GB Track Team

[Hugh Januss]

Cyclists doping for years, all through the EPO and blood doping era? Nah, couldn't happen.

Not if they are native English speakers, no way.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

What percentage of events did they win in those meets, 08/09 - 11/12? Would you call that dominance?

I would be interested in that as well. Need to only look at the Olympic events as there was a specific strategy to concentrate on those.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Not if they are native English speakers, no way.

On one side there are the guys that say 'how can someone be doping if they have never failed a test' and on the other there are people that regurgitate the same sh!t 'jokes' and actually think they are funny.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

I doubt very much any "program" they might be employing is going to be exposed any time soon and have genuine suspicion IOC/ UCI would collude to cover up any evidence.
Not even in at the hight of Russian/ GDR powers has any team dominated to this degree and I'm left wondering if Brailsford has ever heard the expression " you can have to much of a good thing"? .
Intelligent conversation on the topic is all but impossible over here in the UK such is the waive of jingoistic patriotism.
Is there a "program"?...well if there isn't it will be an absolute first in a cycling team performing this well and other nations coaches and staff will be well aware of this.
I sense some pretty strong resentment building up.

Was watching a bit on the BBC yesterday, I sensed the presenter - he also does the F1 - was getting suspiscious too, but it soon went over to the marginal gains theory. Marginal gains are tenths' of a second over 4k in my opinion, not two full seconds or one and a half.

There will be no positives, the UCI/IOC can't have a 'two front war' with everything going on in the state of Texas USA.

"From Beijing you were silver in 2008 and the same in the world championships the following year and you prepared for four years for today. So how did you prepare?"

A slight sub text but yesterday the French cycling federation's national technical director Isabelle Gautheron pondered the startling success of the Great Britain team on the track. She was clear that no doping innuendo was implied and Baug&#234]"If I understand, you'll relax for the next four years and then when it comes to Rio you'll be on top again, right?"[/B]

"Not at all," replied Kenny. "The Games is the main one for us but for me, I still want to win world championships. They mean a lot for me as a rider. So I'll just go forward."

Wow, it doesn't get any better than this. Brits will say 'sour loser', critics will say something differently.

This performance does not come from out of nowhere, so either GB has been doping for years, since 2004 when Wiggins and Hoy won gold, or they are this good

I'll stick with the bold part. With due respect of course.

If I am correct, there have been 7 track cycling events? The Brits taking 5 gold, one bronze and one DQ wich they were the clear favourites for?

Wonder why road cycling fans don't take track cycling serious.

 

[noddy69]

Because he beat me. I’ve prepared my Games in my own way so I’m curious to know how he prepared. It’s not easy... A quote from Gregory Bauge at the press conference.

Wow. How to go about admitting in public to doping without saying it.

 

[JimmyFingers]

If I am correct, there have been 7 track cycling events? The Brits taking 5 gold, one bronze and one DQ wich they were the clear favourites for?

Wonder why road cycling fans don't take track cycling serious.

I think that's unfair: the UCI/IOC or whoever butchered the track programme so no Madison, Points race, Individual pursuit or Kilo, all of which have instead been condensed into one event, the Omnium, to be contested by one rider from each country. This makes GB's dominance even more stark than it was in Beijing. It has also made the programme very sprint heavy, with 3 marquee events in the team sprint, match sprint and keirin, and taken out the endurance events, which really favours GB's strengths on the track too. Watch a World Championship meet for more variety and much greater spread of medals

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

I'm surprised no-one has mentioned this, but Laura Trott won the flying lap in the Omnium, beating Clara Sanchez, a specialist sprinter, by 0.001s.

Why is Trott not getting the Clancy treatment?

 

[JimmyFingers]

I'm surprised no-one has mentioned this, but Laura Trott won the flying lap in the Omnium, beating Clara Sanchez, a specialist sprinter, by 0.001s.

Why is Trott not getting the Clancy treatment?

Because she's only little

 

[the big ring]

Don't know if it has been posted yet but here is the video of Bauge and Kenny in the press conference afterwards.

http://www.telly.com/6YVQE?fromtwitvid=1

<3

He almost asked, "So you will be in Tenerife for 4 years, then come back and win the tour and the sprint gold medal in Rio, right?"

 

[barn yard]

I'm surprised no-one has mentioned this, but Laura Trott won the flying lap in the Omnium, beating Clara Sanchez, a specialist sprinter, by 0.001s.

Why is Trott not getting the Clancy treatment?

that was an absolutely disgusting sight

little laura trott, 3 TP rides 3 world records... then equalling clara flippin sanchez in a flying lap?

that lap was pretty much the peak of ridiculousness

even phil was shocked 'well nobody expected that, she is on another planet'

must be those new helmets

 

[the big ring]

must be those new helmets

It certainly wasn't her massive thighs.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

I think that's unfair: the UCI/IOC or whoever butchered the track programme so no Madison, Points race, Individual pursuit or Kilo, all of which have instead been condensed into one event, the Omnium, to be contested by one rider from each country. This makes GB's dominance even more stark than it was in Beijing. It has also made the programme very sprint heavy, with 3 marquee events in the team sprint, match sprint and keirin, and taken out the endurance events, which really favours GB's strengths on the track too. Watch a World Championship meet for more variety and much greater spread of medals

Not trying to bully you here but maybe the results in China were a little too crazy for UCI/IOC [even for them] and cut back the contenders per country? I mean, a UK 1 - 2 in several events was even too much for those at UCI headquarters? You have to keep it a little bit real.

