Geert Leinders

[blackcat]

Not true, my friend.

he was involved with the German or Swiss sprinter coach in Brisbane tho?

I remember him having some involvement, with some Australian champion swimmer.

Now, there are a few caveats: it may be an implanted (incorrect) memory. seems it is, by the reckoning with your correction, i receive in good faith.
ii) my memory is correct, but my information was wrong, the info was incorrect, where i read he had contact with Thorpe. Now, I need to be clear on this, I knew Thorpe learnt most of his swimming, and the young success, to his childhood avuncular coach, that is normally the type of coach at a pool who would have also done the learn-to-swim type coaching to make a buck . Then Thorpie moved to a different coach, his former art-teacher in high-school, who was also his in his pool squad, and she may have gone on to the AIS swimmming division in canberra, she made national teams, i am not certain she made an olympics team however. Tracy? someone? not wickham obviously. A young coach, ~ 40ish. not old. She was his art teacher in high school before she ever became a swimming coach.

So I do know Kerrison was never the head coach of Thorpe. He only had those two coaches, that i know of for certain. But he may have had consultants. Well, He did on his return, go to the Russian coach of Alex Popov who turned up with stanozolol in his security safe when he was the head coach at the AIS in the late 90s and early 2000s, Gennadi Touretski. Is online, and wiki if you wanna see. Think Tracy was his coach when he had the positive for lutenizing hormone. He had a bust up with his first coach over money when he saw how much dough his manager Flaskis was making out of him.

 

[oldcrank]

he was involved with the German or Swiss sprinter coach in Brisbane tho?

I remember him having some involvement, with some Australian champion swimmer.

Now, there are a few caveats: it may be an implanted (incorrect) memory. seems it is, by the reckoning with your correction, i receive in good faith.
ii) my memory is correct, but my information was wrong, the info was incorrect, where i read he had contact with Thorpe. Now, I need to be clear on this, I knew Thorpe learnt most of his swimming, and the young success, to his childhood avuncular coach, that is normally the type of coach at a pool who would have also done the learn-to-swim type coaching to make a buck . Then Thorpie moved to a different coach, his former art-teacher in high-school, who was also his in his pool squad, and she may have gone on to the AIS swimmming division in canberra, she made national teams, i am not certain she made an olympics team however. Tracy? someone? not wickham obviously. A young coach, ~ 40ish. not old. She was his art teacher in high school before she ever became a swimming coach.

So I do know Kerrison was never the head coach of Thorpe. He only had those two coaches, that i know of for certain. But he may have had consultants. Well, He did on his return, go to the Russian coach of Alex Popov who turned up with stanozolol in his security safe when he was the head coach at the AIS in the late 90s and early 2000s, Gennadi Touretski. Is online, and wiki if you wanna see. Think Tracy was his coach when he had the positive for lutenizing hormone. He had a bust up with his first coach over money when he saw how much dough his manager Flaskis was making out of him.

Yes, my friend, Tracey Menzies.

 

[Digger]

That Kerrison was about to be made s&c coach at English cricket before sky tells me how sought after he was...Jesus I could be s&c coach with a cricket team.

 

[blackcat]

Yes, my friend, Tracey Menzies.

seems i was right, and i was wrong. but you were correct.

I had consumed the error or minconception via the media.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/apr/27/bradley-wiggins-giro-tim-kerrison
I was right: he and this other dude Rollason went head to head with the rival sprint squad od stefan widmar.

good the freestylers beside the breastroker Liesel Jones and the medley swimmer Steph Rice nice nose.

There is a misconception, he says, that he worked with Ian Thorpe, but that is not the case. At the QAS, he and a fellow coach, Shannon Rollason, decided to work on the women's sprint, a weak area for the squad,

I actually teke issue with the qualifier misconception (even tho I have used it), because I remembered this scenario and context to a t. And my belief that I read it in the media that Sky were issuing out and seeding into Murdochs print and media empire, will be right. I am pretty confident about that. I know the names of Tracy and the original coach, even if the memory wont extricate itself, and I know about the training squad of Touretski and his swimmers, and even which swimmer it was who tested positive in 98. I got this thru a friend from Tammy Van Wisse. It aint too hard to work out, when 98 is all I will say. And I already thru Thorpie in the $hit with his lutenizing hormone when he was living in LA. <quote from David Marr about aussie expats going to Britain in the 60s and 70s to get a legal boof>

those two Brisbane Squads were like a maths faculty at CalTech MIT or PRinceton just head and shoulders above the proletariat.
https://www.google.com/search?q="tim+kerrison"+"ian+thorpe"&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

 

[blackcat]

Yes, my friend, Tracey Menzies.

seems i was right, and i was wrong. but you were correct.

