Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[Fergoose]

UK state TV not pulling any punches which is nice to see. Probably the least surprising development that shows once more that there is no "pro-Sky" conspiracy. The test happened on Cookson's watch.

I'm utterly convinced Froome is a fraud but I'll be interested to see if this result will lead back to PEDs.

 

[MartinGT]

How long do you think until this is sorted? In time for the Giro?

 

[topt]

Mrs Wiggins isn’t happy
https://twitter.com/willwrite4cake/status/940958567984697344

 

[rainman]

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Mrs Wiggins isn’t happy
https://twitter.com/willwrite4cake/status/940958567984697344

No chance of a coxless pairs place with Wiggo then?

 

[Ironhead Slim]

That made me actually laugh out loud and spit on my computer screen!

 

[brownbobby]

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UK state TV not pulling any punches which is nice to see. Probably the least surprising development that shows once more that there is no "pro-Sky" conspiracy. The test happened on Cookson's watch.

I'm utterly convinced Froome is a fraud but I'll be interested to see if this result will lead back to PEDs.

No surprises there. We love nothing more than dragging down our sports stars at every opportunity in the UK.

 

[Chipist]

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If an improved ephedrine were available, would bodybuilders and those desiring fat loss want it? For many that’s an obvious yes, and albuterol is their improved ephedrine.

Finally, had to read all today's posts before someone put 2 and 2 together. Go read the bodybuilding forums. They are using salbutamol orally in high doses for the cutting/fat loss phase. Maybe he was doing this out of competition and extracted a bag at the same time that had high levels of salbutamol still. Maybe he then had a top up before stage 18 that pushed him over? Maybe?.....

https://thinksteroids.com/steroid-profiles/albuterol/

 

[brownbobby]

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Mrs Wiggins isn’t happy
https://twitter.com/willwrite4cake/status/940958567984697344

No chance of a coxless pairs place with Wiggo then?

Fake account I think. Although I can imagine her saying something like that :lol:

 

[Breh]

I really really hope this will be his downfall.

UCI worries me though. They have known for too long and probably never wanted to say communicate anything about it if it wasnt for The Guardian and Le Monde probably.

 

[Red Rick]

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I really really hope this will be his downfall.

UCI worries me though. They have known for too long and probably never wanted to say communicate anything about it if it wasnt for The Guardian and Le Monde probably.

Similar thing happened with Contador though.

 

[telencefalus]

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Everyone laughing at Chris Froome, Sky, Dave Brailsford and all the other hypocrites out there that no doubt deserve this fate seem to be missing the bigger picture in that this is AWFUL for pro cycling! A four time Tour De France champion has just been given back an AAF and people are laughing about it like it's funny or good for cycling when it's not funny at all, although it does feel good to be proven right it's not a laughing matter if you're a fan of pro cycling. I suppose the snipers of the world are having a good time with this but personally, I think this is just another black mark on a sport that has too many black marks to it's credit.

I love pro cycling and feel like I've been punched in the gut even though I'm not at all a Chris Froome or Team Sky fan.

Someday, all these doping scandals are going to catch up to the sport, is this the day?

That day will be when we will found that FROOME used a MOTOR on ventoux , but in the mind of people with a little bit of intelligence that is a certain thing

I have a little bit of intelligence. I once got a gold star at school to prove it. It's not a certain thing in my mind.

Right you have a bit of intelligence is not a certain thing is an ALMOST certain thing

I know one poster who does not demonstrate any intelligence (or ability to utilize syntax correctly).
Asides from that, I do not think that it is almost certain Froome used a motor on Ventoux.
It goes to show how sad this day has been for me, that I am responding to your cathartic, emotive-laden, unintelligible posts.
However, I do agree with you that Froome has (almost) certainly been cheating. He deserves any punishment he gets, including being stripped of titles and bans.

