Geelong 2010: Elite Men's Time Trial 45.8km

[The Hitch]

Cancellara sees Richie Porte as his main rival for the time trial, so it's safe to say that he would **** his pants if Contador was in the time trial.

I can easily see Contador podiuming on this time trial if he's in good form. Oh well, his season always stops in July, so it will remain a "what if?" question.

Give it a rest with the Contador fanboyism. Contador didnt even podium in the olympics and he targeted that. Cancellara was doing the RR TT double, got silver/ bronze in the RR and won the tt.

The fact that Contador once, at his peak beat Cancellara by a few seconds in a race Cancellara didnt peak for does not mean that Canc would be scared of Contador. Cancellara beat Contador in the earlier tt that year and in both tts this year. Again he wasnt peaking for the tour, he just took it in his stride.

I like Contador and his nice guy personality but give it a rest. He is not in the same league as Cancellara in time trials.

Cancellara on a peak for tts is what we saw last year in mendrisio. Crushing the Bronze medal by minutes. Contador peak or no peak can not match this. No one can.

 

[meandmygitane]

the 5k remark was a hyperoble. It wasnt literraly 5k. But Larsson did follow Canc for much of the race. The organisers even had to drive up to him to tell him not to slipstream.

And yes Wiggins was a bit disrespectful to GEL.

I can live with that description, please excuse me for my tone in previous posts, my temper was directed at the memory of a certain british rider's attitude after the race.

I am glad that the arrangers of the world championships have now come to their senses and extended the interval between starts. With two minute intervals the slipstreaming wouldn't have occurred, maybe Wiggins would have been placed three or fourth.

Let's hope for similar conditions for all - weather, no slipstreaming, road conditions etc.

 

[Sasquatch]

Richie will use the Larsson tactic.

Cancellara, if on form will ride up to Porte, then Porte will use him as a carrot and get a high placing. Keep up with Cancellara when he moves ahead of you and you know you'll podium.

 

[El Pistolero]

Give it a rest with the Contador fanboyism. Contador didnt even podium in the olympics and he targeted that. Cancellara was doing the RR TT double, got silver/ bronze in the RR and won the tt.

The fact that Contador once, at his peak beat Cancellara by a few seconds in a race Cancellara didnt peak for does not mean that Canc would be scared of Contador. Cancellara beat Contador in the earlier tt that year and in both tts this year. Again he wasnt peaking for the tour, he just took it in his stride.

I like Contador and his nice guy personality but give it a rest. He is not in the same league as Cancellara in time trials.

Cancellara on a peak for tts is what we saw last year in mendrisio. Crushing the Bronze medal by minutes. Contador peak or no peak can not match this. No one can.

He was a few seconds of the podium in the Olympics and he was 25 years old then while he just won a difficult Giro...

Cancellara has been beaten many times in time trials, get of your fanboyism of Cancellara. And I never said anything about Contador winning this worlds, might want to go to a reading course. As a matter of fact, he has very little TT(not including prologues) wins at Grand Tours. Yes, Cancellara is the best time trial specialist, but he's not unbeatable. Certainly not on a course like this. If it was a flat TT we wouldn't even need to watch it to know Cancellara won.

Another reading failure of you is that Cancellara is afraid of Richie Porte. If he's afraid of someone like that then he's going to **** his pants if Contador was there.

 

[Tugboat]

Guys who were doing a recce of the course yesterday between the U23 and women's races were Larsson and Brajkovic and LL Sanchez who got a sneaky lap in during the U23 race.

I walked half the course and the climbs were way steeper than I'd imagined them to be. The likes of Cavendish will really struggle in the RR I think.

 

[Sasquatch]

Guys who were doing a recce of the course yesterday between the U23 and women's races were Larsson and Brajkovic and LL Sanchez who got a sneaky lap in during the U23 race.

I walked half the course and the climbs were way steeper than I'd imagined them to be. The likes of Cavendish will really struggle in the RR I think.

The road race doesn't follow the time trial course. When they leave Barrabool road and take that right at the Shell Service station, they take the next right and go up an insane hill which hits 23% near the top.

Then they find themselves back on the time trial course.

I recommend going up there if you haven't been there. You will then see it's harder than the climb in the time trial.

 

[The Hitch]

He was a few seconds of the podium in the Olympics and he was 25 years old then while he just won a difficult Giro...

Cancellara has been beaten many times in time trials, get of your fanboyism of Cancellara.

Christ. I accused you of Contador fanboyism because your username is "el pistolero" you claim spanish climbers whos name isnt contador are boring and you defend COntador on any and every issue. You even claim he was ill for the 2010 tdf, the 2008 Vuelta, the 2008 Giro, ie any GT he didnt overperform greatly in.

Oh and you even inserted him into this thread, a thread about a race he hasnt even entered.

I have absolutely no bias to Cancellara whatsoever. In fact my allegaince is usually to the underdog. Contador is brilliant in tts especially short hilly ones, and it wins him stages, stage races and grand tours.