I had consumed the error or minconception via the media.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/apr/27/bradley-wiggins-giro-tim-kerrison
I was right: he and this other dude Rollason went head to head with the rival sprint squad od stefan widmar.

good the freestylers beside the breastroker Liesel Jones and the medley swimmer Steph Rice nice nose.

There is a misconception, he says, that he worked with Ian Thorpe, but that is not the case. At the QAS, he and a fellow coach, Shannon Rollason, decided to work on the women's sprint, a weak area for the squad,

I actually take issue with the qualifier misconception (even tho I have used it), because I remembered this scenario and context to a t. And my belief that I read it in the media that Sky were issuing out and seeding into Murdochs print and media empire, will be right. I am pretty confident about that. I know the names of Tracy and the original coach, even if the memory wont extricate itself, and I know about the training squad of Touretski and his swimmers, and even which swimmer it was who tested positive in 98. I got this thru a friend from Tammy Van Wisse. It aint too hard to work out, when 98 is all I will say. And I already thru Thorpie in the $hit with his lutenizing hormone when he was living in LA. <quote from David Marr about aussie expats going to Britain in the 60s and 70s to get a legal boof>

those two Brisbane Squads were like a maths faculty at CalTech MIT or PRinceton just head and shoulders above the proletariat.
https://www.google.com/search?q="tim+kerrison"+"ian+thorpe"&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

 

[SundayRider]

I find it staggering that no journalist (British or otherwise) is not doing more digging or joining the dots regarding Leinders and Sky. The guy has just been banned from the sport for doping riders and all you get is a footnote at the bottom of articles saying 'he worked for Sky on freelance basis for two years, Brailsford says he was fine' Move along, nothing to see here.

 

[Digger]

I find it staggering that no journalist (British or otherwise) is not doing more digging or joining the dots regarding Leinders and Sky. The guy has just been banned from the sport for doping riders and all you get is a footnote at the bottom of articles saying 'he worked for Sky on freelance basis for two years, Brailsford says he was fine' Move along, nothing to see here.

They don't want to know. They are a disgrace. Fans with typewriters. In cycle sport in 2012 one writer said Kerrison should get person of the year for how he prepared sky's riders.
They swallow the marginal gains tripe.
They are only in it to be buddies with their heroes.

 

[bobbins]

They don't want to know. They are a disgrace. Fans with typewriters. In cycle sport in 2012 one writer said Kerrison should get person of the year for how he prepared sky's riders.
They swallow the marginal gains tripe.
They are only in it to be buddies with their heroes.

They were all so proud when Armstring went down yet when Sky follow the usps model the are only interested in concrete proof like a failed test. There is enough in this thread for any half decent journalist to build a story.

You're right, fans with typewriters who are only interested in rewriting press releases and enjoying team hospitality.

The English speaking press are a joke.

 

[TailWindHome]

only interested in concrete proof like a failed test..

I continue to be interested in the evidence of wrongdoing which you are withholding.

 

[King Boonen]

kerrison brought the marginal gains.

remember in LAnce's comeback, he had hired a triathlon coach, an Australian !!! an Australian triathlon coach who K Street and Burson Marstellar Orwelled into a euphemism weasel word "movement specialist".

Armstrong had a movement specialist. And i dont think they were talking bowel movement, just sayin, and Sky had a swimming coach.

Was there a rowing coach anywhere? Kerrison coached swimming in Brisbane no? And at some point in time he had some coaching relationship to Ian Thorpe no?

all so incestuous this doping palava. Instead of Schepisi directing 7 degrees of Separation with Will Smith, he could have directed 3 degrees of Separation with Hein Verbruggen and doping.

