Geert Leinders

[thehog]

Hein tweaked the software over xmas.

Who needs the bio passport?

I could pick them out off the TV coverage.

 

[Franklin]

Doesn´t prove anything definitive about Leinders on way or the other; but I would suggest there would be no way he´d be doping (at Sky or Rabbo) without it being directly ordered by the team managers

Well, he was one of the three team managers at Rabo, so at least one of them was aware

 

[Franklin]

Nice last sentence to the article:

“We had no doubts about his work with us or his approach. Before employing him we also made checks, gathered references and he was interviewed by (sports psychiatrist) Dr Steve Peters.”

If Leinders is ultimately found guilty on doping charges, the thoroughness of those background checks will come into question.

cycling is still run by liars, omertists, and cheaters, and i'm not even exaggerating here.

So they did a background check but missed he was team manager at Rabo during the MR case. They also missed he was aware of the whereabouts (see court decision).

I imagine his CV was like this:

1996-2006 Rabobank
2007 working in an orphanage in the Himalaya
2008 Rabobank
2009 Giro: working in an orphanage in the Himalaya

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

So they did a background check but missed he was team manager at Rabo during the MR case. They also missed he was aware of the whereabouts (see court decision).

I imagine his CV was like this:

1996-2006 Rabobank
2007 working in an orphanage in the Himalaya
2008 Rabobank
2009 Giro: working in an orphanage in the Himalaya

working in an orphanage in the Himalaya... so at least he had experience of altitude training.

 

[sniper]

So they did a background check but missed he was team manager at Rabo during the MR case. They also missed he was aware of the whereabouts (see court decision).

I imagine his CV was like this:

1996-2006 Rabobank
2007 working in an orphanage in the Himalaya
2008 Rabobank
2009 Giro: working in an orphanage in the Himalaya

exactly. brailsford's excuses wrt Leinders are among the most blatant insults of our intelligence. No one with a mind can seriously believe he hired Leinders without knowing about Leinders' real expertise.

Brailsford's lying tells me all I need to know about the current state of cycling (as bad as ever) and also about the true intentions of a guy like Vaughters who comes in here to play nice wheather and goes on to convince Walsh that there's nothing to see.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Again with the mentioning of Vaughters .

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

2007 working in an orphanage in the Himalaya

2009 Giro: working in an orphanage in the Himalaya

At last, we now know who chickasmith is. Geert Chicka, tha man, Smith.

 

[sniper]

Again with the mentioning of Vaughters .

Well yeah, the way he pretends to be the embodiment of anti-doping and at the same time tries to stop people from questioning Sky just makes my jaws drop. His claims of a truce in 2008. If it were up to JV, we could stop worrying about the fact thatunrepentent dopers and facilitators are still dominating the landscape. Armstrong 2009? who cares. UCI? oh well.

And I personally continue to wonder why Garmin are looking for all their marginal gains and medical science in Spain. Make of that what you will.
And take a minute and look at the profile of a guy like Gonzalez Haro. A blood and recovery specialist right there at the heart of Spanish Olympic long distance achievements (swimming/triathlon) in the 1990s and 2000s. Make of that what you will..
Then you have Weltz. Wtf is he doing at Garmin? Who recommended Weltz to JV? In 1996 Steffen warned about Weltz the drug cheat. JV knew what Weltz is all about (shared USPS history) and perhaps that's why he hired him.

San Millán? I'd acknowledge that he doesn't look like someone who pushes people to dope, yet he worked with Sutherland and Braijkovic in 2012 and, like Haro, he surely seems one of those who would know best how to keep the appearance of a clean blood profile (which I think is their first priority, not the administration of doping per se.)

If you've followed the Ryder Hesjedal thread, there isn't much reason to believe in that guy either.
I bet his blood profile looks sqeaky clean, but I think making profiles look good is exactly what Garmin's medical team is all about.

The funny thing is, I'd be willing to give JV some credibility if he weren't all over the place defending the fraudulent biopassport and Team Sky + Wiggins. The fact that he is, makes all the afore-mentioned issues look dodgy.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Sniper and I miss yours and Vaughters' chats in the JV thread.

While I do like some of what he says, I do call bullsh!it on the 2008 truce.

Mainly because, as we all know, everyone stopped two years before

 

[Franklin]

What a shock... Matschinger deliver blood bags to Leinders. Who would have seen that one coming?

http://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2013/02/23...-rabobank-werd-georganiseerd-doping-gebruikt/

Oh and a bit older, but I haven't seen it linked here. Mr. Leinders also did some touristic trips to Vienna to check out the Matschinger operation.

http://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2012/12/22/ploegarts-was-spil-dopinggebruik-bij-de-rabo-ploeg/

Google translate it if you don't speak dutchie^^

Remember when so many people called mr. Leinders as small fish? When people were claiming he only checked if riders didn't use too much? That he certainly wasn't a key figure in a team wide doping scandal winning several GT's?

Boy were these people wrong.

 

[Lanark]

He also says he is sure that the current peloton isn't much cleaner than it was then. He still has contacts in the peloton who tell him otherwise. Aicar, GW-1516.

 

[classicomano]

He also says he is sure that the current peloton isn't much cleaner than it was then. He still has contacts in the peloton who tell him otherwise. Aicar, GW-1516.

More shockingly, he says even juniors are heavy on the AICAR and GW-1516.

 

[Franklin]

More shockingly, he says even juniors are heavy on the AICAR and GW-1516.

