General News Thread

[Tim Cahill]

Entirely unacceptable paintjob, which should see MVDP stripped of his World Championship title by the UCI!!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1800472490785087490

If you are to do the custom WC bike it needs to be tasteful and strictly in band-formation only.

 

[RedheadDane]

If you are to do the custom WC bike it needs to be tasteful and strictly in band-formation only.

From a distance, you won't be able to see the individual splotches, so it will look like a regular band-formation.
Not sure why you're using a bike that has nothing on the frame as an example how you think it should be done.

 

[Netserk]

Entirely unacceptable paintjob, which should see MVDP stripped of his World Championship title by the UCI!!

Yeah, you'd hope the UCI doesn't allow it.

 

[Tim Cahill]

From a distance, you won't be able to see the individual splotches, so it will look like a regular band-formation.
Not sure why you're using a bike that has nothing on the frame as an example how you think it should be done.

From a distance it will look like a toddler has broken into the garage and oh no what have you done with your fathers nice white bike!!!

 

[RedheadDane]

From a distance it will look like a toddler has broken into the garage and oh no what have you done with your fathers nice white bike!!!

It's not supposed to be a white bike. It's supposed to be a bike with rainbow stripes on.
The bike of a World Champion should have rainbow colours, not just be boring and white.

 

[Tim Cahill]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1800933859338404166

Yellow card system could be a career ender for the likes of Philipsen and Groenewegen.

 

[Nick2413]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1800933859338404166

Yellow card system could be a career ender for the likes of Philipsen and Groenewegen.

Do they go into detail on the yellow card system at all? Bringing refereeing into cycling seems dangerous.

Other than sprints, what actions in the last year or so would’ve warranted a yellow card? Taking a corner too fast or attacking on Poggio descent? Or just aggressive behavior between riders?

Edit - didn’t see the images in the post at first

 

[Netserk]

Do they go into detail on the yellow card system at all? Bringing refereeing into cycling seems dangerous.

Other than sprints, what actions in the last year or so would’ve warranted a yellow card? Taking a corner too fast or attacking on Poggio descent? Or just aggressive behavior between riders?

I hope reckless inattention gets punished.

 

[search]

Bringing refereeing into cycling seems dangerous.

"These yellow cards will represent a sanction but will not physically exist", is what it says in the press release. So there won't be a real referee with cards, I'm afraid, following the race on an e-bike .

About the kind of infringements it says "Race Commissaires will therefore be able to issue these yellow cards for any offence likely to pose a risk to the safety of the competition. The 21 race incidents concerned are listed in article 2.12.007 of the UCI Regulations".

2.12.007 includes all kind of stuff (on from page 104):

https://assets.ctfassets.net/761l7gh5x5an/6FEzFHeA2oKMBGb5sdIvQ7/6ecdf625b5175759daed42c522204ef1/2-ROA-20240205-E.pdf

 

[RedheadDane]

Other than sprints, what actions in the last year or so would’ve warranted a yellow card? Taking a corner too fast or attacking on Poggio descent? Or just aggressive behavior between riders?

Riders fighting... it has happened.

 

[Tim Cahill]

Do they go into detail on the yellow card system at all? Bringing refereeing into cycling seems dangerous.

Other than sprints, what actions in the last year or so would’ve warranted a yellow card? Taking a corner too fast or attacking on Poggio descent? Or just aggressive behavior between riders?

Page 103, though I imagine the offences pertain to safety aspects rather than "Use of a non-compliant clothing"

https://assets.ctfassets.net/761l7gh5x5an/6FEzFHeA2oKMBGb5sdIvQ7/6ecdf625b5175759daed42c522204ef1/2-ROA-20240205-E.pdf

 

[Nick2413]

Seems like something there were already rules for but this will just increase the enforcement and visibility of it all. Anything that a rider could get yellow carded for should’ve already been punishable by fine or DQ/relegation.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

In practice, the yellow card system as proposed is going to change (next to) nothing under the current interpretation of the rules. How many riders have received relevant punishments twice in the same race, three times in a month or six times in a year?

