Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[Koronin]

And maybe when Froome made his statement he hadn’t sat down and studied the timings km by km. Maybe he’d got better things to do....how foolish of him, not realising that every single syllable of every word he ever says will be studied and eventually spun to illustrate the fact that he’s the most reprehensible creature ever to walk the earth, let alone ride a bike

You don't find it a little hypocritical and reprehensible that Froome goes out and bashes sceptics by calling them "uneducated Twitter trolls" when the sceptics are in the right and have all the evidence to prove it? Turns out it was Froome who was "uneducated" about his own ride all along.

Actually he's starting to sound and act a lot like Lance.

 

[Jagartrott]

And maybe when Froome made his statement he hadn’t sat down and studied the timings km by km. Maybe he’d got better things to do....how foolish of him, not realising that every single syllable of every word he ever says will be studied and eventually spun to illustrate the fact that he’s the most reprehensible creature ever to walk the earth, let alone ride a bike

Accusing people of 'jumping to conclusions' and 'not taking their time' to analyse, when in fact you yourself (i.e. Froome) are doing exactly that is rather stupid and/or hypocritical. You defending him because he 'had better things to do', is, er, rather funny.

 

[hazaran]

Everyone losing their mind about 3 minutes. Then you look at the climbing speeds:

http://www.climbing-records.com/2018/05/froome-in-maglia-rosa-after-80-km-raid.html

And guess what, they were not just doing the descents at Reichenbach speeds, they were *climbing* at Reichenbach speed. So yeah, Froome taking out 3 minutes over a fricking Reichenbach? Stop the presses!
When they hit the final climb and finally left Reichenbach behind most of them were significantly faster than Froome or entirely equal (Dumoulin).

 

[bigcog]

Re: Re:

[quote="bigcog

That wasn't my point, it was how accurate were these figures that were being bandied about were and that's all.

fair enough

I really am not gonna watch that - incredible, Yes I Loved it - stage again and time the difference. Froomey had 42 seconde on top of Finestre and around 1.40 minutes entering the valley. The rest was false piano in head wind, ascending in head wind, a short downhill and then on the Jafferau. That's 1.40 minutes extra isnt it?

Yes, that adds up given what he said.

 

[thehog]

And maybe when Froome made his statement he hadn’t sat down and studied the timings km by km. Maybe he’d got better things to do....how foolish of him, not realising that every single syllable of every word he ever says will be studied and eventually spun to illustrate the fact that he’s the most reprehensible creature ever to walk the earth, let alone ride a bike

You don't find it a little hypocritical and reprehensible that Froome goes out and bashes sceptics by calling them "uneducated Twitter trolls" when the sceptics are in the right and have all the evidence to prove it? Turns out it was Froome who was "uneducated" about his own ride all along.

Exactly but a lot of the bots want to make excuses for Froome. If he was clean then he’d have no problem telling the truth. But when it comes to data Froome is forever concealing.

 

[Rollthedice]

Re:

Everyone losing their mind about 3 minutes. Then you look at the climbing speeds:

http://www.climbing-records.com/2018/05/froome-in-maglia-rosa-after-80-km-raid.html

And guess what, they were not just doing the descents at Reichenbach speeds, they were *climbing* at Reichenbach speed. So yeah, Froome taking out 3 minutes over a fricking Reichenbach? Stop the presses!
When they hit the final climb and finally left Reichenbach behind most of them were significantly faster than Froome or entirely equal (Dumoulin).

If you haven't read this then do it:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/philippa-york-chris-froome-and-trying-to-understand-the-unbelievable/

Context is the key not some climbing speeds. As far as what time and when Froome gained, the Reichenbach narrative has no relevance, Froome took about 40 sec on Finestre and 50 on Sestriere, no Reichenbach involved in first and on the second they changed in front. For Jafferau of course the two wheelsuckers went faster, they had other business to do and finally Dumoulin matched Froome. I would add, again in the context that Froome was so fresh next stage that if needed he could've taken whatever time was needed to win. By all accounts, Dawg's antics on stage 19 were out of this world.

 

[DFA123]

Re: Re:

Everyone losing their mind about 3 minutes. Then you look at the climbing speeds:

http://www.climbing-records.com/2018/05/froome-in-maglia-rosa-after-80-km-raid.html

And guess what, they were not just doing the descents at Reichenbach speeds, they were *climbing* at Reichenbach speed. So yeah, Froome taking out 3 minutes over a fricking Reichenbach? Stop the presses!
When they hit the final climb and finally left Reichenbach behind most of them were significantly faster than Froome or entirely equal (Dumoulin).

If you haven't read this then do it:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/philippa-york-chris-froome-and-trying-to-understand-the-unbelievable/

Context is the key not some climbing speeds. As far as what time and when Froome gained, the Reichenbach narrative has no relevance, Froome took about 40 sec on Finestre and 50 on Sestriere, no Reichenbach involved in first and on the second they changed in front.

There's a lot of innuendo in that article, which is fair enough, but I don't really get what is the wider point she is trying to make? That Froome is doping and that his rivals aren't? Or that he has access to better doping products / methods?