Read a comment of Theo Bos - not a bad track racer in his days - stating 'I am convinced I am just as talented as Chris Hoy, but the British preparation is an expample to many sports'.

When I took a quick look at the Worlds of april this year it's amazing how the Aussies are underperforming now?

 

[Cancellator]

I, too, wonder how did J. Kenny improve so much since the last WC. I mean, it was clear there that Bauge was stronger than him, and now, he beat the Frenchman convincingly. I think Bauge's question is legitimate - it's all too good to be true for the Brits.

Although, differences in funding compared to their competitors might explain this in a more plausible way than on the road. I don't know.

Off-topic: Laura Trott is cute

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

that was an absolutely disgusting sight

Not if you like seeing one's representatives dishing it out to the Jonny Foreigners, which is the true purpose of international sport. You obviously don't like what you're seeing, but it's day 4 of the track competition, so you maybe ought to consider turning the telly off when such "disgusting" sights are about to present themselves ie whenever any GB kit takes to the track.

So you serious think that Laura Trott, aged 20, and a world class rider since she was promoted to the senior team aged 18 is part of some team-wide master doping strategy?

 

[Avoriaz]

Well, well, well, this is interesting. GlaxoSmithKline are involved in medical control at the Olympics ( you may have seen there TV adds here in the uk)...and guess what..Peter Keen, widely held responsible for setting BC cycling on the road to were they are now and Special Adviser to UK Sports now works for GlaxoSmithKline. All pure coincidence of course...move along now..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_RJ9QPG70U&feature=share

Did the elusive Peter Keen kick one of your kittens at some point in the past?

 

[mb2612]

I'm surprised no-one has mentioned this, but Laura Trott won the flying lap in the Omnium, beating Clara Sanchez, a specialist sprinter, by 0.001s.

Why is Trott not getting the Clancy treatment?

She's only the tenth fastest sprinter in the world, so I was waiting on her breaking the 3km pursuit world record this morning before adding her to the list.

 

[JimmyFingers]

It certainly wasn't her massive thighs.

Only little!

 

[mb2612]

Not if you like seeing one's representatives dishing it out to the Jonny Foreigners, which is the true purpose of international sport. You obviously don't like what you're seeing, but it's day 4 of the track competition, so you maybe ought to consider turning the telly off when such "disgusting" sights are about to present themselves ie whenever any GB kit takes to the track.

So you serious think that Laura Trott, aged 20, and a world class rider since she was promoted to the senior team aged 18 is part of some team-wide master doping strategy?

I think there is a team wide doping strategy, yes.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Not trying to bully you here but maybe the results in China were a little too crazy for UCI/IOC [even for them] and cut back the contenders per country? I mean, a UK 1 - 2 in several events was even too much for those at UCI headquarters? You have to keep it a little bit real.

Read a comment of Theo Bos - not a bad track racer in his days - stating 'I am convinced I am just as talented as Chris Hoy, but the British preparation is an expample to many sports'.

When I took a quick look at the Worlds of april this year it's amazing how the Aussies are underperforming now?

I'm not sure what the motivations for cutting many events and reducing the competitors. What is clear is that a lot of serious talent has been left behind and the overal quality of the field isn't as strong as a Worlds. I doubt they did it to reduce the success of one particular country.

Because if you wanted to do that you wouldn't axe the Madison and squash the Points race into the Omnium, where 6 Days riders and road riders can have more of an impact and results are far more unpredictable.

And yes, the poor showing of the Aussies is curious, their pursuit teams have gone backwards since the worlds in particular

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

I think there is a team wide doping strategy, yes.

Out of interest, what sort of dope do you think is involved? Given the build of the GB ladies, I would think that there's not much testosterone going their way. Jason Kenny is also curiously skinny.

 

[Cancellator]

IF there is a doping strategy for the entire GB track squad, the sad truth is that it will never possibly come to light.

The PR damage would simply be too great, millions of pounds will go down the drain, etc. My guess is that IF they are using something, it's either untraceable or they are conspiring with the authorities so that no positives will come up, ever.

 

[Darryl Webster]

Did the elusive Peter Keen kick one of your kittens at some point in the past?

Not at all. I've met Pete a couple of times and found him a really nice fella.
Really nice fellas get involved in dodgy things to.
If you can't see what are at the very least conflicts of interests then I suggest you take your blinkers off.

 

[mb2612]

Out of interest, what sort of dope do you think is involved? Given the build of the GB ladies, I would think that there's not much testosterone going their way. Jason Kenny is also curiously skinny.

I don't really want to speculate, but if I were to pick one, it would be transfusions.

 

[JimmyFingers]

IF there is a doping strategy for the entire GB track squad, the sad truth is that it will never possibly come to light.

The PR damage would simply be too great, millions of pounds will go down the drain, etc. My guess is that IF they are using something, it's either untraceable or they are conspiring with the authorities so that no positives will come up, ever.

Plenty of big IFs and guesswork, at the end of the day you believe want you want to believe I suppose

 

[The Cobra]

Out of interest, what sort of dope do you think is involved? Given the build of the GB ladies, I would think that there's not much testosterone going their way. Jason Kenny is also curiously skinny.

Im curious on this too. The GB sprinters are by no means the biggest, infact they are some of the skinniest. Pendleton and Kenny are much smaller than Meares and Forsterman for example so not much evidence that they are on test. Also the sprinters do what, a ten second or so max effort, EPO is not needed for that surely.