Kerrison's athletes won three gold medals in Aus, that's rubbish and I think it was all mainly reliant on one athlete. He then moved moved to British Swimming and completely failed to perform with massive funding. In fact, during his time there I think British Swimming had the most funding out of all sports, provided the worst returns on total medals for any of the multi-event sports and many others and the worst medals per funding ratio.

If Sky are doping Kerrison isn't running it. He is the decoy, using the "marginal gains", while something else is going on in the background through someone like Leinders.

 

[blackcat]

Kerrison's athletes won three gold medals in Aus, that's rubbish and I think it was all mainly reliant on one athlete. He then moved moved to British Swimming and completely failed to perform with massive funding. In fact, during his time there I think British Swimming had the most funding out of all sports, provided the worst returns on total medals for any of the multi-event sports and many others and the worst medals per funding ratio.

If Sky are doping Kerrison isn't running it. He is the decoy, using the "marginal gains", while something else is going on in the background through someone like Leinders.

marginal gains is a euphemism thoroughly disparaged.

if one uses said idiom in The Clinic, you can bet your life on it they are taking the p!$$

 

[blackcat]

They don't want to know. They are a disgrace. Fans with typewriters. In cycle sport in 2012 one writer said Kerrison should get person of the year for how he prepared sky's riders.
They swallow the marginal gains tripe.
They are only in it to be buddies with their heroes.

as i have said before
Gordonstoun and Gordonstoun and muscular christianity and stiff upper lip.

rugby harroaw and eton

and chariots of fire,

riding stallions on thebeach naked. no homo, not Nevil Shute.

some romantics byron shelley keats and blake.

but no talk about british public schools and what goes on in said dorms of british public schools.

some cambridge spies. some alan turing.

that is british in a heartbeat. a precis of british. none of this BS thirdway Balir nor britpop with Blur nor Oasis. mogadon banality. none of this Pulp stMartins sleeping with common people. Thatcher would just not put up with it.

devils advocate for empire crew.

Bojo and the genius of Kevin Pietersen.

only problem is, Bojo's lineage is NYC and Ottoman empire, and KPgenius Saffa and Afrikaans.

do ur self a happy ending favour and listen to Bojo do latin and with a special eye how he has the Australian political journo Annabel Crabb writhing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQKRAJTgEuo

 

[bobbins]

as i have said before
Gordonstoun and Gordonstoun and muscular christianity and stiff upper lip.

rugby harroaw and eton

and chariots of fire,

riding stallions on thebeach naked. no homo, not Nevil Shute.

some romantics byron shelley keats and blake.

but no talk about british public schools and what goes on in said dorms of british public schools.

some cambridge spies. some alan turing.

that is british in a heartbeat. a precis of british. none of this BS thirdway Balir nor britpop with Blur nor Oasis. mogadon banality. none of this Pulp stMartins sleeping with common people. Thatcher would just not put up with it.

devils advocate for empire crew.

Bojo and the genius of Kevin Pietersen.

only problem is, Bojo's lineage is NYC and Ottoman empire, and KPgenius Saffa and Afrikaans.

do ur self a happy ending favour and listen to Bojo do latin and with a special eye how he has the Australian political journo Annabel Crabb writhing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQKRAJTgEuo

I think you've got BS Tourettes mate. Might be worth going to see someone before you make yourself look like a tool on the internet. Oh, sorry, too late.

 

[sniper]

That is crazy, my friend, everybody knew
everything about him, we are told.

thanks for reminding us of your agenda oldcrank


some soundbites for you to enjoy:
https://soundcloud.com/secondcaptains-it-com/cheating-special-leinders-team-sky-russia-belichick

 

[sniper]

thanks for reminding us of your agenda oldcrank


some soundbites for you to enjoy:
https://soundcloud.com/secondcaptains-it-com/cheating-special-leinders-team-sky-russia-belichick

just 1 minute of your time: 18:15 to 19:15

 

[Ventoux Boar]

They don't want to know. They are a disgrace. Fans with typewriters. In cycle sport in 2012 one writer said Kerrison should get person of the year for how he prepared sky's riders.
They swallow the marginal gains tripe.
They are only in it to be buddies with their heroes.

I don't see too many pieces in translation from the fearless EFL press. No doubt you'll correct me, and this wasn't just more casual foamery. Leinders is the nexus of the biggest scandal in sport since Armstrong and it's like he's hiding in the Paraguay embassy, in Havana.

