Froome Vs. Contador

[Taxus4a]

Re: Re:

Whats biased about his analysis?

I consider it bias if someone rejects a rider/team's statements regarding form and goals and substitute his belief of what the rider's goals are. It's one thing if Froome and Sky said his goals going into 2016 in general, and in particular going into Catalunya, was to build form toward the TdF, but that's not what any of them have said. Introducing prior year performance introduces bias into the analysis IMO. Introducing subjective analysis (his statements regarding why Froome performed better in other years (because he had something to prove) is a self-serving statement unless Froome has actually said that (I don't recall that I've ever heard any such thing).

Thats fair, but I haven't heard Sky/Froome outline the win as a goal for Catalunya, neither have I heard them regarding Catalunya as a training block or whatever tho. But honestly, I don't think it matters, Romandie is the race that suits CF the most and the race he has had the most success at in the spring

Here's an article with some pre-race comments from Sky
http://velonews.competitor.com/2016/03/news/froome-faces-unfinished-business-at-catalunya_398755

They were there to win, of course, and Froome wanst far...but that is not a main objetive of the year. The fact is that they race to win, controling the race, but some people wanst at the level expected, as Thomas, and that was important. The too queenstages were decided at the very end, Froome needs a high pace, no stages with 50 peole in the last km or a break wining as De gend. In that kind of stages he is not so strong. You dont see a break winning in Ax 3 domaines or in la Planche or in La Pierre.

I understand your point, and if you want to see that way, you have arguments, SKy tried to win Catalunya and Quintana and Contador were at a higher level, orr at least on a higher results, and now Contador win Pais Vasco with a very good performance in the ITT. it is ok, at the moment Contador win.

I hope as well you understand what I tried to say on my previous post.

 

[Taxus4a]

It is good when people give arguments...So thanks publicus, I was maybe a little bit bios...

I know what I mean and I explained, but yes, in an objetive point of view, if we give a lot of importante to the spring, Contador is wining, so if that is important for you, congrats. I congrat contador for his good season so far.

His mains objetives are TdF and olimpics, as Froome

 

[Jspear]

Re: Re:

Whats biased about his analysis?

I consider it bias if someone rejects a rider/team's statements regarding form and goals and substitute his belief of what the rider's goals are. It's one thing if Froome and Sky said his goals going into 2016 in general, and in particular going into Catalunya, was to build form toward the TdF, but that's not what any of them have said. Introducing prior year performance introduces bias into the analysis IMO. Introducing subjective analysis (his statements regarding why Froome performed better in other years (because he had something to prove) is a self-serving statement unless Froome has actually said that (I don't recall that I've ever heard any such thing).

Sometimes we have to look at previous years. Especially when discussing Froome and Team Sky. They are the new Lance and Postal. They might do terrible all year, but come July, they will be on fire. Miracles can happen when you're on Sky.

 

[TomLPC]

Re: Re:

Whats biased about his analysis?

I consider it bias if someone rejects a rider/team's statements regarding form and goals and substitute his belief of what the rider's goals are. It's one thing if Froome and Sky said his goals going into 2016 in general, and in particular going into Catalunya, was to build form toward the TdF, but that's not what any of them have said. Introducing prior year performance introduces bias into the analysis IMO. Introducing subjective analysis (his statements regarding why Froome performed better in other years (because he had something to prove) is a self-serving statement unless Froome has actually said that (I don't recall that I've ever heard any such thing).

Sometimes we have to look at previous years. Especially when discussing Froome and Team Sky. They are the new Lance and Postal. They might do terrible all year, but come July, they will be on fire. Miracles can happen when you're on Sky.

To be fair they've been exceptional this year, in most races i've seen

 

[Taxus4a]

Re: Re:

Whats biased about his analysis?

I consider it bias if someone rejects a rider/team's statements regarding form and goals and substitute his belief of what the rider's goals are. It's one thing if Froome and Sky said his goals going into 2016 in general, and in particular going into Catalunya, was to build form toward the TdF, but that's not what any of them have said. Introducing prior year performance introduces bias into the analysis IMO. Introducing subjective analysis (his statements regarding why Froome performed better in other years (because he had something to prove) is a self-serving statement unless Froome has actually said that (I don't recall that I've ever heard any such thing).

Sometimes we have to look at previous years. Especially when discussing Froome and Team Sky. They are the new Lance and Postal. They might do terrible all year, but come July, they will be on fire. Miracles can happen when you're on Sky.

