Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[thehog]

Probably important to add that Fluticasone is banned in competition despite Froome using it. Presumably out of competition?

Ventolin and Salbutamol are the same thing. Not that this matters whatsoever in a doping thread I just find it funny that he names the same thing twice, as I presume he would know they're the same.

EDIT - and after I posted this, I then read Hog's comment about basically the same. Doh!

The main point being is he is taking preventive asthma medication and some how still needed to take 845 puffs on his regular inhaler before an interview

 

[samhocking]

Preventative though, that's how you use it? As an athlete you can't easily and don't want to be using a blue inhaler at the pointy end of a race gasping for breath and racing, so best to use your brown inhaler before stage and in quiet moments of the race to not get any asthma because that doesn't have any restrictions/threshold or requires a TUE such as Fluticasone and then use the more restricted Salbutomol once the stage is finished as required within threshold where you have more control over intake amounts.

 

[gillan1969]

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Preventative though, that's how you use it? As an athlete you can't easily and don't want to be using a blue inhaler at the pointy end of a race gasping for breath and racing, so best to use your brown inhaler before stage and in quiet moments of the race to not get any asthma because that doesn't have any restrictions/threshold or requires a TUE such as Fluticasone and then use the more restricted Salbutomol once the stage is finished as required within threshold where you have more control over intake amounts.

so we all laughed at Froome taking post-race pre-press puffs but this is actually the established protocol?

 

[samhocking]

Yes. Use a WADA unrestricted preventer like Fluticasone inhaler to prevent getting asthma before and during the stage and then a Salbutomol inhaler after the main effort at the end of the race when you need it and might be suffering more from EIA temporarily. For most asthma I believe most athletes just use combination inhalers containing both Fluticasone and Salbutomol (Wiggins TUE noted Fluticasone in the notes as part of Salbutomol TUE for example even though inhaled Fluticosone is legal and doesn't need a TUE even back then) as that's all they need unless their asthma gets worse and then they'll probably use the reliever separately. For very mild asthma the blue inhaler is enough of a preventer too anyway I believe.

 

[rick james]

I take symbicort ( red inhaler) as prevention, and I use the bricanyl (blue inhaler) for when things start getting tight, I also take a steroid called singulair as you can see as soon as I’ve shifted this extra weight I’ll be ready for le tour

 

[samhocking]

OK, so you take Symbicort which is a combination inhaler containing Budesonide (steroid) & formoterol (beta 2) combined like Wiggins that both prevents and/or relieves most situations and then if things get further restricted you take the Bricanyl (Trade name for Terbutaline) which is your separate beta 2 as required to control your attacks.

 

[rick james]

So what your saying is the tour is maybe out the question but I could do Paris- Nice??

 

[samhocking]

Yep, you need to separate your inhalers out to win Le Tour ; )

 

[masking_agent]

So in Froome's case, I wonder how many blood bags he will be taking with him or will be made available for him during le Tour ?

 

[rick james]

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So in Froome's case, I wonder how many blood bags he will be taking with him or will be made available for him during le Tour ?

Doesn’t need blood bags, he’s doped up on that amazing asthma medication, EPO has nothing on salbutamol

 

[silvergrenade]

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So in Froome's case, I wonder how many blood bags he will be taking with him or will be made available for him during le Tour ?

Valverde would know since he's the pinnacle of Blood Bags in the sport. :lol:
If you wanna ask about inhalers, go right ahead.
For clenbuterol, we have the Contadope. :lol:

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Probably important to add that Fluticasone is banned in competition despite Froome using it. Presumably out of competition?

Pretty soon, we're going to find out that he's had Ebola since he was 3, because having diseases and medical conditions are marginal gains. Sky is out cruising the children's ward of hospitals everywhere, looking for the next Chris Froome.

I'm just super sad for Chrissy, that he suffered in silence for so many years...

Chris Froome goes in for his medical pre-Vuelta

 

[red_flanders]

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So in Froome's case, I wonder how many blood bags he will be taking with him or will be made available for him during le Tour ?

Doesn’t need blood bags, he’s doped up on that amazing asthma medication, EPO has nothing on salbutamol

I hope you don't actually believe that because he got popped for Salbutamol abuse that this means that's all he's doing.

 

[rick james]

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So in Froome's case, I wonder how many blood bags he will be taking with him or will be made available for him during le Tour ?

Doesn’t need blood bags, he’s doped up on that amazing asthma medication, EPO has nothing on salbutamol

I hope you don't actually believe that because he got popped for Salbutamol abuse that this means that's all he's doing.

we can only go on facts, any thing else is guess work

 

[gillan1969]

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So in Froome's case, I wonder how many blood bags he will be taking with him or will be made available for him during le Tour ?

