Gee I think it's awful that a DOPER won LBL

[Bicicleta]

Sit down Armstrong - Vino is about to become the most tested cyclist out there.

 

[issoisso]

Sit down Armstrong - Vino is about to become the most tested cyclist out there.

You mean dethroning Zabel and all the other bucketload of cyclists who were far, far more tested than Armstrong based on the list the UCI released around the time he retired?

Don't believe the myths the man loves to perpetuate

 

[ludwig]

What I'm saying is that a clean rider, training specifically for this 3/4 week period, can finish high up in these one day races. Then go off to the Tour and finish 2/3 hours down like he always does.

Huh? Where do you get this stuff? Look at the results of these races for the past 15 years and explain to me how they are populated by "clean riders".

 

[luckyboy]

But this doesn't change the fascination for this great sport!

Why would you watch cycling if you thought every single rider was doped?

And everyone has to dope just to get one a team?

 

[luckyboy]

Huh? Where do you get this stuff? Look at the results of these races for the past 15 years and explain to me how they are populated by "clean riders".

I don't see how that proves anything. The past is the past. I don't remember seeing Mauro Gianetti or Davide Rebellin racing today. Thanks to the bio passport (which has flaws, I admit), doping is not just a matter of keeping your crit under 50%. Clean riders can contend more now. It's not 1996 anymore.

So you believe every cyclist who wins a race is doped?

 

[Bicicleta]

You mean dethroning Zabel and all the other bucketload of cyclists who were far, far more tested than Armstrong based on the list the UCI released around the time he retired?

Don't believe the myths the man loves to perpetuate

LOL - was'nt born yesterday - maybe the day before though.

 

[ludwig]

Maybe one way to instil a sense of trust amongst peers, which would reduce the systematic nature of doping, is to reduce the gap between the highest paid and lowest paid cyclist, thereby making the nature of the race itself more for the honour of victory rather than trying to build up a CV of palmares to justify that 7 figure contract a cyclist would like, but then again that might be an imperfect solution in a time where it is hard to find sponsors.

Indeed, if we ever wanted cyclists to get serious about regulating themselves, equal pay for each cyclist would have to be a prerequisite.... But this is, sadly, very utopian.

 

[icefire]

Whether you like it or not, all reasons given by Vino to go to Tenerife are true:

Weather is good all year round, there are lots of climbs and lots of kms above 2000 m for altitude training open all year, and there is an international airport and good hotel accommodation.

There is no other place near Europe with such conditions. That's why cyclists use to go there for altitude training during the winter and spring season... and that's why doctors go there after cyclists

It's not the other way around as many may think

 

[Parrot23]

"Nice" quote from John Wilcockson, Armstrong admirer, LOL, who knows a thing or two about comebacks, successful and unsuccesful :

"But Vinokourov is back in the peloton stronger than before."

Also by Vino himself:

"“I’ve returned stronger than before and I’ve shown everybody that ‘Vino’ is back.”

Think that just about says it all.

Draw your own conclusions.



http://velonews.competitor.com/2010...ourovs-unpopular-victory_113199#ixzz0m9nSNHSh

http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/04/news/vino-wins-l-b-l_113055#ixzz0m9oSOMi8

 

[luckyboy]

People don't seem to be bothered : /

 

[dolophonic]

The CN article about Vino makes a point that he was recently training on Tenerife where Ferrari and Fuentes are known to work. I don't recall CN ever making that point in an article about Armstrong training on the island.

The relevant quote:

"More doping questions followed about why Vinokourov had recently been training in Tenerife, where disgraced sports doctors Eufemiano Fuentes and Michele Ferrari are alleged to work."

Now on to the Giro. Looks like Evans will be outclassed once again.

+100
So many hypocrites... they jump on Vino and give other riders a pass... double standard.
Vino rode a great race.
Stop deluding yourself, your rider is clean but everyone else is dirty.. yeah right.
Its mano a mano on the road... today Vino was the man.

 

[dolophonic]

People don't seem to be bothered : /

You seem to be really bothered. We heard you...
people love cycling,they love the sport. You don't love it any more than others.

 

[Parrot23]

People don't seem to be bothered : /

That's for sure, LOL.

And Alberto has a problem now with a too-good-to-be-true story of a key lieutenant, or boss, LOL! Don't want to be sullied. Last thing he needs is a positive test, though it's unlikely if Vino is driving the autologous, not homologous, side of the highway now.

 

[ergmonkey]

Indeed, if we ever wanted cyclists to get serious about regulating themselves, equal pay for each cyclist would have to be a prerequisite.... But this is, sadly, very utopian.