Lance riding well out of June-July?? a little bit on the classics, the race suits more to him, no more.

Best team last years is Movistar in all the classements.

Sky is the team with more money so sing the best riders.It is the only british team in the WT.

I dont see that, I see Landa at the same level, He will of course improve, he is young and SKy is a good tean, but not miracles. I dont see that Uran was worse after leave, nor Gerrans, he got two monuments later, nor Hayman, he got a monument this week, nor Porte, he was close to Contador in Cataluña, I have never seen those kind of miracles you say. Even Froome was worse in SKY than in Barloworld, but yes, of course to be in SKy is ti be in the front in resoruces and in methods. Now everybody copy them, now people do spinning after races, people get ice baths, people work with watts, people go long time to altitude,...a lot of things. Yes, Sky is the best team to be... but I have never seen miracles there. If you think that Wiggo s transformation into a GT rider is a miracle, that is something that happends in Garmin.

Look at this man results, he is getting old, but no more than Purito or Valverde, for instance.

http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/rider_palm.asp?riderid=888&year=2007&all=1&current=0

Maybe what he did in Movistarm top ten and even podium in a lot of 1 weak races: Germany, Basque country, Paris Nice, Criterium internacional, Vuelta a Burgos, ... it was a miracle.

Maybe this is a miracle: http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=6074 or this http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=6088

But what he do in SKY is just to get the best of his level.

 

[lenric]

I believe that people are confusing miracles with better career planning.
When you're in a small team with poor nutrition and form planning, you may have good potential, but it is being wasted, because you're being properly accompanied.
20 years ago it wasn't a problem at all, since science was several levels below today and wasn't applied in cycling as it is today. Today everything's need to be planned if you wanna be one of the best. So it is absolutely normal that the richer teams can provide its riders with a better career planning.

 

[Publicus]

Re: Re:

Whats biased about his analysis?

I consider it bias if someone rejects a rider/team's statements regarding form and goals and substitute his belief of what the rider's goals are. It's one thing if Froome and Sky said his goals going into 2016 in general, and in particular going into Catalunya, was to build form toward the TdF, but that's not what any of them have said. Introducing prior year performance introduces bias into the analysis IMO. Introducing subjective analysis (his statements regarding why Froome performed better in other years (because he had something to prove) is a self-serving statement unless Froome has actually said that (I don't recall that I've ever heard any such thing).

Sometimes we have to look at previous years. Especially when discussing Froome and Team Sky. They are the new Lance and Postal. They might do terrible all year, but come July, they will be on fire. Miracles can happen when you're on Sky.

I don't doubt that, I just think it introduces more bias into the analysis. As a team they've actually done really well this year, so I wouldn't put them in the US Postal category.

 

[Taxus4a]

I have read wrong or some people is traying to compare Andy and Froome?

The main important goal for Froome is le Tour, of course, and he will do the best to be there at his best shape and give averything there, but man, he has won a race this year and he has been 8 in a race without ITT, when you see the miracle if he is the best in July? where is SKY doing very bad?
they dont have Porte anymore, a very good rider for one week races in the spring (and maybe for 3 weeks), but they are doing well.

 

[Jspear]

Re: Re:

Whats biased about his analysis?

I consider it bias if someone rejects a rider/team's statements regarding form and goals and substitute his belief of what the rider's goals are. It's one thing if Froome and Sky said his goals going into 2016 in general, and in particular going into Catalunya, was to build form toward the TdF, but that's not what any of them have said. Introducing prior year performance introduces bias into the analysis IMO. Introducing subjective analysis (his statements regarding why Froome performed better in other years (because he had something to prove) is a self-serving statement unless Froome has actually said that (I don't recall that I've ever heard any such thing).

Sometimes we have to look at previous years. Especially when discussing Froome and Team Sky. They are the new Lance and Postal. They might do terrible all year, but come July, they will be on fire. Miracles can happen when you're on Sky.

To be fair they've been exceptional this year, in most races i've seen

Yes, they've done well, but in the grand scheme of things none of it matters. July is it.

 

[Jspear]

Re: Re:

Whats biased about his analysis?

I consider it bias if someone rejects a rider/team's statements regarding form and goals and substitute his belief of what the rider's goals are. It's one thing if Froome and Sky said his goals going into 2016 in general, and in particular going into Catalunya, was to build form toward the TdF, but that's not what any of them have said. Introducing prior year performance introduces bias into the analysis IMO. Introducing subjective analysis (his statements regarding why Froome performed better in other years (because he had something to prove) is a self-serving statement unless Froome has actually said that (I don't recall that I've ever heard any such thing).