Doesn’t need blood bags, he’s doped up on that amazing asthma medication, EPO has nothing on salbutamol

I hope you don't actually believe that because he got popped for Salbutamol abuse that this means that's all he's doing.

we can only go on facts, any thing else is guess work

guess which american former multi GT winner they used to say that about?

there's guess work and there's educated guess work

 

[silvergrenade]

Re: Re:

So in Froome's case, I wonder how many blood bags he will be taking with him or will be made available for him during le Tour ?

Doesn’t need blood bags, he’s doped up on that amazing asthma medication, EPO has nothing on salbutamol

I hope you don't actually believe that because he got popped for Salbutamol abuse that this means that's all he's doing.

we can only go on facts, any thing else is guess work

guess which american former multi GT winner they used to say that about?

there's guess work and there's educated guess work

Guess which Italian, Spanish, Columbian, Belgian have said the same. :lol:

 

[Blanco]

Re: Re:

So in Froome's case, I wonder how many blood bags he will be taking with him or will be made available for him during le Tour ?

Valverde would know since he's the pinnacle of Blood Bags in the sport. :lol:
If you wanna ask about inhalers, go right ahead.
For clenbuterol, we have the Contadope. :lol:

For blood bags ask Nibali
Valverde is EPO-microdosing
Froome is the moto-man.

 

[silvergrenade]

Re: Re:

So in Froome's case, I wonder how many blood bags he will be taking with him or will be made available for him during le Tour ?

Valverde would know since he's the pinnacle of Blood Bags in the sport. :lol:
If you wanna ask about inhalers, go right ahead.
For clenbuterol, we have the Contadope. :lol:

For blood bags ask Nibali
Valverde is EPO-microdosing
Froome is the moto-man.

Really?
We'd have to ask Armstrong if he actually was the moto-man helping him.
I'm pretty sure he'll say no. :lol: :lol:

 

[Blanco]

Re: Re:

So in Froome's case, I wonder how many blood bags he will be taking with him or will be made available for him during le Tour ?

Valverde would know since he's the pinnacle of Blood Bags in the sport. :lol:
If you wanna ask about inhalers, go right ahead.
For clenbuterol, we have the Contadope. :lol:

For blood bags ask Nibali
Valverde is EPO-microdosing
Froome is the moto-man.

Really?
We'd have to ask Armstrong if he actually was the moto-man helping him.
I'm pretty sure he'll say no. :lol: :lol:

 

[red_flanders]

Re: Re:

So in Froome's case, I wonder how many blood bags he will be taking with him or will be made available for him during le Tour ?

Doesn’t need blood bags, he’s doped up on that amazing asthma medication, EPO has nothing on salbutamol

I hope you don't actually believe that because he got popped for Salbutamol abuse that this means that's all he's doing.

we can only go on facts, any thing else is guess work

The question is what you believe not what you know or can prove. What we know leaves little to discuss.

 

[King Boonen]

Mod hat on:

Please cut out the off-topic name-baiting everyone.

Cheers,

KB.

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

So in Froome's case, I wonder how many blood bags he will be taking with him or will be made available for him during le Tour ?

Doesn’t need blood bags, he’s doped up on that amazing asthma medication, EPO has nothing on salbutamol

I hope you don't actually believe that because he got popped for Salbutamol abuse that this means that's all he's doing.

we can only go on facts, any thing else is guess work

The only guessing is what he is taking with the huge doses of Salbutamol.

PEDs and a motor are in use, no guessing needed. To break it down to what chemicals and who makes the motor is all that is left.

 

[Merckx index]

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The only guessing is what he is taking with the huge doses of Salbutamol.

PEDs and a motor are in use, no guessing needed. To break it down to what chemicals and who makes the motor is all that is left.

You seriously think Froome has used a motor? Do you think he used one in the Giro?

 

[TheSpud]

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So in Froome's case, I wonder how many blood bags he will be taking with him or will be made available for him during le Tour ?

Don't suppose he'll be taking any ...

 

[Benotti69]

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The only guessing is what he is taking with the huge doses of Salbutamol.

PEDs and a motor are in use, no guessing needed. To break it down to what chemicals and who makes the motor is all that is left.

You seriously think Froome has used a motor? Do you think he used one in the Giro?

Yes. I think motors are widespread. I think all the TT bikes are motored. Once these guys cross the line of cheating anything goes. They dont see it as a sport. It is a job. They have a limited time to make the most money they can. Some are happy enough to be water carriers others want much more.

I also think that teams are favoured.