GB Track Team

[simo1733]

Don't get me started on the swimming.
Michael Phelps only just made the start of his last semi final, because he was busy picking up his gold gong from a race he'd swum 15 minutes earlier.

Every evening is the same. Two or three races, two or three medal chances.

Either swimming is too easy or there are just way too many events.

Definately too many events.No point to anything other than freestyle.

 

[Dalakhani]

Isn't it fairly normal to have WRs in a brand-new, state-of-the-art Olympic Velodrome?

Everything about it will be optimised to create fast times.

As for the Brits, they look no cleaner or "dopier" than 4 years ago, when everyone (except Cav) got a gold.

I've been critical of them over the last 4 years for showing very little interest in any race other than "London 2012". Now that the Olympics are here, you should expect to see a serious improvement. (Particularly in team events - as they've been tinkering with the linups for those since 2008.)

PS That Hindes interview puts a huge asterisk over yesterday's win. Poor English? Gimme a break!

 

[spalco]

Definately too many events.No point to anything other than freestyle.

OT: medley is interesting too, as well as relay, and breast- and back-stroke make sense too, because that's how people reasonably swim, but what's really ridiculous is butterfly - I don't think anybody has ever swam that way other than in competition. Might as well make one-legged backwards jumping an Olympic track discipline.

 

[taiwan]

Ohhhhh my

http://m.smh.com.au/olympics/cyclin...versy-mars-gb-sprint-gold-20120803-23jlx.html

Hines:
UCI:
BC:

... in summary.

 

[simoni]

Might as well go straight to the clinic

Team Pursuit : 3.52.499 new WR
Team Sprint : 42.747 new WR

So, as usual, nothing to say apart from the tired old "winning = cheating" line.

Why bother? Seriously?

Come back when you've got something worth debating.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Marginal gains is the key word, they said so on the BBC!

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

Some facts about the Men's events

2012 points collected for team pursuit, pre-olympics

1 (-) RUSSIA RUS 340
2 (-) SWITZERLAND SUI 260
3 (-) BELGIUM BEL 220
4 (-) CZECH REPUBLIC CZE 180
5 (-) GERMANY GER 140
6 (-) ITALY ITA 100
7 (-) NETHERLANDS NED 60
8 (1) BELARUS BLR 50
9 (-) POLAND POL 40

Hmmm... No Team GB in there. AT ALL. Throw that out then...

Let's check 2011.

1 (1) AUSTRALIA AUS 3,260
2 (2) RUSSIA RUS 2,960
3 (3) NEW ZEALAND NZL 2,500
4 (4) GREAT BRITAIN GBR 2,480

From a distant fourth in 2011, to World record in about 12 months. Yeah, that could happen without doping...

2012 points collected for team sprint, pre-olympics

1 (-) GERMANY GER 360
2 (-) FRANCE FRA 195
3 (-) POLAND POL 195
4 (-) GREAT BRITAIN GBR 157

Let's be fair and say they are in lightning strikes range of setting a WR sitting in fourth.

Let's go back to 2011 team sprint rankings.

1 (1) GERMANY GER 2,317.5
2 (2) RUSSIA RUS 2,002.5
3 (3) FRANCE FRA 1,860
4 (9) AUSTRALIA AUS 1,770
5 (4) VENEZUELA VEN 1,500
6 (8) NEW ZEALAND NZL 1,387.5
7 (5) NETHERLANDS NED 1,357.5
8 (10) JAPAN JPN 1,335
9 (10) CHINA CHN 1,305
10 (6) POLAND POL 1,269
11 (7) UNITED STATES USA 1,108.5
12 (12) GREAT BRITAIN GBR 1,002

Another incremental gains story from mid-field to world record in less than 12 months??

I could have the wrong data vs. medals though.

Can I say that I think this is the worst post I have seen on any forum, relating to any subject, ever?

It's either a cr*p joke, or bad attempt at trolling/wind-up or just plain stupid.

The facts bare repeating...

This squad won the World Champs and broke the World Record in April, having run the Aussies very close whilst experimenting with the line-up in the World Cup February.

Half the squad won the TP in Beijing (setting the old World Record) and are still in their mid 20s.

A quarter of the squad won the bronze in the IP in Beijing and is a short 62s kilo man so perfect TP material.

I know this is The Clinic, but even so, posts do need to contain some quality in terms of the point they are trying to make. I suspect you know what's what re the TP and were trying for some trolling, but even so, it's "off the back of the bunch" stuff.

As an aside, the 2012 ranking for the TP look very odd indeed, as they appear to exclude GB, Aus and NZ who were all prominent in the World Champs and the London round of the World Cup.

 

[canyonball]

Sure, Vogel was involved in the Erfurt UV causa.

Could you provide with a link. I'd be interested

 

[hotrats]

Having seen him say these comments live on the TV and the manner in which he said them and his team mates' reactions I thought at the time he was being ironic, making a joke. Even German/British teenagers have a sense of humour... or try to. Perhaps they're inappropriate, yes. But looking at the incident did he not veer off almost from the first pedal turn? There doesn't seem to be enough time between actually getting out of the blocks and getting into difficult to actually make a decision that the start was too slow. I may be wrong, but that's my view. Really, what is there to gain in a first round match by doing something like that? For the French to say they are now bitter about it when they were beaten fair in the final is just silly.