Hello , this is clearly a direct personal attack , however i'm not english speaking so i let you have your conclusion about syntax but now that i think your insults are a medal of honour for me
Froome has made a lot of "fan" sad , i'm so sorry for you naive fan

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Nibali quoted in Gazzetta (my translation)

http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/13-12-2017/froome-positivo-nibali-non-grande-giorno-il-ciclismo-240192152244.shtml

"For cycling it is not a great day, as it is not for him, sure".
"I won't go into the merits I'd prefer to wait for the conclusions",
"If the positive is confirmed, no one can give me the thrill of winning the Vuelta again and getting on the top step of the podium in Madrid."

 

[BullsFan22]

Similar case to Martin Johnsrud Sundby, a Norwegian XC skier who was caught doping (in two separate races, mind you) with this substance in his body in December 2014 and in Early Jan 2015. The amount found was even more than Froome, and he only got a two month summer suspension in mid july 2016. 18 months AFTER his positive tests! So the UCI keeping this quiet for this amount is almost minuscule compared to what the International Ski Federation (FIS) did with the Sundby positive(s). Sundby's federation also paid for everything, though he did lose his overall WC title that season. Still, it was not a very hard consequence.

 

[jmdirt]

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Geraint on athletes with asthma

http://road.cc/content/news/214380-interview-geraint-thomas-tues-disc-brakes-shane-sutton-and-more

Saying people with asthma shouldn't be doing competitive sport is like saying people with glasses shouldn't be allowed to drive a car since they're slightly hampered by a condition they can't control. Although I myself never seeked measurements like Froome when doing competitive sports.

Look at wellens, he has a heat allergy and therefore decided to not ride in the hottest conditions (tdf).

So you are advocating for the slippery gray rule: Low T, top it off with syn T, low hemog, top it off with CERA, low lung function, jack 'em open with salbu, low on watts, grab a motor... It sucks that you were born with an issue like that, but many people were born with or without things that will keep them from competing at the top level (or competing at all).

 

[The Hitch]

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I think people are wishful thinking that this is the end of Sky & Froome. He will have the defence of it was the doctor and he seems to have the backing of SDB.

Think you could be wrong on that. According to a 'in the know' poster on bike radar DB can't stand CF or his wife and if you look at statement from Sky the emphasis was on Froome not Team Sky, as in throw him under the bus and save Team Sky.

Would that poster be you? Pretending to be in the know?

Also had to laugh at the " in the know poster at bike radar". Isnt that where pharmatrong beliebers to the end like blazing saddles were held in high regard as knowledgablle posters?

 

[MartinGT]

Isn't Froome held in Teflon regard on bike radar? BTW where is rick?

 

[Wiggo's Package]

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Latest from Kelner and Ingle at the Guardian who broke the story this morning

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/dec/13/froome-failed-drugs-test-end-for-team-sky

"it could also be a final nail in the already battered coffin of Team Sky..."

 

[keeponrollin]

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I honestly never thought we'd seem Froome go down...

and you still haven't.

They'll take the Vuelta off him, & give him a 3-4 month ban; but it'll all be just a horrible mistake, & down to Froome unique blood again, or some such BS. He'll be back in time for a few classics.

 

[movingtarget]

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If they get away with this, I'm truly done with "pro" cycling.
Hopefully Sky will crumble.

remind me how many positive tests Astana had between pro team and U23 in the last ten years?
they got away with that

I recall Astana being denied entry in the Tour. How is that getting away with it?

I think they were pretty close to being kicked off the Pro Tour altogether.

 

[MarkvW]

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Mrs Wiggins isn’t happy
https://twitter.com/willwrite4cake/status/940958567984697344

I like "slithering reptile!"

 

[thehog]

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I think people are wishful thinking that this is the end of Sky & Froome. He will have the defence of it was the doctor and he seems to have the backing of SDB.

Think you could be wrong on that. According to a 'in the know' poster on bike radar DB can't stand CF or his wife and if you look at statement from Sky the emphasis was on Froome not Team Sky, as in throw him under the bus and save Team Sky.

Would that poster be you? Pretending to be in the know?

Also had to laugh at the " in the know poster at bike radar". Isnt that where pharmatrong beliebers to the end like blazing saddles were held in high regard as knowledgablle posters?

