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How in the UCI leaked the case is the most important questition the person should be prosecuted and fired!
@mamil
neither of us really knows... i speculated blood doping on the basis of several factors. as i said, the logistics is a technicality though highly important. what we know from tyler, armstrong et al is old. new logistics or the variations on the old are in the pipe. to date, only a sudden increase in the rbc can provide the aerobic power surges we saw in froome. no ped i am aware of can boost overnight...his power deficit in the mountains where he was dropped was not huge. i'd say about .2-.3 watt/kg compared to those who dropped him.to catch up, jives with the amount of rbc introduced by a 1/4 unit and perhaps a very short-lived anabolic too.
of course it is a speculation but i was in the loop at some point.
neither of us really knows... i speculated blood doping on the basis of several factors. as i said, the logistics is a technicality though highly important. what we know from tyler, armstrong et al is old. new logistics or the variations on the old are in the pipe. to date, only a sudden increase in the rbc can provide the aerobic power surges we saw in froome. no ped i am aware of can boost overnight...his power deficit in the mountains where he was dropped was not huge. i'd say about .2-.3 watt/kg compared to those who dropped him.to catch up, jives with the amount of rbc introduced by a 1/4 unit and perhaps a very short-lived anabolic too.
of course it is a speculation but i was in the loop at some point.
Eddy Planckaert just said on Belgian TV that Froome shouldn't have been allowed to start. Positive A-sample and positive B-sample should mean ban.
rick james
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someone needs schooled......its not a banned substance so it doesn't work that way, he had an abnormal reading, asked to explain and he did...have you and eddy missed the last month???Pantani_lives said:
rick james
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feet up, enjoy the new baby and look to next year....it may sound sad but that will be ithfer07 said:
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The only thing that makes sense IMO is that Froome never got dropped. He dropped himself. The dude who can fly up Mount Ventoux like it's a climb in Florida isn't going to get dropped by anyone. GT won this year while not even having to sweat. GT and Froome both backed off in the TT. Froome almost accidentally won. Imagine Froome and Thomas riding 100% on 3+ stages. They would distance the rest by 30+ minutes. That's how far ahead they really are.
python said:
The only thing that makes sense IMO is that Froome never got dropped. He dropped himself. The dude who can fly up Mount Ventoux like it's a climb in Florida isn't going to get dropped by anyone. GT won this year while not even having to sweat. GT and Froome both backed off in the TT. Froome almost accidentally won. Imagine Froome and Thomas riding 100% on 3+ stages. They would distance the rest by 30+ minutes. That's how far ahead they really are.
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Maybe. Certainly the nature of the performance was consistent with a little blood top up. But I couldn't see why he'd take it then, rather than when the race was there to be won earlier in the week. Perhaps though the idea of the podium slipping away was unpalatable, and convinced him to push the envelope a little more. Plus it would probably be easier to do so for one 35k effort than the big mountain stages. Still not convinced that's the answer, but it could be somewhere in the ball park.
python said:
Maybe. Certainly the nature of the performance was consistent with a little blood top up. But I couldn't see why he'd take it then, rather than when the race was there to be won earlier in the week. Perhaps though the idea of the podium slipping away was unpalatable, and convinced him to push the envelope a little more. Plus it would probably be easier to do so for one 35k effort than the big mountain stages. Still not convinced that's the answer, but it could be somewhere in the ball park.
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GW/AICAR is effectively overnight performance, you just need a 12 hour window. Froome was unlikely tested on the last two mountains stages as not in yellow, opportune time for a quick hit before the ITT. But more likely two microdoses of EPO over two days would do it peaking at the ITT.
Mamil said:
GW/AICAR is effectively overnight performance, you just need a 12 hour window. Froome was unlikely tested on the last two mountains stages as not in yellow, opportune time for a quick hit before the ITT. But more likely two microdoses of EPO over two days would do it peaking at the ITT.
hfer07 said:
With a new proper english* homegrown champion in the form of GT the British press with a little help from SKY throw him under the bus and start to build the "Kenyan born" Chris Froome is a drug cheat narrative.
Eh, I get the feeling he didn't top off enough out of caution, or caught a bad bag. PR calming might be in play as well.
rick james said:
You're kidding, he can not sit and relax if he's going to have a chance next year. If this is the case then there is a danger in fare :razz:
Saint Unix said:
*never tested positive
*everyone who posts on the internet is stupid (but those who believe in sky are above this rule).
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Let's not forget the Vuelta so quickly.....He was clearly in decline, Nibali took time off him on a mtf, press + internet basically concluded 'that's it, with the tdf in his legs no way he can win', then he dropped everyone......then at this precise time he bloody got popped for having twice the legal limit of salbutamol......(whilst claiming to be sick)!
They're doing whatever they need to do to get him firing in the 3rd week of GT's. That's not even speculation - that's a drug test right on cue that was basically made to go away.
Ripper said:
Let's not forget the Vuelta so quickly.....He was clearly in decline, Nibali took time off him on a mtf, press + internet basically concluded 'that's it, with the tdf in his legs no way he can win', then he dropped everyone......then at this precise time he bloody got popped for having twice the legal limit of salbutamol......(whilst claiming to be sick)!
They're doing whatever they need to do to get him firing in the 3rd week of GT's. That's not even speculation - that's a drug test right on cue that was basically made to go away.
Journalist who broke Froome salbutamol story joins Sky News https://twitter.com/marthakelner/status/1024984826510827520
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Do they talk about doping on Sky News? I thought it was wall to wall football, with the odd PR package for some lesser sports?ClassicomanoLuigi said:
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