Garmin biggest cowards in today peloton

[Mrs John Murphy]

Is Vaughters claiming that JVS winning was the team objective and that Hushovd wasn't the main guy?

 

[Astana1]

Had they caught the group it would have been all over.

Cancellara is better than Hushovd, period.

Edit: come to think of it, i am going to revise my opinion - Garmin should have kept all 3 in the break and ignored Hushovd

Garmin managed the dilemma really well. Look at gap Cance nukes at the end. Nobody was going to beat him if he ever made it to the front.

With the benefit of hindsight it's easy to say that they should have left all three up there.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Is Vaughters claiming that JVS winning was the team objective and that Hushovd wasn't the main guy?

JV will claim it as he is so full of himself.

 

[Benotti69]

he actually is half right. garmin rode well, but got lucky that there was disorganisation behind.

there is always luck required to win Roubaix but you also got to make your own luck and putting riders up the road helps.

 

[Sørensen]

Had they caught the group it would have been all over.

Cancellara is better than Hushovd, period.

Edit: come to think of it, i am going to revise my opinion - Garmin should have kept all 3 in the break and ignored Hushovd

Captain Hindsight is it you?

 

[roundabout]

Captain Hindsight is it you?

Maybe you should try actually debating.

Works for other people here.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

JV should be VERY grateful that VanS had enough jam in the last 10km. Great win for VanS, but I think it was a bit of a tactical fluke. Too bad Rabo, BMC, et al, didn't want to play...

 

[Astana1]

Captain Hindsight is it you?

My thoughts exactly.

 

[Sørensen]

aww you got offended now. that's very cute.. What you call debating, I call talking garbage... Anyway carry on. Cant wait for you to save the world with your super powers Captain Hindsight.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Garmin managed the dilemma really well. Look at gap Cance nukes at the end. Nobody was going to beat him if he ever made it to the front.

With the benefit of hindsight it's easy to say that they should have left all three up there.

then why did they ride for hushovd and not vansummeren??

 

[Astana1]

then why did they ride for hushovd and not vansummeren??

They stopped riding once JVS and company attacked out of the break. But it's easy to ask that question in hindsight .

 

[ingsve]

it was clear garmin was all for hushovd. rasch let himself drop back to work and also vanmarcke, but when cancellara was within 20 seconds hushovd refused to take over some relays, that doesn't make any sense at all.so they wait up and vanmarcke gets back and starts pacing again while in front vansummeren only countered attacks and waited. it means they rode defensive in every way

yes they won which is what counts but most imbecile tactic I've ever seen.

It makes perfect sense. They had a lot of riders there and their tactics where simply to use that advantage to conserve as much of Hushovds energy as possible. That's what you have team mates for and I don't see how that can be considered bad tactics.

They had enough riders to cover the breaks that went which they did with Van Summeren and Rasch. Once they had those riders up the road Hushovd could take advantage of that by having other teams work which is cycling 101. When they did have a domestique in the group with Hushovd, like Vanmarcke and later Rasch, then it makes perfect sense to have them ride since Hushovd is still their captain but it dosen't make sense to have Hushovd ride himself because that only plays into the hands of Cancellara. At the same time Van Summeren is covering all attacks on the front to make sure they are still in the race if the break stays away.

I can't see how they could have possibly ridden any other way without it helping Cancellara even more.

 

[pmcg76]

It makes perfect sense. They had a lot of riders there and their tactics where simply to use that advantage to conserve as much of Hushovds energy as possible. That's what you have team mates for and I don't see how that can be considered bad tactics.

They had enough riders to cover the breaks that went which they did with Van Summeren and Rasch. Once they had those riders up the road Hushovd could take advantage of that by having other teams work which is cycling 101. When they did have a domestique in the group with Hushovd, like Vanmarcke and later Rasch, then it makes perfect sense to have them ride since Hushovd is still their captain but it dosen't make sense to have Hushovd ride himself because that only plays into the hands of Cancellara. At the same time Van Summeren is covering all attacks on the front to make sure they are still in the race if the break stays away.

I can't see how they could have possibly ridden any other way without it helping Cancellara even more.

