting and the psychological difficulty (which for Froome anyway seems to be nonexistent, he's the least reliant on wheel to follow out of all the top GC riders)

 

[Angliru]

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His pacing is probably based on some sort analysis of what's best for average pace up a climb and thanks to a power meter, he can stick to the plan. It takes a lot of confidence to do that, and there's a loss because you miss out on some drafting and many riders say it's psychologically easier to follow a wheel over and beyond drafting.

But it's clear stop and go climbing will produce a worse average pace and thus when someone TTs climbs, the pacing advantage may well outweigh the lack of drafting and the psychological difficulty (which for Froome anyway seems to be nonexistent, he's the least reliant on wheel to follow out of all the top GC riders)

He mentioned that he'd done this climb before and had blown on it previously so I'm guessing that he chose to be more cautious this time around. I'm not sure at what point in the three weeks that it had taken place in his previous experiences though.

 

[Rollthedice]

Funny thing was that when he was dropped and while being paced up the climb by two teammates he kept talking on the radio. Asking for advice on what wattage should he push or desperately telling them to remotely switch on that damn motor?

 

[El Pistolero]

Probably a motor, he turns it on when no one's near him. This is the only explanation one can give for this donkey turned elite climber anyway. We're talking about the guy who got kicked out of the Giro because he couldn't climb fast enough for crying out loud. That never even happened to Cavendish.

Does he have video footage of Crookson cheating his wife or what?

 

[jilbiker]

Anyone see this picture title? "Winds up his moto"...emh...why use the word "moto"?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/froome-remains-in-vuelta-a-espana-contention-with-dramatic-bounce-back/

 

[jilbiker]

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Probably a motor, he turns it on when no one's near him. This is the only explanation one can give for this donkey turned elite climber anyway. We're talking about the guy who got kicked out of the Giro because he couldn't climb fast enough for crying out loud. That never even happened to Cavendish.

Does he have video footage of Crookson cheating his wife or what?

It was really strange. I did think that there was some extra push, it looked very unnatural. It looked so easy and i said does this guy have a different bike from other people? I would like to get that bike, I have looked for ways to make hill climbing easy...chuckle

 

[jilbiker]

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I honestly believe he does it because he can. To give himself a challenge AND to make his renaissance that much more dramatic and entertaining. He's toying with his opponents. It's as if he knows he can get away with falling off of the back and then returning triumphantly as the Anglo announcers hoot and holler over his magnificence

So why didn't he go for the win?

Correct its a psychological strategy, make the rivals feels he is a done deal then turn on the moto and sail past them.

 

[gillan1969]

he was in a big gear grinding over finish line...not seen that before...

 

[pastronef]

he was in a big gear grinding over finish line...not seen that before...

Fraile, Samu, Chaves, Konig, Silin etc all on the big ring over the line. just a few pics I saw on tdwsport.com

see Nairo big ring with 23 teeth rear, you know, things riders do. http://www.tdwsport.com/en/imagedesk/image-details/id/331187

 

[PremierAndrew]

he was in a big gear grinding over finish line...not seen that before...

There was a descent before the final kick up to the climb

 

[markene2]

My biggest gripe with Froome is that the seated accelerations looks way to unatural. It seemed like he was on a scooter ride up the mountain today..

 

[Pantani Attacks]

This rivals Ventoux in terms of obvious motor for sure. This whole Froome yo-yo bullsh*t is more pseudo science crap too. How anyone believes it is beyond me. Froome is not like a Sastre, never was and never will be.

 

[Amnes2015]

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This rivals Ventoux in terms of obvious motor for sure. This whole Froome yo-yo *******t is more pseudo science crap too. How anyone believes it is beyond me. Froome is not like a Sastre, never was and never will be.

i think the use of an electric magnet is obvious, they switch in on and off from the car, when he gets close to other riders the magnet goes on , he gets a push and the other riders are slowed

pretty basic and obvious

P.S. i think this is a quality post that fits perfectly with the thread.

 

[pastronef]

from the road race forum

Froome - Quintana- AC (accurate) gaps at different phases of today's stage:
(km to go indicates the distance of the race leader to the finish at the moment Froome/ AC pass at the exact location that Quintana has passed previously)

-10.0k -> 12s
-9.3k -> 17s
-8.9k -> 17s
-8.2k -> 17s
-7.5k -> 23s
-6.9k -> 35
-6.3k -> 39s AC Starts his attack
-5.9k -> 49s
-5.7k -> 41s Froome increases tempo
-5.5k -> 38s
-5.3k -> 35s
-4.8k -> 33s
-4.3k -> 29s
-3.0k -> 19s (8s to AC)
-2.5k -> 25s (Froome catches AC)
-1.9k ->30s (45s toAC)
-1.0k -> 30s
finish -> 25s

 

[bigcog]

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This rivals Ventoux in terms of obvious motor for sure. This whole Froome yo-yo *******t is more pseudo science crap too. How anyone believes it is beyond me. Froome is not like a Sastre, never was and never will be.

i think the use of an electric magnet is obvious, they switch in on and off from the car, when he gets close to other riders the magnet goes on , he gets a push and the other riders are slowed

pretty basic and obvious

P.S. i think this is a quality post that fits perfectly with the thread.

I think Sky are using some sort of anti-gravity device, they switch it on a Froome suddenly becomes a lot lighter in weight.Explains a lot

 

[carton]

he was in a big gear grinding over finish line...not seen that before...