But your comment that Cancellara would be "****ing in his pants is a bit ott. Cancellara is a sufficiently better tter than contador that if they both prepare for an event he will come out on top every time. and to be honest, so is Tony Martin. Contador might be the 3rd best time trialist in the world though there are others to challenge him there. But he is not as good as the top 2 in this dicipline. Sorry.

 

[El Pistolero]

Christ. I accused you of Contador fanboyism because your username is "el pistolero" you claim spanish climbers whos name isnt contador are boring and you defend COntador on any and every issue. You even claim he was ill for the 2010 tdf, the 2008 Vuelta, the 2008 Giro, ie any GT he didnt overperform greatly in.

Oh and you even inserted him into this thread, a thread about a race he hasnt even entered.

I have absolutely no bias to Cancellara whatsoever. In fact my allegaince is usually to the underdog. Contador is brilliant in tts especially short hilly ones, and it wins him stages, stage races and grand tours.

But your comment that Cancellara would be "****ing in his pants is a bit ott. Cancellara is a sufficiently better tter than contador that if they both prepare for an event he will come out on top every time. and to be honest, so is Tony Martin. Contador might be the 3rd best time trialist in the world though there are others to challenge him there. But he is not as good as the top 2 in this dicipline. Sorry.

I'm accusing you of being incredibly dumb because your name is Hitch. Seriously what an argumernt

First of all, I never said Contador was ill during any of these Grand Tours. He was ill a few weeks before the Tour of 2010 started, but not during it. He was not expecting to ride the 2008 Giro which is a fact as the team only got an invite a week before it started. But he wasn't ill.

He was peaking during the 2008 Vuelta and certainly not ill.

And I did not start the talk about Contador in this thread. Might want to actually read all the posts.

Ps: might want to reread my post you quoted. Was editing it while you quoted it. If Cancellara is already afraid that Richie Porte might stand in his way from making time trial history(4 victories, most ever) then he WOULD **** his pants if Contador decided to enter it. That was the whole point why I made that post. Unlike you I've been following Cancellara closely. My name might not be Cancellara on here, but I'm a fan.

And to totally destroy you calling me of being a fanboy because of my name, I'm a bigger Boonen fan than I am a Contador fan

Tornado Tom is such a silly nickname.

 

[Winterfold]

Wiggins bike throw was because of a mechanical, it's still not great, but it's not what seemed to be hinted at.

Vandalised totally dominates this - think RVV

 

[roundabout]

How changeable is the weather? I'm thinking that a surprise result from someone going in group 3 could be possible if weather gods cooperate.

Surprised that Porte is in group 4 instead of Rogers. Maybe Cancellara is wary of him for a reason.

Hopefully it will be a much more competitive this year.

 

[Tugboat]

The road race doesn't follow the time trial course. When they leave Barrabool road and take that right at the Shell Service station, they take the next right and go up an insane hill which hits 23% near the top.

Then they find themselves back on the time trial course.

I recommend going up there if you haven't been there. You will then see it's harder than the climb in the time trial.

Yeah we veered off the TT course and walked down the RR climb. I was surprised at just how sharply the road dropped away from the top of that last pitch.


Climb

 

[royalpig180]

For whatever reason, I'm feeling like Brajkovic will podium.

Finding that kinda hard to believe:

Regardless of the course, Cancellara and Martin will the be the top two by a sizeable margin. For third, I'm gonna go with Larsson who is a strong specialist but also has a decent climb (obviously not as strong a climber as Brajkovic, but I think the emphasise even on this course will be on the specialists). If its not Larsson, then probably Porte.

 

[The Hitch]

I'm accusing you of being incredibly dumb because your name is Hitch. Seriously what an argumernt

First of all, I never said Contador was ill during any of these Grand Tours. He was ill a few weeks before the Tour of 2010 started, but not during it. He was not expecting to ride the 2008 Giro which is a fact as the team only got an invite a week before it started. But he wasn't ill.

He was peaking during the 2008 Vuelta and certainly not ill.

And I did not start the talk about Contador in this thread. Might want to actually read all the posts.

Ps: might want to reread my post you quoted. Was editing it while you quoted it. If Cancellara is already afraid that Richie Porte might stand in his way from making time trial history(4 victories, most ever) then he WOULD **** his pants if Contador decided to enter it. That was the whole point why I made that post. Unlike you I've been following Cancellara closely. My name might not be Cancellara on here, but I'm a fan.

And to totally destroy you insulting me of being a fanboy because of my name. I'm a bigger Boonen fan than I am a Contador fan

Ok. I get what your saying. Kind of. Not the point about my username meaning im stupid, if you care to elaborate on that.

But what your saying is the conditional. IF Cancellara WAS scared of Porte then he WOULD be scared more so of Contador. I doubt he is scared of Porte. I think he is just saying this. T Martin is a bigger threat. Unless Porte produces some super form that puts to rest theories that Contador is a better tter.