Sometimes we have to look at previous years. Especially when discussing Froome and Team Sky. They are the new Lance and Postal. They might do terrible all year, but come July, they will be on fire. Miracles can happen when you're on Sky.

Lance riding well out of June-July?? a little bit on the classics, the race suits more to him, no more.

Best team last years is Movistar in all the classements.

Sky is the team with more money so sing the best riders.It is the only british team in the WT.

I dont see that, I see Landa at the same level, He will of course improve, he is young and SKy is a good tean, but not miracles. I dont see that Uran was worse after leave, nor Gerrans, he got two monuments later, nor Hayman, he got a monument this week, nor Porte, he was close to Contador in Cataluña, I have never seen those kind of miracles you say. Even Froome was worse in SKY than in Barloworld, but yes, of course to be in SKy is ti be in the front in resoruces and in methods. Now everybody copy them, now people do spinning after races, people get ice baths, people work with watts, people go long time to altitude,...a lot of things. Yes, Sky is the best team to be... but I have never seen miracles there. If you think that Wiggo s transformation into a GT rider is a miracle, that is something that happends in Garmin.

Look at this man results, he is getting old, but no more than Purito or Valverde, for instance.

http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/rider_palm.asp?riderid=888&year=2007&all=1&current=0

Maybe what he did in Movistarm top ten and even podium in a lot of 1 weak races: Germany, Basque country, Paris Nice, Criterium internacional, Vuelta a Burgos, ... it was a miracle.

Maybe this is a miracle: http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=6074 or this http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=6088

But what he do in SKY is just to get the best of his level.

The bold:
This is one of the craziest things I've ever read on this forum. You win the award for most delusional post of the year!

Miracles happen at Sky when they care about a rider. Wiggo was their first project. He won his GT with Sky not Garmin. Froome was a nobody. (Yes I understand I'm simply being stupid here....anyone who is enlightened will see that he was always going to go on to win the TdF. ) They haven't always cared about the classics, people like Gerrans aren't going to get alot of support there. No, not everyone at sky rides like a monster, but if Sky wants someone to ride faster than everyone else, they'll just crunch some numbers and boom they have a new superstar.

 

[Taxus4a]

Re: Re:


The bold:
This is one of the craziest things I've ever read on this forum. You win the award for most delusional post of the year!

Miracles happen at Sky when they care about a rider. Wiggo was their first project. He won his GT with Sky not Garmin. Froome was a nobody. (Yes I understand I'm simply being stupid here....anyone who is enlightened will see that he was always going to go on to win the TdF. ) They haven't always cared about the classics, people like Gerrans aren't going to get alot of support there. No, not everyone at sky rides like a monster, but if Sky wants someone to ride faster than everyone else, they'll just crunch some numbers and boom they have a new superstar.[/quote]

I dont know if to answer people like you, it use to be useless.

That is no miracles, that is normal when you have a good rider and you work with him properly.

Who was nobody, this man who was riding his first GT race in his first year totally in Europe in his second year as Pro?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPd4aZQmDuQ

To get a rider that is starting to work especifically on the climb fron 4th to win le Tour is a miracle?

If you want to know more about Froome, wich I doubt, read this:

http://patrimoniociclista.blogspot.com.es/2013/06/an-unpolished-diamond-story-of-chris.html

 

[Angliru]

Re: Re:

Whats biased about his analysis?

I consider it bias if someone rejects a rider/team's statements regarding form and goals and substitute his belief of what the rider's goals are. It's one thing if Froome and Sky said his goals going into 2016 in general, and in particular going into Catalunya, was to build form toward the TdF, but that's not what any of them have said. Introducing prior year performance introduces bias into the analysis IMO. Introducing subjective analysis (his statements regarding why Froome performed better in other years (because he had something to prove) is a self-serving statement unless Froome has actually said that (I don't recall that I've ever heard any such thing).

Sometimes we have to look at previous years. Especially when discussing Froome and Team Sky. They are the new Lance and Postal. They might do terrible all year, but come July, they will be on fire. Miracles can happen when you're on Sky.

Lance riding well out of June-July?? a little bit on the classics, the race suits more to him, no more.

Best team last years is Movistar in all the classements.

