GB Track Team

[Parrot23]

Anti-GB fans to form a new ITV-based team, it's been herd aboot here:

"W.......ers United", with Eyetalian league connections.

Whingers, that is.

They just don't like excellence from many marginal improvements, LOL. Sorta like fast evolution, per that Dawkins chappie.

 

[Stueyy]

Could you educate us then on what completely undectable drug Kenny is taking to improve his sprint?

Brailsford has tuned Kenny's body to produce increased levels of Adenosine triphosphate whenever they hear British clapping at the frequency of 0.48Hz. .

What do you think he's taking? I'm not his pharmacist so I unfortunately can't give you a list, so that obviously means he must be clean?

 

[SirLes]

Might as well stick the link in here as well as it is relevant.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19144983

 

[mb2612]

Haha, good one.

Yep, I noticed my own inherent contradiction there too, was hoping no-one would pick up on it

Essentially, I don't know enough about current top level doping to know what they are doing, just that the end product seems wrong. Blood doping seems to be the most useful thing which requires coordinated planning and a large team, like the one at British Cycling.

 

[mb2612]

Might as well stick the link in here as well as it is relevant.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19144983

Cycling is the best funded sport in Britain, wow

 

[JimmyFingers]

The absnece of evidence means it is simply opinion on whether GB/Sky/The Water Board are doping

They are faster than doped athletes
They are doping to increase performance to physiological acceptable level that are just slightly higher than anyone else
They are doping to lose weight
This is state-sponsored doping that is a collusion between Britiain and the UCI/IOC/VPL
They are using an undectable designer PED derived from Thetan science and bought from Scientologists
They win ergo they cheat
They have magic wheels
They are sheep for 3 years and lions for one

#tinfoilhatplease

 

[Parrot23]

We just need to apply some enhanced logic here....

Kenny's red cheeks look very suspicious. So I think he's on the same thing as hot to Trott.

And I definitely know what Bauge is on: sour grapes. Been a bad harvest this year.

 

[The Cobra]

Brailsford has tuned Kenny's body to produce increased levels of Adenosine triphosphate whenever they hear British clapping at the frequency of 0.48Hz. .

What do you think he's taking? I'm not his pharmacist so I unfortunately can't give you a list, so that obviously means he must be clean?

I think he's taking protein shakes. Maybe 3 or 4 a day if he's really dedicated.

You asked us to educate ourselves on the benefits of doping. I'm fully aware that a fully juiced athlete beats a fully clean athlete everytime. I'm just not aware what Kenny could be taking to massively improve a ten second sprint performance that he wouldnt test positive for.

 

[SirLes]

Cycling is the best funded sport in Britain, wow

I think the difference in spending over the years is interesting. I wonder what it like before the lottery. Naff all and what there was, was not spent in any coordinated or logical fashion from my knowledge.

 

[gheizhwinder]

The trouble is, the fact of the great performances of BC are consistent both with squad-wide doping AND with successful training techniques (which would naturally be applied to the whole squad). So on performances alone there is no way, beyond speculation, of asserting that either of these are the case.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Cycling is the best funded sport in Britain, wow

Not quite.
Rowing was slightly ahead.

 

[Catwhoorg]

I think the difference in spending over the years is interesting. I wonder what it like before the lottery. Naff all and what there was, was not spent in any coordinated or logical fashion from my knowledge.

Nailed it.

 

[Parrot23]

I think he's taking protein shakes. Maybe 3 or 4 a day if he's really dedicated.

Chocolate cake, too.

"Newell recommended living with noncyclists so as to finish what they do not eat. She also advocated drinking microbrews and having dessert with breakfast. She said an Australian coach gave his sprinters chocolate cake to enhance quadriceps growth."

Definitely why the Aussies are losing. Ha, ha!

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/07/s...g-success-starts-in-quads.html?pagewanted=all

 

[CharacterFirst]

Why is it, then? Can you even define morally corrupt?

Yes I can. Why don't you look it up if you are not sure. Defining it might not mean you agree though. But I think gambling is a moral corruption. This is not a wild or extreme position you realize.

