General News Thread

[Arnout]

are you serious?

I'm afraid he is...

In no mountain stage he was weaker than Schleck though. I hope he can win the Tour this year.

 

[El Pistolero]

I'm afraid he is...

In no mountain stage he was weaker than Schleck though. I hope he can win the Tour this year.

I'm afraid to ask, but are you serious?

Andy Schleck sucked this year, Rolland is not as good as Andy. End of story. Just the usual chauvinistic nonsense. I bet Thomas Degendt is just an as good climber as Andy Schleck just because he out-climbed him at Suisse and stayed with him on Alpe

Andy's level in the mountains was lower this year than usual. If Rolland is only as good as this year's Andy he's not nearly good enough. In my opinion, Andy slacked off this year because he thought he'd have it "easy" when Contador wouldn't be there.

 

[Arnout]

Oh yes, I forgot I'm French and so chauvinistic about Rolland.

But you're right, Rolland is not stronger than Schleck, but Schleck was weaker than Rolland.

 

[El Pistolero]

Oh yes, I forgot I'm French and so chauvinistic about Rolland.

But you're right, Rolland is not stronger than Schleck, but Schleck was weaker than Rolland.

No, not you I'm talking about Jean-René Bernaudeau.

So Schleck is a tactical idiot and was worse than Rolland and still finished way higher than him Bright future Rolland has Lol.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

No, not you I'm talking about Jean-René Bernaudeau.

So Schleck is a tactical idiot and was worse than Rolland and still finished way higher than him Bright future Rolland has Lol.

you clearly haven't seen the tour 2011. did you even know what rollands role was?

 

[El Pistolero]

you clearly haven't seen the tour 2011. did you even know what rollands role was?

Yeah, supporting Voeckler in the mountains where no one ever attacked except in the Alpes. And when they attacked on Galibier and Alpe stages, Rolland didn't react. In fact, he only worked a little on the stage Andy won.

Voeckler matched Andy Schleck on every mountain except Alpe because he foolishly tried to follow Contador even after getting dropped. Is he just as good as Andy as well now? Is Voeckler going to win the Tour? Yeah, I very much doubt it.

 

[The Hitch]

Schleck was also way better on 18.

 

[jens_attacks]

sorry pistolero rolland looked better than some tour winners.there is no limit for him.didn't see someone breathing like that since landis and basso,the man is the real deal

 

[El Pistolero]

sorry pistolero rolland looked better than some tour winners.there is no limit for him.didn't see someone breathing like that since landis and basso,the man is the real deal

Then why was he so slow on Alpe Dhuez? The time was pathetic compared to some Tour winners

 

[jens_attacks]

Then why was he so slow on Alpe Dhuez? The time was pathetic compared to some Tour winners

lol
did you even check the telegraphe and galibier times?

of course after you go full gas on galibier you can't eat the alpe.i didn't verified the times but i know for sure that telegraphe was ridden as a new record and telegraphe+galibier also new record,faster than pantani and the stratospheric soler ascent from 2007

comparing just the alpe times is comparing apples and oranges.also the time wasn't real bad,still faster than guerini

 

[Arnout]

Also Alpe was last MTF of the Tour, sometimes its one of the first (2003 for example).

 

[roundabout]

News.

There's talk once again of making Sanremo more difficult for the sprinters. I doubt anything significant will happen, but it still counts as news.

http://www.tuttobiciweb.it/index.php?page=news&cod=45064&tp=n

End news.

 

[The Hitch]

I would prefer leave it as it is. Its better if the sprinters have 1 monument besides they do have to really work for it. We only have to wait like 2 weeks after MSR anyway for loads of exciting race we don't need San Remo to change.

Besides I think its well set for next year with both Gilbert and Michelle wanting to make it hard,

 

[El Pistolero]

lol
did you even check the telegraphe and galibier times?

of course after you go full gas on galibier you can't eat the alpe.i didn't verified the times but i know for sure that telegraphe was ridden as a new record and telegraphe+galibier also new record,faster than pantani and the stratospheric soler ascent from 2007

comparing just the alpe times is comparing apples and oranges.also the time wasn't real bad,still faster than guerini

But Rolland was in the peloton the whole time. They caught up with Contador in the descends and the valley, not in the mountains.

Andy was there on Galibier and Telegraphe and Contador was there as well. But NOT ROLLAND.

 

[El Pistolero]

I would prefer leave it as it is. Its better if the sprinters have 1 monument besides they do have to really work for it. We only have to wait like 2 weeks after MSR anyway for loads of exciting race we don't need San Remo to change.

Besides I think its well set for next year with both Gilbert and Michelle wanting to make it hard,

Michelle is a girls name.

Personally I wouldn't mind if they made it harder. You need to remember the Poggio used to be closer to the finish than it is these days, so it would only be fair if they made it harder in my opinion.