It’s a little quiet over there at BR today. Naturally this was just a mistake by Froome but most appear resigned that he will be suspended.

 

[thehog]

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Latest from Kelner and Ingle at the Guardian who broke the story this morning

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/dec/13/froome-failed-drugs-test-end-for-team-sky

"it could also be a final nail in the already battered coffin of Team Sky..."

Very good article. Without the leak I don’t think anyone would have found out. Froome was certainly acting as if nothing was wrong and it was going to be “taken care of”. Cookson’s departure came at a bad time for Sky.

They should have held onto Landa!

 

[movingtarget]

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For the team's sake they need to have medical records that have already been turned over and stand up to forensic scrutiny.

To a layman, double concentration seems somewhat high even if he was puffing to the limit. Looking at the WADA code that's 8 puffs of a 100 mcg inhaler in a 12 hour period (and 16 puffs in a 24 hour period). If he was using a 200 mcg inhaler by accident, or didn't realise the 8-in-12 part then that could explain it. Other forms still seem to be banned. I wonder now if there's some trick with a spacer to get maximum uptake of salbutamol from 800 mcg.

If I needed that many puffs of an inhaler, I don't think medical advice would be to cycle up a hill.

A spacer stops leakage so you get the maximum benefit from the puff. 16 puffs in a 24 hour period is quite a lot, at that stage even gentle exercise would not be easy and the asthmatic would already be thinking that the Ventolin is not working very well so it's off to the doctor.

I do not believe a minute he got that amount puffing. The stage took good 5 hours and I bet he wasn't puffing during the stage. And half of the dose evaporates from system in 6 hours, so the value before the stage (if puffing) had to be more than double than what the test gives as result. He was on pills or Sky is secretely using nebulizers.

To me it sounds more like injections but over what amount of time ? And maybe some puffs during the stage. It couldn't be one injection before the stage because the amount is too high and could be dangerous especially for the heart. Pills probably take longer to work than puffers unless he takes one the night before followed by an injection before the stage and then some spray before the end of the stage. For a typical asthmatic it's a lot of Ventolin and someone with chronic asthma cannot do much sport apart from walking and gentle exercise. Froome may have had asthma since childhood, a condition that has to be controlled but he obviously isn't the type of asthmatic that is in and out of hospital. Bronchitis or a heavy cold while competing would make his asthma much worse. Exercise induced asthma where you can get by with a few puffs here and there is very different to the worst type of chronic asthma. It will be interesting to see what defense Froome uses for such a high reading. Based on what others have also done with Salbutamol it's hard to see him not getting banned because you know already what the reaction from other teams will be if he isn't and with Wiggins and now Froome many will assume that where there is smoke there is fire and if the highest profile riders are pushing the boundaries what are the others doing ?

Some rivals and fans will want to gloat of course but from any angle,this is bad for the sport, a sport that can't afford to keep leaking fans and sponsors where often it is the riders with the best results being found out and it probably goes beyond that with cities also losing interest in hosting stages or holding races and TV broadcasters with declining amounts of viewers, just pulling the plug. Bergen was a financial disaster hosting the Worlds even though it could pay off for them in tourist dollars. Pro cycling has been skirting the precipice for a while now and it won't take much more of this sort of thing to damage it for the foreseeable future. I still don't think it has recovered from the Armstrong debacle and when there is controversy, negative media, doping bans and world economic conditions changing you wonder what is in store for the sport. Already many races have disappeared including some famous traditional ones in countries where pro cycling is highly regarded. I wonder what a junior world champion is thinking at the moment or someone who has their mind set on a career in pro cycling ?

 

[The Hitch]

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How many GT's do the Contador fans now think Froome has won?

zero zero zero zero zero zero zero zero zero zero zero zero cinco

Nice one

 

[mrhender]

Funny how the official notification was on BC (brian's) last day at the office. A conspiracy nut would claim, that this one was going to be solved among friends (BC=BC=SKY)

I can see this dragging on for years though. Sky and Froome can use a few months turdpolishing and the case will be mostly a distant distraction by july.