 

[CharacterFirst]

Please do explain.....

If you haven't heard this position expressed before, it only strengthens my claims. You need to get out more if you are not aware that gambling is wildly considered to have deep negative effects on society, and is historically and currently considered by many people as a moral corruption.

 

[Corona]

When you think about the huge number of people involved in the GB track to team to seriously suggest that everyone is involved in a massive doping conspiracy and that they are all so morally bankrupt and without a conscious that they will be able to keep it a secret until the day they die is laughable.

Well Houvenaghel is certainly sounding bitter enough to spill some beans if there is anything to hide as it looks like her track career is over.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/olympics/19147279

 

[Franklin]

Could you educate us then on what completely undectable drug Kenny is taking to improve his sprint?

Steroids, Epo, the works are virtually undetectable if taken carefully (which mean in the buildup, not in the race-window). There is no need for a new wonderdrug.

And if covered by the union it's that much easier. The coverage can be as simple as lowering the amount of testing, giving hints when there will be testing.

 

[Franklin]

Well Houvenaghel is certainly sounding bitter enough to spill some beans if there is anything to hide as it looks like her track career is over.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/olympics/19147279

Yes and tarnishing herself and putting her own silver medal 4 years ago into question.

She has all the reason NOT to spill beans.

 

[arthurvandelay]

Bit of policy question here...

IF there is a doping strategy for the entire GB track squad, the sad truth is that it will never possibly come to light.

The PR damage would simply be too great, millions of pounds will go down the drain, etc. My guess is that IF they are using something, it's either untraceable or they are conspiring with the authorities so that no positives will come up, ever.

This is a fascinating idea to me. Let's say, purely for the sake of argument, that Team GB does have a doping strategy in mind. If you really are going to do it, using taxpayers money (lottery proceeds ?) then you would have to be "all in", as the card players say. Preeminent doping skills and a comprehensive plan, perhaps even including synthesis of novel compounds and a strategy to cover things up so thoroughly that the truth would not come out. This would be so audacious it would be breathtaking.

I personally don't think that this has happened or could have happened in this case. IMHO this is what Pharmstrong and US Postal did but were not ultimately "all in", as the moles were more than willing to divulge what they know.

 

[the big ring]

Yes I can. Why don't you look it up if you are not sure. Defining it might not mean you agree though. But I think gambling is a moral corruption. This is not a wild or extreme position you realize.

Random behavioural reinforcement has been shown to be the most effective form of reinforcement.

 

[Corona]

Yes and tarnishing herself and putting her own silver medal 4 years ago into question.

She has all the reason NOT to spill beans.

Well she's at the end of her career so it depends if she values her own reputation over shedloads of cash the tabloids would undoubtedly dangle in front of her to dish any dirt.

There are few people at the top end of British Track Cycling who don't have a reputation to tarnish, so if anybody is going to spill the beans it will be a woman scorned

I can't see an omerta lasting forever if there is a team wide program.

 

[Franklin]

I can't see an omerta lasting forever if there is a team wide program.

Well, considering doping was normally practiced open in front of team mates it's incredible that the stories about the eighties are still fragmentary. For example, anyone came out yet from GB-Mapei (you know, three men at Paris Roubaix)?

The Omerta can indeed last forever.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Hammer, who holds the world record in the pursuit, beat Trott by nearly a full second in the race, setting a new track record of 3:29.554 in the process

7 secs away from her IP WR set at Altidtude in a multi-sport event isn't bad at all.

Its not just team GB going fast. Others are doing it as well.

 

[CharacterFirst]

Random behavioural reinforcement has been shown to be the most effective form of reinforcement.

Yep Pokies are pretty addictive. The lure of the easy win, the love money, the greed and quick fix mentality. But there is more to the immorality of gambling than the poor sods who get hooked. We are all slaves to something.

What about the fact it is rigged against the "player". That any profit/gain is far out-weighed by the social costs. That fat cats are raking in billions from the loses of those who can least afford it. And its all based on a lie - "life could be a dream" if you win. Pfft.

 

[CharacterFirst]

But this is all a bit off topic.

Team GB - something is fishy.