Sky is the team with more money so sing the best riders.It is the only british team in the WT.

I dont see that, I see Landa at the same level, He will of course improve, he is young and SKy is a good tean, but not miracles. I dont see that Uran was worse after leave, nor Gerrans, he got two monuments later, nor Hayman, he got a monument this week, nor Porte, he was close to Contador in Cataluña, I have never seen those kind of miracles you say. Even Froome was worse in SKY than in Barloworld, but yes, of course to be in SKy is ti be in the front in resoruces and in methods. Now everybody copy them, now people do spinning after races, people get ice baths, people work with watts, people go long time to altitude,...a lot of things. Yes, Sky is the best team to be... but I have never seen miracles there. If you think that Wiggo s transformation into a GT rider is a miracle, that is something that happends in Garmin.

Look at this man results, he is getting old, but no more than Purito or Valverde, for instance.

http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/rider_palm.asp?riderid=888&year=2007&all=1&current=0

Maybe what he did in Movistarm top ten and even podium in a lot of 1 weak races: Germany, Basque country, Paris Nice, Criterium internacional, Vuelta a Burgos, ... it was a miracle.

Maybe this is a miracle: http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=6074 or this http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=6088

But what he do in SKY is just to get the best of his level.

The first sentence of the bolded must be a typo unless you belief that Froome was this elite cyclist at Barloworld held back only by the lack of professionalism of the team. That would explain Juan Mauricio Soler Hernandez's subpar performances while there (oh wait...) compared to his performances with Movistar.

The rest of the bolded is really disappointing coming from you. You really believe that cooling down after races, ice baths, long altitude camps, working with watts were are all Sky's inventions? Come on now. Really? The way technology is introduced with regularity to the elite level of the sport, you think only Sky was able to figure out how to use these new fancy gizmos? Wow!

 

[Taxus4a]

Re: Re:

Whats biased about his analysis?

I consider it bias if someone rejects a rider/team's statements regarding form and goals and substitute his belief of what the rider's goals are. It's one thing if Froome and Sky said his goals going into 2016 in general, and in particular going into Catalunya, was to build form toward the TdF, but that's not what any of them have said. Introducing prior year performance introduces bias into the analysis IMO. Introducing subjective analysis (his statements regarding why Froome performed better in other years (because he had something to prove) is a self-serving statement unless Froome has actually said that (I don't recall that I've ever heard any such thing).

Sometimes we have to look at previous years. Especially when discussing Froome and Team Sky. They are the new Lance and Postal. They might do terrible all year, but come July, they will be on fire. Miracles can happen when you're on Sky.

Lance riding well out of June-July?? a little bit on the classics, the race suits more to him, no more.

Best team last years is Movistar in all the classements.

Sky is the team with more money so sing the best riders.It is the only british team in the WT.

I dont see that, I see Landa at the same level, He will of course improve, he is young and SKy is a good tean, but not miracles. I dont see that Uran was worse after leave, nor Gerrans, he got two monuments later, nor Hayman, he got a monument this week, nor Porte, he was close to Contador in Cataluña, I have never seen those kind of miracles you say. Even Froome was worse in SKY than in Barloworld, but yes, of course to be in SKy is ti be in the front in resoruces and in methods. Now everybody copy them, now people do spinning after races, people get ice baths, people work with watts, people go long time to altitude,...a lot of things. Yes, Sky is the best team to be... but I have never seen miracles there. If you think that Wiggo s transformation into a GT rider is a miracle, that is something that happends in Garmin.

Look at this man results, he is getting old, but no more than Purito or Valverde, for instance.

http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/rider_palm.asp?riderid=888&year=2007&all=1&current=0

Maybe what he did in Movistarm top ten and even podium in a lot of 1 weak races: Germany, Basque country, Paris Nice, Criterium internacional, Vuelta a Burgos, ... it was a miracle.

Maybe this is a miracle: http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=6074 or this http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=6088

But what he do in SKY is just to get the best of his level.

The first sentence of the bolded must be a typo unless you belief that Froome was this elite cyclist at Barloworld held back only by the lack of professionalism of the team. That would explain Juan Mauricio Soler Hernandez's subpar performances while there (oh wait...) compared to his performances with Movistar.

The rest of the bolded is really disappointing coming from you. You really believe that cooling down after races, ice baths, long altitude camps, working with watts were are all Sky's inventions? Come on now. Really? The way technology is introduced with regularity to the elite level of the sport, you think only Sky was able to figure out how to use these new fancy gizmos? Wow!

