General News Thread

[May0maniac]

Re:

The Tour of Qinghai Lake has a longer history then the oh so great Strade Bianche...

Sorry, I didn't want to disrespect the race, it's a hard race at altitude and a rather long stage race that would actually be a great test for young gc prospects before riding their first gt (it's a long stage race at high altitude).
It was more about the fact that the race has had a few shady winners and the stories about the prize money being handed out in cash right after the race.

 

[TMP402]

Giro del Trentino becomes the Tour of the Alps.

http://www.cicloweb.it/2016/12/06/nuovo-nome-per-il-giro-del-trentino-ecco-il-tour-of-the-alps/

 

[May0maniac]

Re:

Giro del Trentino becomes the Tour of the Alps.

http://www.cicloweb.it/2016/12/06/nuovo-nome-per-il-giro-del-trentino-ecco-il-tour-of-the-alps/

Meh, that sounds like a name that Sean Kelly would just use to describe a race with a non-english name, Giro dell' Euregio would have been a better name, no need to change everything just to use an English name that has no real connection to the actual history of the race and the territory, Tour of the Alpes just sounds so random.

 

[TMP402]

Re: Re:

Giro del Trentino becomes the Tour of the Alps.

http://www.cicloweb.it/2016/12/06/nuovo-nome-per-il-giro-del-trentino-ecco-il-tour-of-the-alps/

Meh, that sounds like a name that Sean Kelly would just use to describe a race with a non-english name, Giro dell' Euregio would have been a better name, no need to change everything just to use an English name that has no real connection to the actual history of the race and the territory, Tour of the Alpes just sounds so random.

Spot on description.

 

[Alexandre B.]

Re: Re:

Giro del Trentino becomes the Tour of the Alps.

http://www.cicloweb.it/2016/12/06/nuovo-nome-per-il-giro-del-trentino-ecco-il-tour-of-the-alps/

Meh, that sounds like a name that Sean Kelly would just use to describe a race with a non-english name, Giro dell' Euregio would have been a better name, no need to change everything just to use an English name that has no real connection to the actual history of the race and the territory, Tour of the Alpes just sounds so random.

It's like those fake team names in Pro Evolution Soccer.

 

[coimbrawu]

Re:

They should just upgrade the Tour of Qinghai Lake to WT.
It's another race without history in a place that lacks cycling fans, they could try to create new races in places where people actually care about cycling and that have a nice domestic scene, but in the end it's all about money.

ToQL is hard to become WT race:

first and most importantly, the race organizer always like the race to hold in July, the florescence for rape flowers. The organizer (Sports bureau for Qinghai province) always want the race to promote the local tourism. So it's inevitable to conflict with tour de france. So it makes the race less exposed than it should be.

Second, the race is on high altitude. It's not only hard to compete, but also hard for TV live. There is no telephone signal is some area the race goes for, because no people live in many areas and it's very poor. So you can find video for some city circuit stages but only some race report for some high altitude stage.

Third, the race has become so weird that it goes to other province like Gangsu and Ningxia. To become a WT race means lesser stages. I'm not sure if they are willing to rescale.

 

[RedheadDane]

If they're going to rename the Giro del Trentino as the Tour of the Alps then they should commit and really make it a Tour of the Alps; including all the major Alpine climbs!

Personally I just think the English translation of Giro del Trentino is quite funny.

 

[Nirvana]

They should have called it "Tour of Tyrol".

 

[Gigs_98]

Re:

They should have called it "Tour of Tyrol".

But trentino wouldn't have been happy about this.

 

[Nirvana]

Re: Re:

They should have called it "Tour of Tyrol".

But trentino wouldn't have been happy about this.

Until 1919 Trentino was part of the County of Tyrol.
Was parted only after the WWI.

 

[Gigs_98]

Re: Re:

They should have called it "Tour of Tyrol".

But trentino wouldn't have been happy about this.

Until 1919 Trentino was part of the County of Tyrol.
Was parted only after the WWI.

I'm Austrian, I know the story. Every Austrian is still sad about this

The thing is, Südtirol is only a part of Trentino, therefore in a real Tour of Tyrol, the whole south part of Trentino would be missing. And since until now it was the Giro del Trentino I doubt that the region Trentino wants that the new name of their race is a name which doesn't fit for the majority of the state.

I agree with RedheadDane though. A tour called "Tour of the Alps", which takes place in April, which means probably no passes higher than 2000 meters, shouldn't really be named after the Alps. Also because the part of the Alps covered by Trentino, Nordtirol and Osttirol is only a very small part of the alps. Nevertheless I'm looking forward to this race. There are so many unknown climbs in Austria which could be used in this race. The Silzer Sattel, the Kühtai, the Pillerhöhe, the Hahntennjoch. Who knows, maybe Zomegan will design the race and include the Zillertaler Höhenstraße.

 

[RedheadDane]

Tour of The Somewhat Lesser Known Alps Located which are Located in Trentino, Nordtirol, and Osttirol.

Bit of a mouthful...

 

[Alexandre B.]

European Championships 2017 will be held in Herning, Denmark (2-6 August).

So the week after Clasica.

 

[Nirvana]

Re: Re:

They should have called it "Tour of Tyrol".

But trentino wouldn't have been happy about this.