Unless "equal pay" means not only equal riders' salaries but also no outside endorsements/book deals/image rights/etc. then this utopian proposal would actually exacerbate the wealth gaps in the peloton. The very few GT and Classics winners would still be very rich as a result of their fame, and everybody else would be stuck on equal footing. That sounds like a massive incentive for the rich, big names to spend a lot of money on doping.

 

[sida-mot]

+100
So many hypocrites... they jump on Vino and give other riders a pass... double standard.
Vino rode a great race.
Stop deluding yourself, your rider is clean but everyone else is dirty.. yeah right.
Its mano a mano on the road... today Vino was the man.

-101
It's more like EPO a EPO on the road...

What a waste of a sunday to watch this. It's a farce. "War on doping being won"? Give me a break. It's just as dirty or dirtier than it ever was. I wonder how long this will be allowed to continue? The fans and the sponsors losing patience, I wonder what UCI's master plan really is?

and yes I do think it's awful that a doper won LBL.

 

[luckyboy]

You seem to be really bothered. We heard you...
people love cycling,they love the sport. You don't love it any more than others.

Jesus, you're an idiot.

This isn't sport.

 

[craig1985]

First off, I've always liked Vino as he's a tough-as-nails Eastern bloc rider who reminds me of Dolph Lundgren in Rocky IV - "I vill break you." Since every one of the riders in arguably the top 50 of LBL is doped I might as well be happy that Vino gets the win.

However, I do think it's kind of funny (read: sad) that a guy can get busted for blood doping and then come right back and dope some more (and win). I mean lets be real: Vino is obviously doped up. He was on dope before, busted for it, and now he's as strong if not stronger than he was before. Therefore he's still on dope. Very simple. At that level you don't get better clean than you were on dope, especially after a suspension.

Therefore it seems pretty clear to me that the UCI is giving the tacit okay for riders to dope up as long as they don't flaunt their blood parameters on the bio-passport. The sport is really skating on thin ice with his tactic. I don't see how the higher-ups can possibly be so stupid as to think another big scandal ala Festina or Puerto is NOT going to hit the sport with this approach. And once again the sport will take a big hit. It continues to get hit hard and then get back up from the mat so I make no predictions of doom for the sport but there is simply no question that many sponsors will stay away from this dirty sport.

The bigger question is how do we encourage kids to pursue their dreams in this sport when we know the top level is dirty as Hell? I know I'll be telling my kid if I have one: "by all means race amateur, it's a great sport and can be good for you, but don't even think about about going pro."

So what if your kid liked football and was really good, and got to play it college, would you tell him to stay away from the NFL, because let's face it, it's obvious what they are all on (and the two game suspension they get for a positive test)?

 

[luckyboy]

Isn't the average age of an NFL player 52?

 

[dolophonic]

Luckyboy, do me a favor, keep your personal slights to yourself.

 

[sportzchick]

I think there's a good case for life-bans for doping now tbh. Why bother banning people at all if they're just going to come back at the same level?

exactly

Why are we bothering with testing in the first place if they are allowed back in the sport and more importantly fans beleive the 'im clean now' BS and they become heros again.

May as well let everyone be drugged up - at least it will be a level playing feild

I am not a hyprocrite - there should be life bans and lets face it, Vino isnt the only one that came back after a drug ban and I hate them just as equaly

Want to be stupid/niave enough to believe known drug takers who keep sprouting 'im clean now, honest!" BS go right ahead........ just dont come crying to me when they get caught again. I prefer to waste my stupidity/nievity on going for riders who I believe are clean untill proven otherwise

 

[luckyboy]

Luckyboy, do me a favor, keep your personal slights to yourself.

Keep yours to yourself then. I don't appreciate being told that I love cycling less than other fans.

 

[sportzchick]

Luckyboy, do me a favor, keep your personal slights to yourself.

what because he doesnt agree with you...........aww poor diddums

 

[craig1985]

Isn't the average age of an NFL player 52?

Jerry Rice was either 44 or 45 when he retired.

 

[dolophonic]

Keep yours to yourself then. I don't appreciate being told that I love cycling less than other fans.

I said "people love cycling,they love the sport. You don't love it any more than others"

I don't see where i said you love it less...
That was not a personal insult, unless thats how you take it.
Calling people an idiot is an insult.
Sportchick... didums.. cuddels i think you are up past your bedtime....

 

[luckyboy]

Jerry Rice was either 44 or 45 when he retired.

Oh, I meant average age of death.