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Robert5091

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American football and doping ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...1a71d8-035a-11e7-ad5b-d22680e18d10_story.html
The filing likens painkillers to performance-enhancing drugs and says while players often felt compelled to use them to contribute to their teams, medical staffs felt pressured to administer them to remain competitive. A February 2006 memo included in the court filing from the Minnesota Vikings’ head trainer, Eric Sugarman . Writing to then-head coach Brad Childress and the team’s vice president for operations, the trainer said he had met for three hours with team physician David Fischer and lamented the fact the Vikings weren’t regularly using a powerful painkiller called Toradol, as other teams were.

“I expressed my concern that [the Vikings] are at a competitive disadvantage. . . . I feel very strongly about this point,” he wrote. “. . . I feel that Dr. Fischer is beginning to see my point of view on many issues. I also feel he is willing to change to improve.”
 
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American Footy and Rugby Union are in another world when it comes to doping - The athletes are so big, frighteningly big - I fear a fatality on the field due to the size and force f the players.
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I saw a full Rugby Union squad, wearing civvies, walking towards me at a train station in the UK a year or so ago. Jesus Christ! It was like a pack of bulls. Really. Completely ridiculous size. I'd only ever seen them on TV and was a bit shocked.

Just weights and protein shakes kids!
 
RedheadDane

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(Dunno if this is the right place to post this...)

One thing that kinda... irks... me is how riders after they've finished a ban is able to just return to their old team and get right back to racing, often despite having been "fired" by their team when the ban was given. And I know this has benefitted riders I actually quite like.

So, maybe it would be an idea to say that after a rider has completed a ban he (or she) has to wait a full season before being able to return to a pro team, so that if a rider's ban ends in October (s)he can't return the following January, but would have to wait a year.
(However, if a rider's ban ends in January perhaps some dispensation could be given, so the rider wouldn't have to wait two full years after his/her ban before returning.)
During the "probation period" the rider would still be allowed to ride for smaller teams - conti or lower - and be eligible for the national team if relevant, the rider would also be required to be tested more frequently.
 
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Benotti69 said:
60,000 vials of steroids and HGH found in Co,Donegal by Irish Police force

http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/steroids-medicines-worth-over-2-9999210

doping is rampant if it is in a rural area like the northwest of Ireland!!!!!!!
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You might want to acquaint yourself with the popularity of gyms over here. The Sport Ireland stats have the numbers for you.

Also, the logic that says found in Donegal means used in Donegal ... it's pretty astounding. Willy Voet, when he was stopped at the French border that time, did that mean there was massive doping going on in that part of the French border?
 
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RedheadDane said:
(Dunno if this is the right place to post this...)

One thing that kinda... irks... me is how riders after they've finished a ban is able to just return to their old team and get right back to racing, often despite having been "fired" by their team when the ban was given. And I know this has benefitted riders I actually quite like.

So, maybe it would be an idea to say that after a rider has completed a ban he (or she) has to wait a full season before being able to return to a pro team, so that if a rider's ban ends in October (s)he can't return the following January, but would have to wait a year.
(However, if a rider's ban ends in January perhaps some dispensation could be given, so the rider wouldn't have to wait two full years after his/her ban before returning.)
During the "probation period" the rider would still be allowed to ride for smaller teams - conti or lower - and be eligible for the national team if relevant, the rider would also be required to be tested more frequently.
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That was one of the points of the MPCC, at least one of their rules was that MPCC teams weren't allowed to sign riders within 2 years after their ban had ended.
Personally I don't agree with it, bans now are usually 4 years for 1st offence and you'd be adding 1.5 to 2 years on top of that. 4 years is enough of a punishment and I doubt the extra years would discourage more riders from doping.
 
RedheadDane

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Oh, I didn't know about bans being longer now. It just seems wrong to me that a rider can get a ban, and as a result get "fired" from his team. Then, when his ban is over his old team just happens to have a free spot for him. A free spot the team potentially have saved during the entire ban, thus - perhaps - blocking the way for a younger (clean) up-and-coming rider.
The returning rider would still be able to ride during his "probation year", just not on the WT. Though maybe he should be allowed to ride Pro-Conti as well.
And - as I said - if a ban ends in January that year should be enough for a probation period.
 