+1...thats the way I viewed it as well, they obviously knew JVS was feeling strong so if it didnt come back together, they had a useful joker up front. Once JVS got away in a small group, Garmin were clearly in the driving seat and they sat back. It would have been foolish for Hushvod to work.

 

[meandmygitane]

I can't see how they could have possibly ridden any other way without it helping Cancellara even more.

Even more? How do you mean?

 

[ingsve]

Even more? How do you mean?

Even more is perhaps not the best wording. What I mean is that anything they would have done different would have favoured Cancellara period.

 

[sublimit]

JV should be VERY grateful that VanS had enough jam in the last 10km. Great win for VanS, but I think it was a bit of a tactical fluke. Too bad Rabo, BMC, et al, didn't want to play...

This is what I've been saying. Just like when Nick Nuyens won Flanders it wasnt tactical genius by his team either but a great individual effort.

 

[meandmygitane]

Even more is perhaps not the best wording. What I mean is that anything they would have done different would have favoured Cancellara period.

OK, was worried that I had misunderstood the race completely, thats all

Great ride by Vansummeren and good tactics by Garmin - but it was surely Vansummerens ride which made it to what it was - the race was won on the bike and not in some DS-car..

 

[sublimit]

Their tactics were worse than last week actually, luckily for them Vansummeren was really strong.

They did get some riders into contention this time whereas only one last week.
So a better effort I think this time.

not particularly clever tactics though just normal racing you see every week.

 

[pmcg76]

This is what I've been saying. Just like when Nick Nuyens won Flanders it wasnt tactical genius by his team either but a great individual effort.

I really dont see how it was a fluke, Garmin got a strong rider with 'previous' in Paris-Roubaix in the front group. Out of that front group, who would anyone have picked as the most likely winner, clearly JVS.

Garmin were also clearly riding for Hushovd but they had JVS up there as the joker if it didnt come back together. Are we saying it was a fluke because JVS was the strongest? I dont think putting a strong classics rider in the break group was a fluke. Surely Garmin knew that JVS was feeling strong.

 

[sublimit]

I really dont see how it was a fluke, Garmin got a strong rider with 'previous' in Paris-Roubaix in the front group. Out of that front group, who would anyone have picked as the most likely winner, clearly JVS.

Garmin were also clearly riding for Hushovd but they had JVS up there as the joker if it didnt come back together. Are we saying it was a fluke because JVS was the strongest? I dont think putting a strong classics rider in the break group was a fluke. Surely Garmin knew that JVS was feeling strong.

I'm not saying it was a fluke that Vansummeren won. He was at the front and had good legs and won the race.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

The best thing for them was that JVS, once in the front group, could pick and choose when he wanted to relay, because he could say to the others "I have my team leader coming up, why would I work against that?" That meant he needn't do any turns from the lead group for a long time, leaving him with more energy to cover the Bäk attack and to hold on to the end.

 

[pmcg76]

I'm not saying it was a fluke that Vansummeren won. He was at the front and had good legs and won the race.

Then how were Garmin's tactics a fluke if it wasnt a fluke that JVS won. They rode for Hushovd with JVS as a joker. It worked perfectly, thats not luck.

 

[ingsve]

The best thing for them was that JVS, once in the front group, could pick and choose when he wanted to relay, because he could say to the others "I have my team leader coming up, why would I work against that?" That meant he needn't do any turns from the lead group for a long time, leaving him with more energy to cover the Bäk attack and to hold on to the end.

Hehe, just because someone is from scandinavia doesn't mean that all "a" are missing an umlaut. His name is just Bak even in danish.

 

[sublimit]

Then how were Garmin's tactics a fluke if it wasnt a fluke that JVS won. They rode for Hushovd with JVS as a joker. It worked perfectly, thats not luck.

I never said it was a fluke. They used normal tactics that every team try to use, got riders up there and won the race. Period.

Vaughters will get onto twitter and say what a genius he is and take full credit but thats his problem.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

Vaughters will get onto twitter and say what a genius he is and take full credit but thats his problem.

Vaughters is getting like the old Nixon quote.

Q: How can you tell Vaughters is lying?

A: His lips are moving.