I'm still not sure what exactly his performance on the Finestre stage tell us that we didn't already suspect? What exactly happened there that has resulted in such a wealth of articles and hand wringing? The watts weren't really *that* impressive, the opposition was pretty second rate compared with those he destroyed on Ventoux or PSM.

It really wasn't the most unbelievable thing that he has done. It was absolutely in line with everything we have seen since his 2011 transformation.

 

[hazaran]

Re: Re:

If you haven't read this then do it:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/philippa-york-chris-froome-and-trying-to-understand-the-unbelievable/

Context is the key not some climbing speeds. As far as what time and when Froome gained, the Reichenbach narrative has no relevance, Froome took about 40 sec on Finestre and 50 on Sestriere, no Reichenbach involved in first and on the second they changed in front. For Jafferau of course the two wheelsuckers went faster, they had other business to do and finally Dumoulin matched Froome. I would add, again in the context that Froome was so fresh next stage that if needed he could've taken whatever time was needed to win. By all accounts, Dawg's antics on stage 19 were out of this world.

Did you even watch the stage? It's kinda annoying discussing this if you didn't, then we can cut this short. Because anybody watching the stage clearly saw the gap suddenly go out from 20s to 40s on the Zoncolan because they were waiting on Reichenbach, who obviously didn't catch them on the descent. And that slipstream ride on the Sestriere behind a Pinot going 80% was worth about 10 watts and negative time.

 

[ScienceIsCool]

Feels like BikeRadar here at times, you have to dumb everything down...

Been seeing this a lot. First, it’s not true. It was 49% on climbs, 29% on descents, 22% on flats. Second, it means working (hard) the whole time, no respite, no shelter, & still taking time. If anything, the numbers make the performance MORE remarkable. They’re not mitigating

ES stated he gained over a minute, actually think they stated 1.40 on the descents or half the time gained, the following day on stage 20. Wonder where they got that figure from.

There’s only one person I trust and he sat down with the replay, and put a km by km time gain / loss on his blog. That’s where these figures come from. Not the BikeRadar / Carlton Kirby fan club

Whatever the numbers, his ride that day was simply out-Landis-h...

John Swanson

 

[Rollthedice]

Re: Re:

If you haven't read this then do it:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/philippa-york-chris-froome-and-trying-to-understand-the-unbelievable/

Context is the key not some climbing speeds. As far as what time and when Froome gained, the Reichenbach narrative has no relevance, Froome took about 40 sec on Finestre and 50 on Sestriere, no Reichenbach involved in first and on the second they changed in front. For Jafferau of course the two wheelsuckers went faster, they had other business to do and finally Dumoulin matched Froome. I would add, again in the context that Froome was so fresh next stage that if needed he could've taken whatever time was needed to win. By all accounts, Dawg's antics on stage 19 were out of this world.

Did you even watch the stage? It's kinda annoying discussing this if you didn't, then we can cut this short. Because anybody watching the stage clearly saw the gap suddenly go out from 20s to 40s on the Zoncolan because they were waiting on Reichenbach, who obviously didn't catch them on the descent. And that slipstream ride on the Sestriere behind a Pinot going 80% was worth about 10 watts and negative time.

I did watch the stage though it made me puke. You on the other hand saw an ascent on Zoncolan with Dumoulin waiting for Reichenbach who was behind to pull him up the "Zoncolan" to catch Froome's attack. That's all and I'm out.

 

[thehog]

Feels like BikeRadar here at times, you have to dumb everything down...

Been seeing this a lot. First, it’s not true. It was 49% on climbs, 29% on descents, 22% on flats. Second, it means working (hard) the whole time, no respite, no shelter, & still taking time. If anything, the numbers make the performance MORE remarkable. They’re not mitigating

ES stated he gained over a minute, actually think they stated 1.40 on the descents or half the time gained, the following day on stage 20. Wonder where they got that figure from.

There’s only one person I trust and he sat down with the replay, and put a km by km time gain / loss on his blog. That’s where these figures come from. Not the BikeRadar / Carlton Kirby fan club

Whatever the numbers, his ride that day was simply out-Landis-h...

John Swanson

It’s kinda odd that every time Froome does one of his full genius rides there’s a massive effort to downplay it as ‘normal’. PSM comes to mind and now Fridays effort.

 

[purcell]

Re: Re:

At this point, the real question is:

WHY NOT GOING FOR THE """TRIPLE"""" THIS YEAR?
WHY NOT? WHY STOPPING AT LE TOUR WHEN HE & SKY CAN GO ALL THE WAY TO SPAIN .......

The sport has fallen into the horrors & shames of the Armstrong era yet again, so why not going full genius this time around? Froome & SKY have no shame, they care less, ASO or UCI either for that matter...

Actually they do that will prove without a shadow of a doubt they are into major doping. When Valverde, well known as the most consistent rider in the peloton, can't top 10 in all 3 GTs in one year we know if anyone does better they are heavily doping. Truthfully I think in some ways this is actually worse than the Armstrong era simply because fans are much more cynical to begin with and I think (or it appears) that both fans and other riders are more willing to call it out as well.