Considering drug use under highschoolers their willingness to do so is hardly surprising. These guys are 17-18, so some of them will have left school already and have a smalltime job... and pump their cash into something to fullfill their dream of becoming a winner

 

[theyoungest]

Did they recycle an old article? The blood bag to Leinders story is old.

Furthermore, since his 'contacts' in the cycling world are presumably those he dealth with in the past, I'm not sure they're really representative of the new generation. Yes, he can say there's use of Aicar among juniors, I'm sure some will use it: the ones with super rich parents.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

We are lucky we are out of the EPO times, let the gene doping times flourish...

 

[JRanton]

What a shock... Matschinger deliver blood bags to Leinders. Who would have seen that one coming?

http://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2013/02/23...-rabobank-werd-georganiseerd-doping-gebruikt/

Oh and a bit older, but I haven't seen it linked here. Mr. Leinders also did some touristic trips to Vienna to check out the Matschinger operation.

http://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2012/12/22/ploegarts-was-spil-dopinggebruik-bij-de-rabo-ploeg/

Google translate it if you don't speak dutchie^^

Remember when so many people called mr. Leinders as small fish? When people were claiming he only checked if riders didn't use too much? That he certainly wasn't a key figure in a team wide doping scandal winning several GT's?

Boy were these people wrong.

Poor old Team Sky. Of all the doctors in all the lands they ended up with Geert Leinders. They only wanted someone to help treat saddle sores for goodness sake! How incredibly unfortunate.

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

What a shock... Matschinger deliver blood bags to Leinders. Who would have seen that one coming?

http://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2013/02/23...-rabobank-werd-georganiseerd-doping-gebruikt/

Oh and a bit older, but I haven't seen it linked here. Mr. Leinders also did some touristic trips to Vienna to check out the Matschinger operation.

http://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2012/12/22/ploegarts-was-spil-dopinggebruik-bij-de-rabo-ploeg/

Google translate it if you don't speak dutchie^^

Remember when so many people called mr. Leinders as small fish? When people were claiming he only checked if riders didn't use too much? That he certainly wasn't a key figure in a team wide doping scandal winning several GT's?

Boy were these people wrong.

This nasty drug pusher should have been locked up for years, not just a month.

 

[thehog]

Poor old Team Sky. Of all the doctors in all the lands they ended up with Geert Leinders. They only wanted someone to help treat saddle sores for goodness sake! How incredibly unfortunate.

Look he changed. After leaving Rabo he visited an Ashram in India.

He cleansed his soul.

At Sky he only practised clean methods of cycling.

I'm sick of these baseless accusations trying to tarnish Sky.

Power is down 10%. Explain that

 

[DirtyWorks]

More shockingly, he says even juniors are heavy on the AICAR and GW-1516.

Trawling the body building forums, that GW501 is liked for weight loss and recovery: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GW_501516

The peptides thing seems like the way to go in body building. The claim is there's no post-cycle anything, unlike hormones/roids.

 

[bobbins]

How is the Leinders trial going?

Seems to be a news black out amongst the Dogma riding, Rapha wearing cycling press!

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I don't have the quotes of Brailsford's reasoning for hiring Leinders, but if all Porte is getting out of it is

“If you had a problem you went and saw him but to me he was no different to any other team doctor that we’ve had at Saxo Bank or Sky. When I was sick he helped me. I didn’t know anything about his past, I had no idea. I heard him talk about Rabobank once or twice but whoopee do he’s the ex-Rabobank team doctor. He gave me caffeine maybe but that’s about it. He gave me Strepsils and Paracetamol.”

caffeine, strepsils and paracetamol, then the whole "any GP who rides a bike a bit or works with athletes" would seem to have fit the bill?

Whoopee do indeed.

 

[coinneach]

I don't have the quotes of Brailsford's reasoning for hiring Leinders, but if all Porte is getting out of it is



caffeine, strepsils and paracetamol, then the whole "any GP who rides a bike a bit or works with athletes" would seem to have fit the bill?

Whoopee do indeed.

At least Porte answered the question: we need to hear from all Sky riders what he did for them. That's in lieu of Braisfords investigation into Lienders, which he seems to be keeping to himself.

I'd like Sky to publish all the drugs proscribed to their team (even if its for a previous year) Otherwise, we've every right to be suspicious.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

At least Porte answered the question: we need to hear from all Sky riders what he did for them. That's in lieu of Braisfords investigation into Lienders, which he seems to be keeping to himself.

I'd like Sky to publish all the drugs proscribed to their team (even if its for a previous year) Otherwise, we've every right to be suspicious.

In the name of transparency, can you name one thing Sky have released / published?

 

[Dazed and Confused]

caffeine, strepsils and paracetamol, then the whole "any GP who rides a bike a bit or works with athletes" would seem to have fit the bill?

Whoopee do indeed.

Teams often employs 3-6 doctors. One hell of an expense just to issue caffeine, strepsils and paracetamol.

 

[peterst6906]

Teams often employs 3-6 doctors. One hell of an expense just to issue caffeine, strepsils and paracetamol.

I don't necessarily see that number as an issue for any team.

If you look at Sky this past week:

1 team racing in Tirreno-Adriatico
1 team racing in Paris-Nice
1 team in training camp for the classics campaign

Many of the doctors have other empoyment/private practices as well, so I can see how they'd need a team of doctors.

For Sky this week for example, the 3 involved in team activities might be needed for:

1 in Italy supervising reinfusions
1 in France supervising reinfusions
1 with the classics team supervising the EPO program

And the others back on their other jobs...

But the doping issue aside, all of the teams have multiple activities going at different times of the year, so multiple doctors are needed.