So my point is simply. Cancellara is a sufficiently better tter than Contador that if they both prepare for a tt, as they would in the worlds, he can go into that tt against alberto and say to himself " if i do my thing i will beat him". And dont deny that you have been stronly in the Contador camp on pretty much every issue. The fact that you are a Boonen fan does not make it less so.

 

[El Pistolero]

Ok. I get what your saying. Kind of. Not the point about my username meaning im stupid, if you care to elaborate on that.

But what your saying is the conditional. IF Cancellara WAS scared of Porte then he WOULD be scared more so of Contador. I doubt he is scared of Porte. I think he is just saying this. T Martin is a bigger threat. Unless Porte produces some super form that puts to rest theories that Contador is a better tter.

So my point is simply. Cancellara is a sufficiently better tter than Contador that if they both prepare for a tt, as they would in the worlds, he can go into that tt against alberto and say to himself " if i do my thing i will beat him". And dont deny that you have been stronly in the Contador camp on pretty much every issue. The fact that you are a Boonen fan does not make it less so.

I never called Contador a better time trial specialist than Cancellara. Perhaps if they had the same weight yeah =/

Cancellara doesn't think Tony Martin will be his main treat because he doesn't understand why he didn't finish the Tour of Britain to prepare him self fully for the Worlds. Cancellara thinks Richie Porte is the main treat. Is he the main treat? Probably not, but that's what Cancellara thinks. I think he also thinks Contador is a better tt specialist than Richie Porte thus he would be really afraid if Contador entered. As this is not a flat time trial or an extremely technical one.

I'd rather see Cancellara winning than Contador anyway. Contador has Grand Tours and stage races, Cancellara has time trials and Classics. It's been too long ago since someone won both the RvV, P-R, 2 Tour stages and a rainbow jersey in one season anyway. And it's about time someone else gets the Vélo d'Or. He's not going to get it without the Worlds.

 

[Polyarmour]

If contador was riding he would take this easily with all that climbing.

These are short climbs not long ones. Remember how Cancellara dropped Boonen on the 20%+ Kapelmuur earlier this year in the Ronde Van Vlaanderen? He didn't even get out of the saddle. He has more than enough power to get over these hills at high pace. If the hills went on for another 16km that would be another story,.... but they don't.

 

[roundabout]

Maybe Contador should enter and show everybody how it's done.

Right after winning the Triple.



Don't see the point of this discussion since Menchov would have crushed them both if he was riding.

 

[El Pistolero]

Maybe Contador should enter and show everybody how it's done.

Right after winning the Triple.



Don't see the point of this discussion since Menchov would have crushed them both if he was riding.

Then it would be the second time in Menchov's career that he manages to beat Contador in a time trial

 

[roundabout]

Then it would be the second time in Menchov's career that he manages to beat Contador in a time trial

Menchov beat Cancellara the same number of times as Contador in the last 3 years.

 

[El Pistolero]

Menchov beat Cancellara the same number of times as Contador in the last 3 years.

You didn't watch the 2007 Tour I suppose.

 

[roundabout]

You didn't watch the 2007 Tour I suppose.

No, i'm pretty sure that my choice of words was accurate. But that's enough OT from me.

 

[Dedelou]

Yeah we veered off the TT course and walked down the RR climb. I was surprised at just how sharply the road dropped away from the top of that last pitch.


Climb

I think the WC TT should be designed to be way above any other TT the riders face during the season and that there should be equal challenge as far as tough climbing, hard descent and long winding flat road. a climber should be able to win as much time from the mountain part as a good descender might need to even up and the flat long enough to give both a equal chance to show what makes a good TT man: power and position. This said. The difference in weather favoring some riders over the others because of the time when they start should be eliminated or reduced. I wonder if the road could divided in three lanes giving a chance for 3 riders to start at the same time. (nahhh. What a silly idea)

 

[DenisMenchov]

Worlds are finally starting....

1. Spartacus
2. Martin
3. Larson

 

[auscyclefan94]

These are short climbs not long ones. Remember how Cancellara dropped Boonen on the 20%+ Kapelmuur earlier this year in the Ronde Van Vlaanderen? He didn't even get out of the saddle. He has more than enough power to get over these hills at high pace. If the hills went on for another 16km that would be another story,.... but they don't.

Cobbled climbs are much diffrent.

 

[53 x 11]

Cobbled climbs are much diffrent.

DOPER
DOPER!!!

Thankyou once again for your intelligent, insightful posting. You're contribution to this thread has, as always, been remarkable.

I personally think that only Spanish riders are cheats and because someone speaks native English it means they will win world championships. As such I totally agree with all you comments regarding Iberian riders, the ability of Michael Rogers and the relative merits of wearing foil hats while using the interwebs.

 

[Sasquatch]

Cobbled climbs are much diffrent.

DOPER
DOPER!!!

Evans is a doper too. It's all a matter of time. Everything comes out eventually.