 

[Bumeington]

I agree that in 2012 they were in range for their time. Is there an explanation for the 2011 solid mid-field to 2012 contender? That's where I get suspicious. Please don't reply with incremental gains.

2008 lineup was Staff-Kenny-Hoy. Staff retired. They've been trying to replace him ever since, experimenting with 3 different options. Eventually earlier this year they settled with Philip Hines, who wasn't the fastest option at the time, but at only 19, they felt he could come good in time for the games, and he did. So you have two members of the previous fastest team ever, and then one 19year old who has improved as he has got used to/trained specifically for being man 1

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

2008 lineup was Staff-Kenny-Hoy. Staff retired. They've been trying to replace him ever since, experimenting with 3 different options. Eventually earlier this year they settled with Philip Hines, who wasn't the fastest option at the time, but at only 19, they felt he could come good in time for the games, and he did. So you have two members of the previous fastest team ever, and then one 19year old who has improved as he has got used to/trained specifically for being man 1

Also, Kenny is still only 24, so for him to improve the odd tenth of a second since Beijing is not surprising.

 

[Markyboyzx6r]

Truly... this thread is a thing of wonder, even for the Clinic. Almost laughable.

The assertion that GB Track have come from nowhere is so bone it's almost beyond parody.

 

[thehog]

It is all very well to be within the range - to have so many of one generation of athletes setting world records at one time suggests that GB have a huge advantage somewhere. I wouldn't want to declare straight off the bat that it's dope - the sports-science approach does seem to be perhaps more advantageous in a controlled, predictable environment like the track.

I was joking...!

As this is the new mantra to explain such performances...

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Truly... this season is a thing of wonder, even for the Clinic. Almost laughable.

Only changed one word, both could be true of course.

The assertion that GB Track have come from nowhere is so bone it's almost beyond parody.

GB Track of course have a very long track record, as do the Germans, as do the Aussies/Russians. The dominance of GB/Sky must come because they are just that more dedicated.

He was born with those legs of course.

 

[Caruut]

I was joking...!

As this is the new mantra to explain such performances...

Whoops

Yes - if "it is conceivably possible, then it can't be dope" has had a few run-outs recently.

 

[sittingbison]

....He was born with those legs of course.

Looks to me like a future GC rider - long TTer, climber par excellence and Tour winner in say 2015?

 

[D-Queued]

Why focus on GB? The real question is track cycling in general.

With quads so large they go right past the the Body Building and into downtown Freaksville, I have always felt that track was one sport where testing positive was truly a form of discrimination against that particular rider.

Well, except in this case...

Dave.

 

[LOOKFOOL]

They all dope using specific cycles throughout the year..You can't win or even contend without it in this discipline. It's just unbelievable how anybody can think these riders are clean athletes. The winners are not there only because of their doping programs. It is one aspect of the total effects to success in track racing nowadays.

 

[Snafu352]

Loads of facts from the tin foil hat and "GB is bad" brigade... again...

Oh no silly me just lots of vitrol with no substance yet again. Yawn.

 

[King Boonen]

How much effect will a new track have I wonder?

And how new was the track at Bejing?

 

[Parrot23]

Only changed one word, both could be true of course.

GB Track of course have a very long track record, as do the Germans, as do the Aussies/Russians. The dominance of GB/Sky must come because they are just that more dedicated.

He was born with those legs of course.

Does he have to walk with his feet 1 1/2 - 2 feet apart just to get his thighs past each other?

Must have a nasty rash otherwise. Road burn. Ha, ha!

(Sport, or a circus freak show?)

(Not a comment about the British, just the sport itself.)

 

[Markyboyzx6r]

Only changed one word, both could be true of course.

GB Track of course have a very long track record, as do the Germans, as do the Aussies/Russians. The dominance of GB/Sky must come because they are just that more dedicated.

He was born with those legs of course.

That's a picture of a German, then? Yes? So let me get this straight - this is a picture of a German's legs, but it's supposedly being used as evidence of British doping?

Following that logic, I might as well post a picture of my legs as evidence that there's life on Mars.

 

[King Boonen]

That's a picture of a German, then? Yes? So let me get this straight - this is a picture of a German's legs, but it's supposedly being used as evidence of British doping?

Following that logic, I might as well post a picture of my legs as evidence that there's life on Mars.

It's circular logic, and if you follow it too far you'll end up running into your own back...

 

[hrotha]

That's a picture of a German, then? Yes? So let me get this straight - this is a picture of a German's legs, but it's supposedly being used as evidence of British doping?

Following that logic, I might as well post a picture of my legs as evidence that there's life on Mars.

It's being posted as a sign that doping is rampant in the track.

 

[The Cobra]

He was born with those legs of course.

I'd bet those legs are seriously un-aerodynamic. I mean track sprinters have massive legs but Forstermans are about twice the size of anyone else's. Needs to give the squats a rest and concentrate on riding his bike.