Geert Leinders

[SundayRider]

There's a limited of doping Doctors around (the amount of Fuentes clients shows this!) because the honest/good doctors - don't help cycling teams in the way they want them too.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

It's wishing thinking hoping nothing comes out in relation to his practices.

There is a big difference between something coming out about his time at Rabo and at his time with Sky as to the impact for Sky.

And I am not wishing or hoping for a given outcome.

 

[thehog]

There's a limited of doping Doctors around (the amount of Fuentes clients shows this!) because the honest/good doctors - don't help cycling teams in the way they want them too.

A number of other former Rabobank riders have spoken to doping investigators recently and are said to have named Leinders as a supplier of doping. The criminal charges are believed to relate to that.

Leinders was questioned last month for over three hours by officials of the Belgian cycling federation.

The Belgian came on board as one of Team Sky’s doctors in late 2010. The squad was set up with the stated policy of not employing any doctors from within the sport, but changed that stance during that season. It came under criticism for its appointment of Leinders last year when it became clear that there were question marks over him regarding his time with Rabobank.

During last year’s Tour Sky principal Dave Brailsford conceded there was a ‘reputational risk’ to the team as a result, but insisted that Leinders had not doped riders on the team. “I categorically, 100 per cent say there is no risk of anything untoward since he’s been with us.”

Brailsford said at the time that the team would call a full meeting with the press in the autumn to discuss in detail how the team was run, to show it was fully transparent and to address the Leinders issue, but this ultimately did not take place.

In October an unnamed team spokesman confirmed that he had departed. “Dr Leinders worked with Team Sky on a freelance basis and his contract has now ended,” he told the Telegraph.

“This summer, as promised, we looked fully into his work with us, interviewed him and talked to riders and the full medical team.

“We had no doubts about his work with us or his approach. Before employing him we also made checks, gathered references and he was interviewed by (sports psychiatrist) Dr Steve Peters.”

If Leinders is ultimately found guilty on doping charges, the thoroughness of those background checks will come into question.

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...um-over-doping-allegations.aspx#ixzz2L4Rso7rY

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

If we've learned anything the last few months it's that 99.9% of riders, doctors, DS's and the like only admit to what the authorities already know, and often not even to that. The biggest risk for Sky is that this could be a PR debacle for them, the chances of anything beyond that are slim to none.

Completely agree.

 

[SundayRider]

'Leinders was team doctor with the Rabobank team for several years, but left the team in 2009, citing disillusionment with team policy at the time. It is not clear what he was referring to, but the Dutch squad had clamped down on doping after the Michael Rasmussen affair.'

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

There is a big difference between something coming out about his time at Rabo and at his time with Sky as to the impact for Sky.

And I am not wishing or hoping for a given outcome.

Leinders left Rabo because they were cleaning house, he was not okay with that new policy. So, the leopard suddenly goes to work at SKY who were to win the Tour clean in five years?

Please Pedro, do not be late with your waking up, you did that back in 1989 man.

For that matter, the less race more train myth of SKY is right out of the textbook of Leinders. He was rambling this 10 years ago.

 

[ebandit]

fool

I think I might be idiotic.

only a fool jumps to conclusions without really having any idea of the truth

 

[SundayRider]

Leinders left Rabo because they were cleaning house, he was not okay with that new policy. So, the leopard suddenly goes to work at SKY who were to win the Tour clean in five years?

Please Pedro, do not be late with your waking up, you did that back in 1989 man.

For that matter, the less race more train myth of SKY is right out of the textbook of Leinders. He was rambling this 10 years ago.

Leinders was unhappy at a team that was trying to clean up its act a bit, so he decides to join a team that is whiter than white, cleaner than clean. Yeah, makes err loads of sense.

 

[thehog]

Leinders was unhappy at a team that was trying to clean up its act a bit, so he decides to join a team that is whiter than white, cleaner than clean. Yeah, makes err loads of sense.

He was a dealer, a supplier and an administer of illegal drugs.

He injected cyclist with dangerous blood vector drugs.

He used his privilege as a Doctor to push his 'ways' on cyclists half his age.

But in the 8 months between Rabo and Sky he became enlightened and once he joined Sky he only prescribed herbs, low fat milk and saddle cream to its riders.

 

[thehog]

only a fool jumps to conclusions without really having any idea of the truth

There's none so blind as those who will not see.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

But in the 8 months between Rabo and Sky he became enlightened and once he joined Sky he only prescribed herbs, low fat milk and saddle cream to its riders.

Do not forget the rice cookies. New born man our Geert, soon to be Geert L.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Do not forget the rice cookies. New born man our Geert, soon to be Geert L.

Maybe he went the belle brigade and went

no i don't wanna die knowing
that i spent so much time when i was young
just trying to be the winner...so i wanna make it clear now
i wanna make it known
that i don't care about any of that **** no more

oh wait!