Fraile, Samu, Chaves, Konig, Silin etc all on the big ring over the line. just a few pics I saw on tdwsport.com

see Nairo big ring with 23 teeth rear, you know, things riders do. http://www.tdwsport.com/en/imagedesk/image-details/id/331187

Funny. He does have a Pantani-esque flair to his riding, a little heavier yet more "natural looking" than his contemporaries. As you likely know that last cog is probably a 27 or even a 29, based on the gaps on those last two cogs. It probably cost him a second or two, he was having trouble finishing that sprint. But he wasn't about to test out how his EPS handles shifting his front ring under a 500W load. I think his team doesn't mind the extra wear on the chain.

Also, the Froome motor conspiracy has to be the most ridiculous thing in this forum.

 

[Irondan]

Unless anyone has any evidence of any kind that supports accusing Chris Froome of having a motor the silliness should stop.

Some of these accusations are based on nothing but tinfoil hattery.

If it's your opinion that Chris Froome is using a motor then please word your comment as such as per forum rules.

Please post links to material that back up claims and accusations, otherwise posting meritless, baseless comments will be moderated based on forum rules.

All forum rules are posted at the top of every sub forum.

 

[IzzyStradlin]

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Unless anyone has any evidence of any kind that supports accusing Chris Froome of having a motor the silliness should stop.

Some of these accusations are based on nothing but tinfoil hattery.

If it's your opinion that Chris Froome is using a motor then please word your comment as such as per forum rules.

Please post links to material that back up claims and accusations, otherwise posting meritless, baseless comments will be moderated based on forum rules.

All forum rules are posted at the top of every sub forum.

Maybe you missed this widely circulated video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1lFX9VpNBk

It shows Froome making several hard attacks, with a very awkward style, and his heart rate stays flat through it all.

Team Sky themselves said the data was leaked, not falsified.

It is widely thought that motors were used during this time, as the UCI did not check for them and there were several suspicious rides in big races that seemed to indicate motor use.

 

[Irondan]

Re: Re:

Unless anyone has any evidence of any kind that supports accusing Chris Froome of having a motor the silliness should stop.

Some of these accusations are based on nothing but tinfoil hattery.

If it's your opinion that Chris Froome is using a motor then please word your comment as such as per forum rules.

Please post links to material that back up claims and accusations, otherwise posting meritless, baseless comments will be moderated based on forum rules.

All forum rules are posted at the top of every sub forum.

Maybe you missed this widely circulated video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1lFX9VpNBk

It shows Froome making several hard attacks, with a very awkward style, and his heart rate stays flat through it all.

Team Sky themselves said the data was leaked, not falsified.

Yeah, I've never seen that video....

If that's what someone is using as their evidence then reference it as a link...

I thought it was pretty clear but I'll just refer you to the widely circulated forum rules to read, in case you missed them.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/viewtopic.php?p=1948393#p1948393

 

[gillan1969]

he was in a big gear grinding over finish line...not seen that before...

Fraile, Samu, Chaves, Konig, Silin etc all on the big ring over the line. just a few pics I saw on tdwsport.com

see Nairo big ring with 23 teeth rear, you know, things riders do. http://www.tdwsport.com/en/imagedesk/image-details/id/331187

yeah...just a comment...he is usually at 130rpm...not sure I've seen him at 50 before...well not since the giro ;-)

 

[deeno1975]

Froome explains (or tries to explain) his "miraculous recovery" on an Irish site, Sticky Bottle

http://www.stickybottle.com/latest-news/froome-explains-miraculous-recovery-on-vuelta-mountain/

 

[thehog]

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Froome explains (or tries to explain) his "miraculous recovery" on an Irish site, Sticky Bottle

http://www.stickybottle.com/latest-news/froome-explains-miraculous-recovery-on-vuelta-mountain/

Moto/doping speculation aside, 6.17w p/kg for 35 minutes is about right for Froome. It most certainly is in the higher questionable areas of wattage but that's not unusual for Froome.

 

[El Pistolero]

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Froome explains (or tries to explain) his "miraculous recovery" on an Irish site, Sticky Bottle

http://www.stickybottle.com/latest-news/froome-explains-miraculous-recovery-on-vuelta-mountain/

Moto/doping speculation aside, 6.17w p/kg for 35 minutes is about right for Froome. It most certainly is in the higher questionable areas of wattage but that's not unusual for Froome.

After a Tour de France. I'd say that's very unusual.

 

[thehog]

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Froome explains (or tries to explain) his "miraculous recovery" on an Irish site, Sticky Bottle

http://www.stickybottle.com/latest-news/froome-explains-miraculous-recovery-on-vuelta-mountain/

Moto/doping speculation aside, 6.17w p/kg for 35 minutes is about right for Froome. It most certainly is in the higher questionable areas of wattage but that's not unusual for Froome.

After a Tour de France. I'd say that's very unusual.

Yes, that I agree with. Quintana I don't have a huge issue with, his weight works well for him on these steeper climbs. Froome is rather worrying considering he will also smash the TTs and Quintana will need about 3 minutes by that point.

 

[hfer07]

Last night I re watched the stage, trying to make sense of what Froome did......

I still can't , but I noticed two different paces - One set by his crew when he started losing ground, which appeared to be "within the norm" - once all the help was gone the 2nd one was unleashed - the "magic Yo-Yo stroke" appeared and he was off passing riders by in the saddle with an inexplicable ease, while everybody in the race was suffering..... there were those aerial pictures showing him passing people like nothing-- it was like a flashback to LA's 2000 Hautacam - but then Froome was all the time in the damn saddle

101 on Cycling tell us when a rider needs to either open a gap or catch the ones on front, bigger gears are necessary to go faster....... with Froome is the opposite: lowest gears on cruise mode will do instead .......

it was so sickening to watch that BS.......