Froome Vs. Contador

[LaFlorecita]

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You wouldn't expect Froome to do that because he's never had to do it

It could have won him the Vuelta, but hey, he was only there to train, right?

 

[Taxus4a]

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I think at this point Froome sees Quintana and Contador as more or less equally dangerous opponents.

Froome probably doesn't care about rivals that much any more. He looks like a rider who is super-confident in his own ability these days. If he is on top form and doesn't make any major tactical errors, he will win the TdF.

I think it was Roche that said that Froome is super confident in his own form..I think he knows if he hits TDF in top form then it doesn't really matter what the others do...it's a risky strategy but works for the dawg....but then again everybody is expecting Bertie 2009 to come roaring into the race

Fortunately cycling for lot of riders is not like in 2009. Contador is in the ame shape than in 2009 anyway, but he will never do again that performances.

 

[SeriousSam]

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I think at this point Froome sees Quintana and Contador as more or less equally dangerous opponents.

Froome probably doesn't care about rivals that much any more. He looks like a rider who is super-confident in his own ability these days. If he is on top form and doesn't make any major tactical errors, he will win the TdF.

I think it was Roche that said that Froome is super confident in his own form..I think he knows if he hits TDF in top form then it doesn't really matter what the others do...it's a risky strategy but works for the dawg....but then again everybody is expecting Bertie 2009 to come roaring into the race

Desperately wishing it, sure, but genuine belief? Some of his most zealous supporters perhaps

 

[dacooley]

i won't be much surprised to see all the opposition to get literally mauled by nairo in july

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Fortunately cycling for lot of riders is not like in 2009. Contador is in the ame shape than in 2009 anyway, but he will never do again that performances.

Taxus, I'm so glad you're here, for weeks, months, years we've been discussing if Contador can reach 2009 shape again, but thanks to you we can now say for certain, yes, he is in 2009 shape! All hail the onniscient Taxus, he who knows what others can only guess.

 

[DFA123]

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i won't be much surprised to see all the opposition to get literally mauled by nairo in july

I think that would only happen if Froome crashes out or is on poor form. Otherwise he's going to gain at least a minute on Nairo in the TTs - probably more. For sure Nairo could still make up a minute in the mountains and win, but it wouldn't be a mauling.

 

[Miburo]

All of you keep talking about 2009 shape, when Contador pretty much destroyed gusev's career on the galibier in 2007 when he passed him. Evans is still recovering from trying to follow him

 

[CheckMyPecs]

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All of you keep talking about 2009 shape, when Contador pretty much destroyed gusev's career on the galibier in 2007 when he passed him. Evans is still recovering from trying to follow him

Chicken sends regards.

 

[Taxus4a]

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Fortunately cycling for lot of riders is not like in 2009. Contador is in the ame shape than in 2009 anyway, but he will never do again that performances.

Taxus, I'm so glad you're here, for weeks, months, years we've been discussing if Contador can reach 2009 shape again, but thanks to you we can now say for certain, yes, he is in 2009 shape! All hail the onniscient Taxus, he who knows what others can only guess.

If you are inteligent you understood what I ment. Performance is not the same that shape. He is not going to do the numbers he did in Verbiers or in Arrate again, fortunately for cycling.

 

[Jspear]

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All of you keep talking about 2009 shape, when Contador pretty much destroyed gusev's career on the galibier in 2007 when he passed him. Evans is still recovering from trying to follow him

Chicken sends regards.

How much time did chicken gain on AC in the mountains outside of his breakaway stage? Serious question...it's been awhile since I watched that Tour.

 

[CheckMyPecs]

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How much time did chicken gain on AC in the mountains outside of his breakaway stage? Serious question...it's been awhile since I watched that Tour.

35" IIRC. Not much, but enough to prove he was the better climber in that Tour.

 

[Breh]

33"

 

[Miburo]

Chicken wasn't overall better than Contador, yea on the aubisque he was but Contador also blew himself up trying to attack early. You know contador even at that young age only cared about winning.

On peyresourde he was slightly better, on the galibier he was way better and on the plateau they were equal.

And if Contador didn't get that flat on tignes he would have been at least up there with mayo.

 

[JRanton]

I'm not worried about Contador. Landa was already better than him on the climbs in the Giro last year. It's clear that Quintana is the danger man for Froome even with the time trial.

 

[Gigs_98]

I'm not worried about Contador. Landa was already better than him on the climbs in the Giro last year. It's clear that Quintana is the danger man for Froome even with the time trial.

1. I'm not even sure if Froome was really the better climber last year than Landa. Landa was absolutely superb in the giro and in the vuelta.
2. If Contador wants to win the tour, he has to be in better shape than in the giro last year and I think everyone here knows that.