Soler was an strong rider in Movistar as well, he was unlicky.

Froome was helping Soler in a lot of races, and sometines after to help, at his level:

http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=10427

And yes, SKy was the first team to introduce new methods, and of course they didnt invent anything, most of things were used in the track. And that is something admiting for a lot of cyclist. an there i still things than lot of riders dont use becouse they think is no important.

And.. I cant stand the arrogance that most of the people who think like you, It is like you are right and there is no another possibility. Sucks!

 

[Taxus4a]

You have to have big engines todo that,and, you can belive or not, but Wiggo and Froome has very big engines, but yes, in the medium age when people did this kind of things people call them magicians, saint who do miracles, witches,...but it is just science.. today everybody do that, but at the begining they laught...maybe they thought that BP wanst so serious, but later they sstopped laughing.

http://lifehacker.com/the-value-of-marginal-gains-1514453003

 

[Taxus4a]

And...this is not the place to talk about this.. but after Dueñas affair, there were some Barloworld riders who dissapeard of the map...and Froome and his team mate and friend Jhon Lee Augustyn wanst among them...

 

[Taxus4a]

This is Soler in Movistar...

http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=17210
http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=20559

But anyway what Pffanberger or Soler did in Barloword, has norelation to what Froome did in Barlowold

 

[Angliru]

You certainly got all hot and testy about what was just my voicing my contrary opinion to your blindly following the Sky pr machinations. What is arrogant about my post? I asked was your first sentence in the bold a typo because it says Froome was better at Barloworld than at Sky. All the rest of the Froome/Sky rise to power and dominance (which Brailsford set as a goal) discussion belongs in the clinic.

 

[Gigs_98]

Re: Re:

I dont know if to answer people like you, it use to be useless.

That is no miracles, that is normal when you have a good rider and you work with him properly.

Who was nobody, this man who was riding his first GT race in his first year totally in Europe in his second year as Pro?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPd4aZQmDuQ

To get a rider that is starting to work especifically on the climb fron 4th to win le Tour is a miracle?

If you want to know more about Froome, wich I doubt, read this:

http://patrimoniociclista.blogspot.com.es/2013/06/an-unpolished-diamond-story-of-chris.html

Taxus, is it a coincidence that the guy who wrote that article knows Carlos Verona?

 

[Taxus4a]

Re:

You certainly got all hot and testy about what was just my voicing my contrary opinion to your blindly following the Sky pr machinations. What is arrogant about my post? I asked was your first sentence in the bold a typo because it says Froome was better at Barloworld than at Sky. All the rest of the Froome/Sky rise to power and dominance (which Brailsford set as a goal) discussion belongs in the clinic.

Maybe Is my bad english, sorry, but i think i wrote ok, 2010 Froome was the worst year for him, worse than 2009 in Barloworld. It is ure that he had bad luck in the Giro, and before that a crash in Romandie, and he got some good result at the end of the year, specially that second place in GB trial championship, but Froome first year in SKY showed the same level or even worse than in Barloworld. Maybe it was the bilharzia, but that is objetive.

Later SKY did a good job with him that winter, he losed weight and he did some good races in CyL and Romadie. He treated again for bilharzia, and finally he explode as a big contender for 3 weeks in that Vuelta, something he point to since that very good impression he had in 2008 Tour de France.

 

[Taxus4a]

Re: Re:

I dont know if to answer people like you, it use to be useless.

That is no miracles, that is normal when you have a good rider and you work with him properly.

Who was nobody, this man who was riding his first GT race in his first year totally in Europe in his second year as Pro?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPd4aZQmDuQ

To get a rider that is starting to work especifically on the climb fron 4th to win le Tour is a miracle?

If you want to know more about Froome, wich I doubt, read this:

http://patrimoniociclista.blogspot.com.es/2013/06/an-unpolished-diamond-story-of-chris.html

Taxus, is it a coincidence that the guy who wrote that article knows Carlos Verona?

That guy who wroted that is me, but it is, mostly a job joining statements, interviews and things like that from other people before 2011, so it is not really me, it is just Froome story as far as I could then know.

Last year I asked Verona for a picture and he didnt recognized me, so...
I have talk with him anyway face to face in the past but specially in private by internet. And I have talked with him about a lot of things, including Froome, Contador, doping issues, etc...

if I tell Verona who I am he realized, but no more. He knows lot of people...