Until 1919 Trentino was part of the County of Tyrol.
Was parted only after the WWI.

I'm Austrian, I know the story. Every Austrian is still sad about this

The thing is, Südtirol is only a part of Trentino, therefore in a real Tour of Tyrol, the whole south part of Trentino would be missing. And since until now it was the Giro del Trentino I doubt that the region Trentino wants that the new name of their race is a name which doesn't fit for the majority of the state.

I agree with RedheadDane though. A tour called "Tour of the Alps", which takes place in April, which means probably no passes higher than 2000 meters, shouldn't really be named after the Alps. Also because the part of the Alps covered by Trentino, Nordtirol and Osttirol is only a very small part of the alps. Nevertheless I'm looking forward to this race. There are so many unknown climbs in Austria which could be used in this race. The Silzer Sattel, the Kühtai, the Pillerhöhe, the Hahntennjoch. Who knows, maybe Zomegan will design the race and include the Zillertaler Höhenstraße.

The southern part of Trentino is missing only if you look at the actual austrian Tyrol + italian Südtirol but until 1919 also the actual province of Trento was part of the County of Tyrol.

 

[Eshnar]

Re: Re:

The southern part of Trentino is missing only if you look at the actual austrian Tyrol + italian Südtirol but until 1919 also the actual province of Trento was part of the County of Tyrol.

It was just for a short time (on history scale). It was grouped with Tyrol within Austria-Hungary just the same way Südtirol is grouped today with Trentino within Italy. Historically, Trentino (meaning only the province of Trento), was an Italian bishopric, independent (as much as a bishopric in the HRE could be) and mostly unrelated to the German-speaking Tyrol.

 

[May0maniac]

Re: Re:

The southern part of Trentino is missing only if you look at the actual austrian Tyrol + italian Südtirol but until 1919 also the actual province of Trento was part of the County of Tyrol.

It was just for a short time (on history scale). It was grouped with Tyrol within Austria-Hungary just the same way Südtirol is grouped today with Trentino within Italy. Historically, Trentino (meaning only the province of Trento), was an Italian bishopric, independent (as much as a bishopric in the HRE could be) and mostly unrelated to the German-speaking Tyrol.

Correct, the bishopric was pretty much an indipendent entity inside the HRE, until the Napoleonic Wars led to a secularizationand then to the end of the HRE and became a part of the Habsburgian Empire.
Still, they are pretty keen to point out the fact that they've been a part of the HRE and the Habsburgian Empire for centuries and there's even a lot of nostalgia towards Austria-Hungary, they've got a very stronn regional identity, but you could say the same about almost every single Italian region.

 

[GuyIncognito]

As of today there are no more italian WT teams

 

[Ricco']

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As of today there are no more italian WT teams

There was none before today too, because TJ Sports - Lampre was going to be a team registered in China.

 

[Alexandre B.]

Tour de Romandie 2017

1°) Aigle (prologue)
2°) Aigle - Champéry
3°) Champéry - Bulle
4°) Payerne - Payerne
5°) Domdidier - Leysin
6°) Lausanne - Lausanne (ITT)
https://twitter.com/TourDeRomandie/status/807178923310256132?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

 

[roundabout]

Re:

Tour de Romandie 2017

1°) Aigle (prologue)
2°) Aigle - Champéry
3°) Champéry - Bulle
4°) Payerne - Payerne
5°) Domdidier - Leysin
6°) Lausanne - Lausanne (ITT)
https://twitter.com/TourDeRomandie/status/807178923310256132?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

The stage to Champery seems to be almost entirely flat except for a climb to Vex(?) before the last climb. And Champery is almost an uphill sprint territory going by the 2013 Dauphine.

And Leysin seems to be over the Pillon so the final should be the same as in 2011

http://www.cyclingfans.net/images/2011_tour_de_romandie_stage1_profile.jpg

In 3 letters, ugh.

 

[May0maniac]

Apparently they really want to do the double Zoncolan in 2018, just recently Sutrio spend 300k for works on the 3rd, unused road of the Zoncolan from Priola, 8.9 km at 12.8%.
Source: http://messaggeroveneto.gelocal.it/sport/2016/12/06/news/ciclismo-in-rete-1.14525316
I think that a double Zoncolan ascent would be a logistic nightmare, you can't really use the Sutrio side as the first one, the narrow tunnel's on the Ovaro side would be a problem for the neutral cars on the descent and Zoncolan from Ovaro would also be a mess, the final 3km of the Zoncolan form Priola would be identical to the first 3 of the descent.
You could descent back down to Sutrio right after the junction of the 2 ascents or you could have the finish right there, there's a Ski station right at junction. In that case the final climb would be 5.7km at 12.8%.

 

[GenericBoonenFan]

Etienne Fabre (a stagiar this year at AG2R) tragically died during training in the Mountains.

 

[Red Rick]

Re:

Etienne Fabre (a stagiar this year at AG2R) tragically died during training in the Mountains.

That's awful. What happened?

 

[GenericBoonenFan]

Re: Re:

Etienne Fabre (a stagiar this year at AG2R) tragically died during training in the Mountains.

That's awful. What happened?

He fell during a hike in the mountains.

 

[RedheadDane]

This has seriously been a crap year.