 

[tobydawq]

In practice, the yellow card system as proposed is going to change (next to) nothing under the current interpretation of the rules. How many riders have received relevant punishments twice in the same race, three times in a month or six times in a year?

Isn't the whole point that this should discourage riders from riding dangerously? Thus, if they have a yellow card, they might be more inclined to behave.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Isn't the whole point that this should discourage riders from riding dangerously? Thus, if they have a yellow card, they might be more inclined to behave.

The problem is that it isn’t much of a discouragement when you need to accumulate rules violations at virtually, if not entirely, unprecedented rates to even be at risk of being affected by the yellow card system. Either they needed to set the limits lower (something along the lines of 2 within 30 days, 3 within 3 months or 5 within a year) or they needed to tie it in with a tightening of the way in which the rules are applied. Because now it sadly seems to me like it isn’t going to help much, if at all.

 

[Nick2413]

In practice, the yellow card system as proposed is going to change (next to) nothing under the current interpretation of the rules. How many riders have received relevant punishments twice in the same race, three times in a month or six times in a year?

Either it’s going to be largely irrelevant due to never being used, or they’ll be tightening up enforcement a great deal. I really don’t think either of those 2 options is a good thing.

The stuff causing crashes has been completely unrelated in most cases and relegations/DQs are already happening regularly anyway so that won’t change much.

 

[search]

"21 race incidents" are quite a lot, so it could very well include stuff like littering, as it's part of Rule 8, "Failure to respect instructions, improper, dangerous or violent behaviour; damage to the environment or the image of the sport".

Carapaz got two strikes for littering in the 2022 Vuelta, for example.

 

[awavey]

littering is not really a safety issue is it ? its annoying, but youd think these yellow cards would crop up more for sprinting rule violations, changing lines, cutting off competitors etc.

 

[search]

littering is not really a safety issue is it ? its annoying, but youd think these yellow cards would crop up more for sprinting rule violations, changing lines, cutting off competitors etc.

yeah, but try to find 21 of those in the UCI rules.

 

[Nick2413]

The rules are partly being implemented for the image of the sport if we’re being honest, so I definitely think they’ll try to sandwich littering in as a “safety” issue. Now that they’ve created a system there will be pressure to use it as well, they will probably have a quota of yellow cards to give out at each race and for each team, rider etc., there will be make up calls, it will get political.

The 3km rule changing to 5km and the potential radio reduction to 2 riders per team could have positive changes, but radio can technically be used to warn riders about safety so that’s kind of moot.

 

[Slavique Nuke]

Day suspensions are a joke, those should be race-day suspensions

 

[awavey]

yeah, but try to find 21 of those in the UCI rules.

well its difficult to know which 21 of the rules they mean as 2.12.007 has at least 60+ rule infringements listed they sanction for, and yes 1 of those is disposing of waste outside of designated litter zones, but they also have a rule against pee stops, and sticky bottles, if they start handing out race bans for that its going to get a bit daft.

I noted also this yellow card system applies to DS's, drivers of vehicles within the race, press/media, & motorbike riders.

 

[Kaptain Kool]

I like the introduction of yellow cards. IMHO an infraction in the finale should also result in a penalty kick for team on the receiving end of the infraction. Score and you get to choose between a 1 minute time bonus or 50 points in the points competition for any one rider on the team. Then you'd have real race consequences for dangerous behavior.

 

[Nick2413]

I like the introduction of yellow cards. IMHO an infraction in the finale should also result in a penalty kick for team on the receiving end of the infraction. Score and you get to choose between a 1 minute time bonus or 50 points in the points competition for any one rider on the team. Then you'd have real race consequences for dangerous behavior.

So if Philipsen blocks WVA on a sprint, Vingegaard should get a 1 minute time bonus?

 

[Kaptain Kool]

So if Philipsen blocks WVA on a sprint, Vingegaard should get a 1 minute time bonus?

Yup, if that's what Visma chooses.