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yaco

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RedheadDane said:
Oh, I didn't know about bans being longer now. It just seems wrong to me that a rider can get a ban, and as a result get "fired" from his team. Then, when his ban is over his old team just happens to have a free spot for him. A free spot the team potentially have saved during the entire ban, thus - perhaps - blocking the way for a younger (clean) up-and-coming rider.
The returning rider would still be able to ride during his "probation year", just not on the WT. Though maybe he should be allowed to ride Pro-Conti as well.
And - as I said - if a ban ends in January that year should be enough for a probation period.
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Hey - Sports who are WADA compliant must follow the WADA Code - You can't unilaterally add time to a ban already served - Strange logic.
 
RedheadDane

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But if the rider isn't banned, but simply on probation? They'd still be allowed to ride and participate in competition, just not on the top-level.
It just seems strange to me that some teams will "fire" a banned rider, only to instantly give him a new contract as soon as the ban is over, with the fact that it would happen being a well-known "secret" during the entire ban. At least I don't think Saxo ever pretended to fire Contador back when he did he rather short two-year ban. Not many people can say they've completed a two-year ban in just a few months.
 
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RedheadDane said:
But if the rider isn't banned, but simply on probation? They'd still be allowed to ride and participate in competition, just not on the top-level.
It just seems strange to me that some teams will "fire" a banned rider, only to instantly give him a new contract as soon as the ban is over, with the fact that it would happen being a well-known "secret" during the entire ban. At least I don't think Saxo ever pretended to fire Contador back when he did he rather short two-year ban. Not many people can say they've completed a two-year ban in just a few months.
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It's a good thing innit. It's all smoke and mirrors. The ban/probation isn't really a ban, not in the sense we think it's a ban. It's an offering to the gods. Once the offering has been made, let them back in and get on with it. They are now 'better', 'purified'. My opinion is in the minority though so that probably reads like gobbledygook.
 
RedheadDane

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Okay... maybe it's not so much that riders are able to return instantly on the highest level after a ban, but more the way certain teams act around it. Can't come up with a concrete example but I think I recall teams, when one of their riders get a ban, basically going:

"We are firing [rider]. We are very disappointed him in and this is not the way we do things!"

Then, as soon as the ban is over, it's:

"We are very proud to welcome [rider] back to our team!" With it having been pretty much an official secret that that's exactly what would happen as soon as the ban was over.

If you are going to simply take the rider back as soon as his ban is over - and pretty much everyone knows that gonna happen - why not simply be honest? The firing-during-the-ban-hiring-when-the-ban-is-over thing seems more like PR from the teams.
 
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RedheadDane said:
But if the rider isn't banned, but simply on probation? They'd still be allowed to ride and participate in competition, just not on the top-level.
It just seems strange to me that some teams will "fire" a banned rider, only to instantly give him a new contract as soon as the ban is over, with the fact that it would happen being a well-known "secret" during the entire ban. At least I don't think Saxo ever pretended to fire Contador back when he did he rather short two-year ban. Not many people can say they've completed a two-year ban in just a few months.
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You still can't do it that way because you are adding to the ban - Of course some doped riders never return to the WT.
 
Robert5091

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http://www.bbc.com/sport/38884801
"Drug use at every level of sport is "fast becoming a crisis" according to UK Anti-Doping - responding to a BBC poll into doping in amateur sport.

It found more than a third (35%) of amateur sports people say they personally know someone who has doped, and 8% said they had taken steroids.

Half believe performance enhancing substance use is "widespread" among those who play sport competitively.

Ukad chief Nicole Sapstead described the figures as "incredibly alarming".

A BBC State of Sport investigation into doping in UK amateur sport also found that 49% thought performance-enhancing drugs (PEDs) were "easily available" among people who play sports regularly."

This does not come as a surprise to people who hang around here.
(like this at the end of the article, "Have you doped? Have you ever taken a performance enhancing substance? Does your sport have a problem with doping? Get in touch using this link - https://ssl.bbc.com/sport/contact " Anybody got any tips on where to forward this to?! :D )
 
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The point further down the article, about this becoming a public health issue, is surely what will eventually be the "giveaway" that a generation of pro sportspeople were doping. In 5/10 years time, when hundreds of retired former sports pros are suffering from health issues despite being in the physical group least likely to suffer from them, the truth will not be deniable anymore.

It might even convince those naive souls who still maintain that "only 10%" of pro sportspeople dope.
 
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