General Doping Thread.

[Rob5091]

Belda's book gets some "corrections" by a former mechanic -
https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...the-pyrenees-with-a-cooler-with-bags-of-blood

CiclismoAldia have spoken with a former Kelme mechanic of those years who, under anonymity - and visibly disagreeing with what Belda said in his book - and in a recent interview in Marca, wanted to give a completely opposite version of the facts, starting with the accusations to Manzano of having "many drugs" in his possession:

"When you hear Vicente say that Manzano had a box of drugs it sounds to me like that's a lie, the kid was not like he paints him." He explains that Manzano's version of the doping practices allegedly directed by Vicente Belda and Dr. Eufemiano Fuentes is completely true: "I can attest that Jesús Manzano did not tell any lies. At Kelme they were all doping". ...He concludes by talking about something that used to happen before many time trials in which the team participated. He states that he does not know the substance, but he does know what it was called, something that Jesús Manzano talked about in his day: "When there was a time trial all the cyclists went through the coach and were injected with gas bus. I don't know what the product was, I know the nickname was gas bus."

Original article at https://ciclismoaldia.es/ciclismo/u...-pirineos-con-una-nevera-con-bolsas-de-sangre

 

[Dreginald]

Did anyone see this guy Jack Burke took both the mortirolo and stelvio KOMs. He’s pining after a world tour contract.. same guy that tested positive for a diuretic as a junior. Seems doped to the gils

 

[Mayomaniac]

Did anyone see this guy Jack Burke took both the mortirolo and stelvio KOMs. He’s pining after a world tour contract.. same guy that tested positive for a diuretic as a junior. Seems doped to the gils

Of course he is, guy won the Ötztaler Radmarathon twice. Went solo on the start of the Jaufen and raced both that climb and the Timmelsjoch faster than Kreuziger in the pro race a few years ago.
Kinda funny, the guy moved to Neustift im Stubaital, same valley as Denifl and only 8kms away from the later'ss hometown.
An ex of mine was from that valley and her father new Denifl's father rather well.

 

[Tricycle Rider]

Belda's book gets some "corrections" by a former mechanic -
https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...the-pyrenees-with-a-cooler-with-bags-of-blood

Original article at https://ciclismoaldia.es/ciclismo/u...-pirineos-con-una-nevera-con-bolsas-de-sangre

Gas bus sounds interesting, what could this "gas bus" be? Seeing as it was allegedly injected I'm presuming he's not talking about huffing CO like our current peloton does.

 

[troll hunter]

Did anyone see this guy Jack Burke took both the mortirolo and stelvio KOMs. He’s pining after a world tour contract.. same guy that tested positive for a diuretic as a junior. Seems doped to the gils

The guy was busted for using hydrochlorothiazide when he was 18. Funnily enough, the infamous Richard McLaren was very much in his defence - https://jurisprudence.tas-cas.org/Shared Documents/3370.pdf

I'd be very interested to know how he managed to beat Hindley by more than a minute in the last 2 kilometres on the Stelvio, when Dennis was drilling in front all the time, and demolishing the likes of Almeida, Majka, Bilbao, Kelderman, Nibali...

 

[Dreginald]

The guy was busted for using hydrochlorothiazide when he was 18. Funnily enough, the infamous Richard McLaren was very much in his defence - https://jurisprudence.tas-cas.org/Shared Documents/3370.pdf

I'd be very interested to know how he managed to beat Hindley by more than a minute in the last 2 kilometres on the Stelvio, when Dennis was drilling in front all the time, and demolishing the likes of Almeida, Majka, Bilbao, Kelderman, Nibali...

Well the simple answer is this guy started the climb 10 miles into a ride vs at the end of a long mountain stage towards the end of a GT

 

[wansteadimp]

The guy was busted for using hydrochlorothiazide when he was 18. Funnily enough, the infamous Richard McLaren was very much in his defence - https://jurisprudence.tas-cas.org/Shared Documents/3370.pdf

I'd be very interested to know how he managed to beat Hindley by more than a minute in the last 2 kilometres on the Stelvio, when Dennis was drilling in front all the time, and demolishing the likes of Almeida, Majka, Bilbao, Kelderman, Nibali...

Was that when Hindley was trying to fall off his bike whilst putting his jacket on?

 

[troll hunter]

Well the simple answer is this guy started the climb 10 miles into a ride vs at the end of a long mountain stage towards the end of a GT

I don't know, man. The canadian guy started to lose time massively around 13 kilometres, he was almost a minute down and suddenly he made up two minutes. Yeah, the stage was towards the end of the Giro, but Hindley and Tao were fighting for GC, and Dennis was riding as hard as he could to distance Kelderman and Almeida.

Was that when Hindley was trying to fall off his bike whilst putting his jacket on?

Yes, but that was within 1km of the summit.

 

[Mayomaniac]

Well the simple answer is this guy started the climb 10 miles into a ride vs at the end of a long mountain stage towards the end of a GT

The guy also rode it with really low temperatures, with rain and snowfall at the top, so not exactly the easiest conditions for him. Apparently he wanted to get the KoM of both sides in one ride, but he stopped because of the weather.