 

[orbeas]

Lienders

Interesting comment from off the web site story -------

Jyby Jeu16 minutes agoDear Cyclingnews,
Doping allegations aside, why do these so-called 'news' stories only barely mention Team Sky, but fail to point out explicitly the fact that this now alleged doping doctor worked with the most recent Tour de France winner during not only his Tour victory, but by far and away his most successful season? (Froome's late-blooming meteoric rise aside); nearly every article about Leinders mentions Sky at the very bottom, then qualifies the reference with the fact that they released him "in light of revelations"--t*he only real option available to teams. It's like breaking Ferrari's alleged doping practices and not mentioning Armstrong, or saying in a blurb that he stopped working with him in light of "revelations". Is it not a bigger news story than what happened in the now defunct Rabobank? What happened to journalism? One must ask the sincere question: does this have anything to do with FuturePLC's partnerships with Sky?

 

[ebandit]

truth

There's none so blind as those who will not see.

hoggie obviously there is more that observers deserve to know

the truth..................alas is that too much to expect?

leinders could have been the final piece in the team sky doping programme

but he might have only be employed with what brailsford states

 

[SundayRider]

hoggie obviously there is more that observers deserve to know

the truth..................alas is that too much to expect?

leinders could have been the final piece in the team sky doping programme

but he might have only be employed with what brailsford states

If you had to stake a large amount of money on a cycling team being 100% clean knowing they had employed a Dr like Leinders? I know I would not.

 

[The Hitch]

Beginning of the end of Team Sky?

Do you guys have absolutely 0.life experience?

Cos lienders is being investigated it means its.over?

Yeah.cos investigations like this are foolproof.and 100% guaranteed to find everything

Absolutely nothing has happened yet. Hold the celebrations until.something actually happens?

 

[coinneach]

If you had to stake a large amount of money on a cycling team being 100% clean knowing they had employed a Dr like Leinders? I know I would not.

OK, but can you see the difference between a team employing him full time (for 4 years?) to manage their programme and one that employs him for 80 days on a sessional basis.

I´m sure in both cases Leinders did what he was told: what do you think Sky would be expecting of him on that basis?

 

[thehog]

OK, but can you see the difference between a team employing him full time (for 4 years?) to manage their programme and one that employs him for 80 days on a sessional basis.

I´m sure in both cases Leinders did what he was told: what do you think Sky would be expecting of him on that basis?

There's a good 80 transfusions in those 80 days. Or 40 withdrawals followed by 40 infusions.

Do you think Ferrari works full time?

Alas Geert left Rabo because they wanted to go 'clean' - or did you miss that part?

 

[mastersracer]

Do you guys have absolutely 0.life experience?

Cos lienders is being investigated it means its.over?

Yeah.cos investigations like this are foolproof.and 100% guaranteed to find everything

Absolutely nothing has happened yet. Hold the celebrations until.something actually happens?

And so it begins. The conspiracy clinicians are already preparing for a lack of evidence against Sky by implicating the investigation rather than in any way suggesting it would be because there was no team-supported doping going on.

 

[coinneach]

only a fool jumps to conclusions without really having any idea of the truth

I am reminded of the interview with the the then Rangers manager (Davie White?) before a cup final against Celtic "Only an idiot would predict the result of this game before it starts. I think we´ll win 2-0"

No surprise then when they got beat

 

[coinneach]

There's a good 80 transfusions in those 80 days. Or 40 withdrawals followed by 40 infusions.

Do you think Ferrari works full time?

Alas Geert left Rabo because they wanted to go 'clean' - or did you miss that part?

I´ll concede that last point: they had to sweep out everyone associated with the doping that went on. And he was in charge of it. Whether he took the hint to go, or fell on his own sword, I don´t know.

He might have been glad to be away from it: doesn´t sound like he was working freelance making megabucks from it like some others were.

But we have to welcome an investigation into whatever he was doing.
And I´m still waiting for an explanation from Sky about their review into his practices whilst in the team...saying he´s no longer there isn´t nearly good enough

Oh and by the way there are lots of doctors who have done terrible things in the past who have gone on to be perfectly normal doctors afterwards (Not that I´d want them treating me!)

 

[Caruut]

And so it begins. The conspiracy clinicians are already preparing for a lack of evidence against Sky by implicating the investigation rather than in any way suggesting it would be because there was no team-supported doping going on.

What are you trying to say? Sorry, but I can't get my head around the meaning of this post.

 

[goggalor]

Not a great time for doping doctors.

 

[thehog]

What are you trying to say? Sorry, but I can't get my head around the meaning of this post.

I have to admit I'm lost as well...

I think he might be saying Dr. Blood is innocent.

 

[The Hitch]

What are you trying to say? Sorry, but I can't get my head around the meaning of this post.

He is saying we are.all bitter conspiracy theorists who can't stand the fact that wiggins won clean.

I think its possible that mastersracer is ligget. The intelligence bracket seems to be a perfect fit as is the tendency to rely almost.totally on the pr machine for ones arguments.
Add in the tendency to repeat flawed arguments a lot as if they were clever and the frequent failure to understand discussions and it looks possible.