When Contador is asked about promising riders in Spain, he say: Verona.

I dont undertand anyway very well the intention of the question...

I am this man screaming like crazy and pussing Verona "Patas" "legs" (who asked me to do it) Sorry, I am very passionate with cycling, or at least, I was.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vpW_ZYpRoc&nohtml5=False

 

[Valv.Piti]

That video is golden Taxus!

 

[cantpedal]

Re: Re:

Whats biased about his analysis?

I consider it bias if someone rejects a rider/team's statements regarding form and goals and substitute his belief of what the rider's goals are. It's one thing if Froome and Sky said his goals going into 2016 in general, and in particular going into Catalunya, was to build form toward the TdF, but that's not what any of them have said. Introducing prior year performance introduces bias into the analysis IMO. Introducing subjective analysis (his statements regarding why Froome performed better in other years (because he had something to prove) is a self-serving statement unless Froome has actually said that (I don't recall that I've ever heard any such thing).

Sometimes we have to look at previous years. Especially when discussing Froome and Team Sky. They are the new Lance and Postal. They might do terrible all year, but come July, they will be on fire. Miracles can happen when you're on Sky.

Lance riding well out of June-July?? a little bit on the classics, the race suits more to him, no more.

Best team last years is Movistar in all the classements.

Sky is the team with more money so sing the best riders.It is the only british team in the WT.

I dont see that, I see Landa at the same level, He will of course improve, he is young and SKy is a good tean, but not miracles. I dont see that Uran was worse after leave, nor Gerrans, he got two monuments later, nor Hayman, he got a monument this week, nor Porte, he was close to Contador in Cataluña, I have never seen those kind of miracles you say. Even Froome was worse in SKY than in Barloworld, but yes, of course to be in SKy is ti be in the front in resoruces and in methods. Now everybody copy them, now people do spinning after races, people get ice baths, people work with watts, people go long time to altitude,...a lot of things. Yes, Sky is the best team to be... but I have never seen miracles there. If you think that Wiggo s transformation into a GT rider is a miracle, that is something that happends in Garmin.

Look at this man results, he is getting old, but no more than Purito or Valverde, for instance.

http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/rider_palm.asp?riderid=888&year=2007&all=1&current=0

Maybe what he did in Movistarm top ten and even podium in a lot of 1 weak races: Germany, Basque country, Paris Nice, Criterium internacional, Vuelta a Burgos, ... it was a miracle.

Maybe this is a miracle: http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=6074 or this http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=6088

But what he do in SKY is just to get the best of his level.

The bold:
This is one of the craziest things I've ever read on this forum. You win the award for most delusional post of the year!

Miracles happen at Sky when they care about a rider. Wiggo was their first project. He won his GT with Sky not Garmin. Froome was a nobody. (Yes I understand I'm simply being stupid here....anyone who is enlightened will see that he was always going to go on to win the TdF. ) They haven't always cared about the classics, people like Gerrans aren't going to get alot of support there. No, not everyone at sky rides like a monster, but if Sky wants someone to ride faster than everyone else, they'll just crunch some numbers and boom they have a new superstar.

LOL that eek must have been from the mouse eating your common sense... EBH, Rigo, Porte and many others must have failed math as the numbers never added up for them at Sky

 

[Tonton]

Miracles huh? See below...

 

[Tonton]

The bottom line is that Froome is avoiding direct confrontation until it matters, and he will PSM everybody, destroy them mentally. Sky is so much better than any other team, it's not even funny. I like Bertie so far this year, his attacks that some see as useless give him the belief that he can drop anyone at will. Well, except Froome. No real face-to-face so far. It's a guessing game for us, and for them too, which works to Froome's benefit. The way Lance used to show up in July, everybody thinking that Ullrich was stronger than ever, and boom! Lights out...

 

[Valv.Piti]

The bottom line is that Froome is avoiding direct confrontation until it matters, and he will PSM everybody, destroy them mentally. Sky is so much better than any other team, it's not even funny. I like Bertie so far this year, his attacks that some see as useless give him the belief that he can drop anyone at will. Well, except Froome. No real face-to-face so far. It's a guessing game for us, and for them too, which works to Froome's benefit. The way Lance used to show up in July, everybody thinking that Ullrich was stronger than ever, and boom! Lights out...

And yet he will race Dauphine, a race where Contador also attends!