Oh, we are long past any credible comparisons to any past eras. At least “champions” of the past had the sense not try and rub everyne’s Noses in it. These guys seem to doing it on purpose, just to prove that they can get away with anything, with no fear of being caught.

I don’t know what the “pictures they must have” are, but they seem to have pretty impressive armour playing.

 

[terribleone]

Strange place for a chain catcher no? Underneath the bb...?

http://www.velonews.com/2018/05/giro-ditalia/spotted-chris-froomes-custom-3d-printed-chain-keeper_466861

 

[rata de sentina]

Whatever the numbers, his ride that day was simply out-Landis-h...

Nice work

 

[rata de sentina]

Re: Re:

Because anybody watching the stage clearly saw the gap suddenly go out from 20s to 40s on the Zoncolan because they were waiting on Reichenbach, who obviously didn't catch them on the descent.

You are kind of shooting yourself in the foot there because that didn't happen. The only waiting on the Finestre (not Zoncolan) which may or may not have happened was when Pinot had his mechanical near the top Dumoulin may have eased off a bit.

 

[Froomster]

Re: Re:

After victories in the TDF and Vuelta, CF will go to the Worlds and launch from 50K out to win the road-race title. Sagan, Terpstra, Gilbert, and Van Avermaet form the chase group, but unable to follow. :lol:

He will also enter and scorch the field in this year's New York Marathon.

 

[zlev11]

any idea what he's pressing (with 600 meters to go on stage 19)?

here's a video someone just tweeted:
https://twitter.com/DeniseBayliss/status/1001207828370087937

 

[TeflonDub]

Re:

any idea what he's pressing (with 600 meters to go on stage 19)?

here's a video someone just tweeted:
https://twitter.com/DeniseBayliss/status/1001207828370087937

Just going down through the arrival check list:

1. Commence shutdown of engines one and two
2. Set fazers to stun
3. Get a bit out of breath in preparation for the interviews by having to pedal
4. Practice coughing

 

[MikeS369]

Re:

any idea what he's pressing (with 600 meters to go on stage 19)?

here's a video someone just tweeted:
https://twitter.com/DeniseBayliss/status/1001207828370087937

Meh. Could be nothing more than a shifter button.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Feels like BikeRadar here at times, you have to dumb everything down...

Been seeing this a lot. First, it’s not true. It was 49% on climbs, 29% on descents, 22% on flats. Second, it means working (hard) the whole time, no respite, no shelter, & still taking time. If anything, the numbers make the performance MORE remarkable. They’re not mitigating

Hmmmm.. Seems a whole lot like a bunch of teams got paid to give the race to Froome. That's never happened before... Oh, wait.. Yes it has!

Vinokourov...
Armstrong..
Long, long, LONG ago Verbruggen's campaign to become President of the UCI was ending race fixing.

I bet there was a super bonus for landing grand tour podium #5?

 

[brownbobby]

And maybe when Froome made his statement he hadn’t sat down and studied the timings km by km. Maybe he’d got better things to do....how foolish of him, not realising that every single syllable of every word he ever says will be studied and eventually spun to illustrate the fact that he’s the most reprehensible creature ever to walk the earth, let alone ride a bike

You don't find it a little hypocritical and reprehensible that Froome goes out and bashes sceptics by calling them "uneducated Twitter trolls" when the sceptics are in the right and have all the evidence to prove it? Turns out it was Froome who was "uneducated" about his own ride all along.

Exactly but a lot of the bots want to make excuses for Froome. If he was clean then he’d have no problem telling the truth. But when it comes to data Froome is forever concealing.

A little bit stupid and hypocritical? Yes, of course it was, we all know Sky/Froome are guilty of this regularly. But proof of some doping cover up (referring to the Froome statement about time gains)? Not really.

 

[brownbobby]

Re:

any idea what he's pressing (with 600 meters to go on stage 19)?

here's a video someone just tweeted:

https://twitter.com/DeniseBayliss/status/1001207828370087937

He’s shifting his hands about on the bars. It’s what you do when you’re riding a bike occasionally to stay comfortable
FFS

 

[glassmoon]

Re: Re:

any idea what he's pressing (with 600 meters to go on stage 19)?

here's a video someone just tweeted:

https://twitter.com/DeniseBayliss/status/1001207828370087937

He’s shifting his hands about on the bars. It’s what you do when you’re riding a bike occasionally to stay comfortable
FFS

yep

 

[aphronesis]

Really? I go hours without moving my hands. You sure about this?

 

[MartinGT]

Re:

any idea what he's pressing (with 600 meters to go on stage 19)?

here's a video someone just tweeted:
https://twitter.com/DeniseBayliss/status/1001207828370087937

That photo there he looks one of the most awful amateur bike riders ever. He looks like a sportive chopper out for a ride who's about to bonk.

Yet he crosses the line looking like he could have done the full stage solo!