 

[jens_attacks]

But Rolland was in the peloton the whole time. They caught up with Contador in the descends and the valley, not in the mountains.

Andy was there on Galibier and Telegraphe and Contador was there as well. But NOT ROLLAND.

yes but don't you think the average speed on the whole galibier did affect rolland too?they weren't more than one minute behind.galibier was raced at an extremely hard pace and this right after the start of telegraphe.never happened in the climb's last 20 years history i think.so yep rolland was pretty damn exceptional all this tour.and i think he can do it again.

 

[El Pistolero]

yes but don't you think the average speed on the whole galibier did affect rolland too?they weren't more than one minute behind.galibier was raced at an extremely hard pace and this right after the start of telegraphe.never happened in the climb's last 20 years history i think.so yep rolland was pretty damn exceptional all this tour.and i think he can do it again.

I'm sure of one thing: it cost him a lot less effort than Contador and Samuel Sanchez. The peloton was still pretty big at the base of the final climb. He was good, but he wasn't as good as Andy in 2009 or 2010...

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Then why was he so slow on Alpe Dhuez? The time was pathetic compared to some Tour winners

 

[The Hitch]

So it would only be fair if they made it harder in my opinion.

Why fair? Hilly riders already have so many other classics and monuments. Its not like this one is out of reach if they work for it.

We always complain that sprinters are given easy races they dont have to work for like Copenhagen or 90% of TDF stages.

Well MSR is one of the big sprinters crowns but is the only one they have to work for.

Its the one thing keeping sprint finishes from being boring 100% of the time.

You wish to take that away in order to have 21 rather than 20 hilly classics a season?

 

[El Pistolero]

Selective quoting for the win, you'd be a great journalist. I explained why it would be fair, but you edited that part out for crying out loud... Besides this has only been a race for the bunch sprinters since '97... It's not a race for sprinters, that wasn't the point of the race for most part of its history.

 

[El Pistolero]

Jens was comparing him to Tour winners Not me.

 

[jens_attacks]

Jens was comparing him to Tour winners Not me.

i always exagerate a little bit.and i was comparing him to those because of his breathing technique and i won't change my opinion about him

as for san-remo,cipressa and poggio is enough,maybe some 30-40 km of flat added would be better though

 

[El Pistolero]

i always exagerate a little bit.and i was comparing him to those because of his breathing technique and i won't change my opinion about him

as for san-remo,cipressa and poggio is enough,maybe some 30-40 km of flat added would be better though

I want MSR to finish on the Via Roma again. Closer finish to the Poggio which increases the chance of escaping a bunch sprint just a little bit more. They changed the finish in 2008, but they did add in the Cipressa as well then. So, finish on the Via Roma while keeping in the Cipressa would be pretty cool.

 

[The Hitch]

Selective quoting for the win, you'd be a great journalist. I explained why it would be fair, but you edited that part out for crying out loud.

I edited it out because its the bit where you say "So it would only be fair if they made it harder in my opinion" that I wanted to contest. Since I am responding I can take issue with whatever part of your post I want, I don't have to quote the whole post if I only want to take issue with the word "fair".

I know what you are saying and I know that it was not a sprinters race until the recently, but that means little to me.

Just like the fact that Vuelta used to be in April wont convince me to want it moved back there again, the fact that MSR used to be more selective doesn't mean that it would be better that way now.

Its better now because the sprinters have a race they have to work for and they have a monument.

Gilbert has tons of races he can win easy. If he wants MSR he should be made to tackle the same obstacles Bettini and Cancellara have - the fact that it is a less selective race.

 

[El Pistolero]

I edited it out because its the bit where you say "So it would only be fair if they made it harder in my opinion" that I wanted to contest. Since I am responding I can take issue with whatever part of your post I want, I don't have to quote the whole post if I only want to take issue with the word "fair".

I know what you are saying and I know that it was not a sprinters race until the recently, but that means little to me.

Just like the fact that Vuelta used to be in April wont convince me to want it moved back there again, the fact that MSR used to be more selective doesn't mean that it would be better that way now.

Its better now because the sprinters have a race they have to work for and they have a monument.

Gilbert has tons of races he can win easy. If he wants MSR he should be made to tackle the same obstacles Bettini and Cancellara have - the fact that it is a less selective race.

Cancellara won the race in 2008 when the Cipressa was added. This tired the sprinters out and that's why MSR didn't end in a bunch sprint anymore. In 2009 the sprinters were better prepared though: so it was a bunch sprint again.

Bettini won MSR when it still finished on the Via Roma: that's closer to the Poggio than the finish nowadays.

Milan-San Remo has had a few changes over the years, so I don't see why now it would become a problem all of a sudden



Ps: I didn't mention Gilbert like once, he has nothing to do with me thinking San Remo should finish on the Via Roma again.