Anyone who dominates such an infamous Granfondo while not being a pro + those climbing times are eyebrow raising.
I mean, I can ride a 2h 5min Stelvio while chatting with a guy for 1/4 of the climb, but that is a crazy performance.

 

[Rob5091]

Gas bus sounds interesting, what could this "gas bus" be? Seeing as it was allegedly injected I'm presuming he's not talking about huffing CO like our current peloton does.

Yeah, gas bus was the interesting bit of info. My money's on more then one team was using it too.

 

[Tricycle Rider]

Yeah, gas bus was the interesting bit of info. My money's on more then one team was using it too.

Another interesting thing is it was supposedly injected prior to a time trial, that's kind of specific.

What could this gas bus be.

 

[Rob5091]

Another interesting thing is it was supposedly injected prior to a time trial, that's kind of specific.

What could this gas bus be.

"gas bus", I'm guessing can either refer to oxygen or more likely that the substance is like a hydrogen fueled bus that has no emissions (only water and some heat) or traceable effects in this instance.

 

[YellowSocks]

I understand that you don't get on well with Google. Gas bus seems to be the nickname of Actovegin. And contrary to what its real name might suggest, it is not vegan.
See here

 

[Rob5091]

Thanks for the info!
https://sciendo.com/article/10.2478/eabr-2023-0014

Currently, according to section M2, Chemical and Physical Manipulation of the World Anti-Doping Code, intravenous injections of Actovegin® exceeding 100 ml is prohibited and further serial injections must be at least 12 hours apart. Although the performance-enhancing effects of Actovegin® are still anecdotal, the use of this drug has undoubtedly been widespread in sports for more than two decades.

 

[Tricycle Rider]

I understand that you don't get on well with Google. Gas bus seems to be the nickname of Actovegin. And contrary to what its real name might suggest, it is not vegan.
See here

Rather than riding a gas bus Rob and I seem to be riding the google struggle bus, thanks for the info!

 

[Ripper]

Did anyone see this guy Jack Burke took both the mortirolo and stelvio KOMs. He’s pining after a world tour contract.. same guy that tested positive for a diuretic as a junior. Seems doped to the gils

Did you read the CAS decision on the positive?

 

[Oldermanish]

Daniel Vysocan poped for CERA -
https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...gan-provisionally-suspended-on-doping-charges

see also https://velo.outsideonline.com/news...er-cera-positive-at-road-world-championships/

So Vysocon we can say was not racing on "pain y agua".

But he quit on Cera. Que cera, cera.

 

[Oldermanish]

Well the simple answer is this guy started the climb 10 miles into a ride vs at the end of a long mountain stage towards the end of a GT

That's certainly one of the simple answers, at least.

 

[Sciatic]

But he quit on Cera. Que cera, cera.

😆

 

[Rob5091]

Done for EPO ...
https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...-testing-positive-for-banned-doping-substance

Only two months ago, the cycling world learnt about the positive EPO doping case of Jesse Ewart who competed and frequently won in the Asian calendar. This Wednesday the European peloton has been struck by bad news: Polish rider Kacper Gieryk has tested positive for the banned substance.

 

[Mayomaniac]

Done for EPO ...
https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...-testing-positive-for-banned-doping-substance

The Aussie Sputniks who tear up the Asian scene dope? Say it ain't so!

 

[Rob5091]

The Aussie Sputniks who tear up the Asian scene dope? Say it ain't so!

The article is about Kacper Gieryk -

He is a three-time winner of the under-23 ITT Championships in Poland and last year he won the under-23 Chrono des Nations at the end of the season.

From Inner rings X post see Inner Ring on X

But EPO just before the Worlds? Duh?!

 

[Sciatic]

The article is about Kacper Gieryk -

From Inner rings X post see Inner Ring on X

But EPO just before the Worlds? Duh?!

Also weird that it was the dEPO (darbopoietin/arenesp) version of standard EPO injections, because Darbopoietin is formulated to be a longer lasting blood booster (e.g. standard therapeutic dose is 1x every 2 weeks vs. 1x/week with regular EPO). Correct me if I’m wrong, but wouldn’t the extended release formulation mean a longer half-life and thus detectable for a longer period of time? If so it’s a Strange choice.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Also weird that it was the dEPO (darbopoietin/arenesp) version of standard EPO injections, because Darbopoietin is formulated to be a longer lasting blood booster (e.g. standard therapeutic dose is 1x every 2 weeks vs. 1x/week with regular EPO). Correct me if I’m wrong, but wouldn’t the extended release formulation mean a longer half-life and thus detectable for a longer period of time? If so it’s a Strange choice.

would that mean d stands for dumbo?

 

[Rob5091]

The only logical thing I can think of is they mixed up the EPO's - otherwise d is for dummies!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darbepoetin_alfa

It has a 3-fold longer serum half-life compared to epoetin alpha and epoetin beta. (plus fun fact! Darbepoetin alfa has black box warnings in the United States for increased risk of death)

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5405152/

“Next generation erythropoietins”, including darbepoetin alfa and a pegylated version of epoetin beta, were developed with altered structures, extending the elimination half-life of the drug and reducing the dose schedule necessary for hemoglobin maintenance—ranging from once-weekly to once monthly depending on the indication in CKD.