 

[del1962]

I think in last years Giro I think it is difficult to say Landa was that much better a climber because after the mechanical it is difficult to judge just how much the Mortirolo climb took out of Bertie

 

[Jspear]

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I think in last years Giro I think it is difficult to say Landa was that much better a climber because after the mechanical it is difficult to judge just how much the Mortirolo climb took out of Bertie

On that particular climb AC's performance was better than Landa's imo.

 

[blackmamba]

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I think in last years Giro I think it is difficult to say Landa was that much better a climber because after the mechanical it is difficult to judge just how much the Mortirolo climb took out of Bertie

On that particular climb AC's performance was better than Landa's imo.

People also forget that last year Contador rode the Giro partialy injured, makes it more impressive.

 

[ray j willings]

Bertie took on a.bonkers Astana team single.handed. He also knew he was riding the tour so its very difficult to judge his level at the giro. He rode to save energy but I think it turned out a lot tougher than he thought it would be. I.doubt any other rider could have defeated Astana the way Bertie did.

 

[Taxus4a]

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Bertie took on a.bonkers Astana team single.handed. He also knew he was riding the tour so its very difficult to judge his level at the giro. He rode to save energy but I think it turned out a lot tougher than he thought it would be. I.doubt any other rider could have defeated Astana the way Bertie did.

More than one or two riders. Aru is not a very good rider, and astana just wanted the second with him, no more. No way risk that.

In fact, some of those riders where in the race but had bad luck. They were able with the behaviour Astana had, but Contador has a name, he is a name that RCS like to win, he is a friend of Vino and Martinelli, it i a name that people respect his status.

With other name maybe astanas behabiur would have been diferent.

But it was crazy and the sumary of the Giro to see the second in GC attacking and contador at third in GC wheel, a if Aru didnt race. And it was crazy to see Astana using his strong man to attack first, when you always keep that man to the second attack.

Landa was so better to Contador than in Finestre could drop Contador in the first attack, and almost fall into pieces the Astana plans to be second with Aru... they needed to stop Landa to avoid that disaster, who was crying.

If Landa finished second and Aru third, Vino and Martinelli kill someone.

Landa is an obedient and polite guy, other way he would have won il Giro.

I see more difficult to win this year, but he will be free and with a good team suporting him, so he just need good luck and we will see.

 

[rick james]

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I think in last years Giro I think it is difficult to say Landa was that much better a climber because after the mechanical it is difficult to judge just how much the Mortirolo climb took out of Bertie

On that particular climb AC's performance was better than Landa's imo.

People also forget that last year Contador rode the Giro partialy injured, makes it more impressive.

If you believe that, you'll believe anything....Contador is a master at telling lies

 

[Red Rick]

About the Giro last year.

-Contador didn't aim to peak to perfection there
-The crash took a lot out of him. Not saying he would've destroyed everyone, but it really affects not only your shape, but your recovery as well. It takes a lot of extra energy which may cost you in the last week. Also, not going into the Giro in top shape affects recovery as well.
-Landa was really, really good and it's not an easy thing to beat that level. Froome and Quintana's a step above that, but not a very big one.

 

[BlurryVII]

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I think in last years Giro I think it is difficult to say Landa was that much better a climber because after the mechanical it is difficult to judge just how much the Mortirolo climb took out of Bertie

On that particular climb AC's performance was better than Landa's imo.

People also forget that last year Contador rode the Giro partialy injured, makes it more impressive.

If you believe that, you'll believe anything....Contador is a master at telling lies

No one believes you either, don't worry about that lol.

But when Froome crashes at the Dauphiné, oh god he loses his arm and his ability to cycle. But as far as AC is concerned, he's lying. And he cheated to get all of his Tour wins while Sky's clean.

You don't have any credibilty, just saying.

 

[rick james]

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I think in last years Giro I think it is difficult to say Landa was that much better a climber because after the mechanical it is difficult to judge just how much the Mortirolo climb took out of Bertie

On that particular climb AC's performance was better than Landa's imo.

People also forget that last year Contador rode the Giro partialy injured, makes it more impressive.

If you believe that, you'll believe anything....Contador is a master at telling lies

No one believes you either, don't worry about that lol.

But when Froome crashes at the Dauphiné, oh god he loses his arm and his ability to cycle. But as far as AC is concerned, he's lying. And he cheated to get all of his Tour wins while Sky's clean.

You don't have any credibilty, just saying.

Finally you see the light

 

[BlurryVII]

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Finally you see the light

I don't see the light, I quote your stupid nonsense and hypocrisy. Major difference lol.