Sky must have terrified this guy to stop him singing.

 

[thehog]

CN: You describe him Dave Brailsford as "incredibly open." He certainly didn’t seem that way when he rang Cyclingnews to complain after we asked him about the Leinders investigation at the 2012 Worlds. Do you think it's fair to say that your experience of Sky and Brailsford in particular is very different from that of just about every other journalist in cycling?

DW: I wouldn't say it's very different to every other journalist in cycling, although it's certainly different to your one. What does Owen Slott say? What does Richard Moore say? What does William Fotheringham say? My guess would be that they find Brailsford pretty good to deal with. I think I've spoken to Owen Slott about it, and he's generally been ok with him. I did find him incredibly open and I think anybody who reads the book will find he's incredibly open. He's told me far more than most team managers in his situation would have done in my view. That's only my view. Someone else will say he's not. I found him incredibly open.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/interview-david-walsh-on-inside-team-sky

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Shudder. Brailsford open? Then why did Walsh not write anything he was told? Or are the revelations in the book so passe that noone's mentioned them? Did I miss something?

 

[blackcat]

I think you've got BS Tourettes mate. Might be worth going to see someone before you make yourself look like a tool on the internet. Oh, sorry, too late.

oh, I forgot, rowing, redgrave, coe cram ovett and alliteration, boatraces, oxbridge and paula radcliffe. definitely paula radcliffe. that is my british synopsis heartbeat.

and doping a'course, deflected by empire crew obfuscation and cognitive dissonance not necessarily in that order.

as you were

oh, and a midnight curry.
personally, I prefer a kebab

 

[blackcat]

Shudder. Brailsford open? Then why did Walsh not write anything he was told? Or are the revelations in the book so passe that noone's mentioned them? Did I miss something?

can someone confirm if he is married to fran millar for chrissakes.

stat.

yesterday, come on peoples.

 

[sniper]

CN: You describe him Dave Brailsford as "incredibly open." He certainly didn’t seem that way when he rang Cyclingnews to complain after we asked him about the Leinders investigation at the 2012 Worlds. Do you think it's fair to say that your experience of Sky and Brailsford in particular is very different from that of just about every other journalist in cycling?

DW: I wouldn't say it's very different to every other journalist in cycling, although it's certainly different to your one. What does Owen Slott say? What does Richard Moore say? What does William Fotheringham say? My guess would be that they find Brailsford pretty good to deal with. I think I've spoken to Owen Slott about it, and he's generally been ok with him. I did find him incredibly open and I think anybody who reads the book will find he's incredibly open. He's told me far more than most team managers in his situation would have done in my view. That's only my view. Someone else will say he's not. I found him incredibly open.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/interview-david-walsh-on-inside-team-sky

lol at CN's question.
godzilla facepalm at DW's answer.

 

[thehog]

lol at CN's question.
godzilla facepalm at DW's answer.

Walsh is funny.

"What do SkyBots say? They say Brailsford is open. Brailsford let me ride in the team car so I think they're clean"

 

[sniper]

Walsh is funny.

"What do SkyBots say? They say Brailsford is open. Brailsford let me ride in the team car so I think they're clean"

i like this one:

I think anybody who reads the book will find he's incredibly open.

you couldn't make it up.

walsh has undergone one of the most shocking transformations i have ever seen anybody undergo.
from investigative, critically acclaimed journalist, to Sky's lap dog

back on topic:
i seem to remember another case of Braislford complaining to the editor of some journal, but might be mistaken.
didn't bobbins provide another example?

 

[thehog]

i like this one:
you couldn't make it up.

walsh has undergone one of the most shocking transformations i have ever seen anybody undergo.
from investigative, critically acclaimed journalist, to Sky's lap dog

back on topic:
i seem to remember another case of Braislford complaining to the editor of some journal, but might be mistaken.
didn't bobbins provide another example?

He did and wasn't it Walsh who told us that this was a trick by Bruyneel back in the day? Write or ask doping related questions = no access.

 

[the sceptic]

Walsh is funny.

"What do SkyBots say? They say Brailsford is open. Brailsford let me ride in the team car so I think they're clean"

I almost feel bad for Walsh. His fanboys writings is going to look even dumber when everything comes crashing down.