Gent-Wevelgem 24th March 2013

[kingjr]

Genuinely disappointed you alligned yourself to such a dimwitted argument.

He finished about 10th in the peloton today. Must have lost his sprint.

Cav NEVER wins the bunch sprint when the main event is over. And he doesn't get beat by AK when it matters either. Debating either of those points is just purile.

Thats just bull**** to say this like its carved in stone. Everyone can be beaten in a sprint after a long hard day of racing, even Cavendish.

 

[Der Effe]

Some of the people here who are having a go at Sagan for simply being himself and trying to have a good time really need to have a long-hard look at themselves and ask if they're becoming the cycling equivalent of the Christmas Grinch

+ 3 hundred million and 47 thousand.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Genuinely disappointed you alligned yourself to such a dimwitted argument.

He finished about 10th in the peloton today. Must have lost his sprint.

Cav NEVER wins the bunch sprint when the main event is over. And he doesn't get beat by AK when it matters either. Debating either of those points is just purile.

As I said at the time, Chav could have sat up at the top of the Poggio when they were caught and the peloton was only 10 seconds behind.

But just because he obviously didn't give his all in the péloton sprint for the minor places does not mean that we can guarantee he WOULD have won from the péloton. Conditions at MSR were weird, and Cavendish has been beaten in the past. It's far too presumptuous to say he WOULD have won.

Complaining about a team having no tactical sense when they won nearly every Classic going just twelve months ago is not all that worthy of feeling superior in and of itself. My guy got screwed!

 

[Parrot23]

Their classics campaign isn't working. Not sure why.

Don't they have new people in the car, too? Wiggins alluded to that at Catalyuna, that he missed Yate's advice on the road, saying that they "the riders" were trying to work with the new people.

But I'm not sure if this applies to their classics team, or just him at Catalyuna.

 

[Marco Pantani]

Sagan just sits on Cancellara's wheel and dusts his *** in the sprint. Easy win for Sagan.

Will be great, but still Sagan will be helpless and get destroyed by Cancellara on Kwaremont and Pater.

 

[Orbit501]

Pure jealousy to be hating on Sagan.

The bloke has bags of fight in him, never knows when he's beat and I for one welcome his breath of fresh air with open arms.

P.S. I'm well happy with Bozic finishing in 2nd place too.

 

[gjb483]

Amazing ride by Sagan. They gave him an inch and he was gone.

 

[kingjr]

Thing is he's not just celebrating his victory, there's nothing wrong with that - everyone celebrates wins. Sagan is different though, he is celebrating in a way to draw attention to the celebration - no one else does that,

lol what


10ch

 

[roosters76]

Sagan vs Cancellara next week. how good will that be _O_

Cancellara has an advantage in the next race by abandoning today. I didn't see him finishing second today. So if we compare, apples to apples, please...

 

[Flamin]

Will be great, but still Sagan will be helpless and get destroyed by Cancellara on Kwaremont and Pater.

Never ever.

 

[Afrank]

Thing is he's not just celebrating his victory, there's nothing wrong with that - everyone celebrates wins. Sagan is different though, he is celebrating in a way to draw attention to the celebration - no one else does that, and it's definitely going to rub a lot of people up the wrong way.

He's doing a unique celebration, big deal, I don't see why some people don't like that. I personally, don't see anything at all wrong with it. In fact I like unique celebrations.

 

[richwagmn]

Sagan seems to be a guy who really enjoys being on his bike. He's a young guy having fun and it's strange that he rubs people the wrong way because of that.

If anyone can point to a single quote from Sagan where he's disrespecting his competition or talking sh_t (think all the crap Cavendish has said over his career) I'd love to read it.

Sagan's a class act.

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

But just because he obviously didn't give his all in the péloton sprint for the minor places does not mean that we can guarantee he WOULD have won from the péloton. Conditions at MSR were weird, and Cavendish has been beaten in the past. It's far too presumptuous to say he WOULD have won.

Complaining about a team having no tactical sense when they won nearly every Classic going just twelve months ago is not all that worthy of feeling superior in and of itself. My guy got screwed!

You're making some pretty big linguistic leaps in your interpretation of what the word would means and the amount of certainty that attaches to it, but in this case, Cav would beat AK 49/50 if it was important, so I don't think that gives you much of an out.

And I very clearly didn't say they have no tactical sense. I described what their tactical sense is, and how it has not evolved to the new reality of the rider they have.

 

[HiCadence]

How can you not like Sagan? He did most of the work in the breakaway, and powered away from everybody when he was completely isolated. He tried that in MSR as well, only to have Canc close the gap immediately.

Now he finally gets the reward he deserves and does a nice MTB victory salute on the line. Thanking his teammates as well, I'd be glad to ride for him. He brings in a lot of prize money for the team too.

Sagan did 5 second pulls before his team mate came through and did a proper turn for him

Well done to Sagan he was handed the win on a silver platter today because the break screwed up just about the same as wheel sucking somebody else to the line really.

Yes he won and people saying he did a Cancellara bit of a difference doing a 30 - 40k attack then a 2k one.

 

[Flamin]

Cancellara has an advantage in the next race by abandoning today. I didn't see him finishing second today. So if we compare, apples to apples, please...

What?

 

[SKSemtex]

Love him or hate him. We do love him in our small "Saganistan". This guy is basically our only pride.
On his facebook page one young Mom said than she thought her child the color the way: red as apple, yellow as sun, green as Sagan.

 

[Marco Pantani]

Never ever.

He just did it two days ago.

The tough parcours and the lenth of de ronde, favours Cancellara even more. I can't see Sagan coming anywhere near Cancellara.

 

[Flamin]

He just did it two days ago.

The tough parcours and the lenth of de ronde, favours Cancellara even more. I can't see Sagan coming anywhere near Cancellara.

Not on the Pater. That's Sagan's playground.

 

[Pentacycle]

Sagan did 5 second pulls before his team mate came through and did a proper turn for him

Well done to Sagan he was handed the win on a silver platter today because the break screwed up just about the same as wheel sucking somebody else to the line really.

Yes he won and people saying he did a Cancellara bit of a difference doing a 30 - 40k attack then a 2k one.

Doing a Cancellara? Nope, that's not the correct term. I haven't seen this kind of move lately in a classic though. From now on if the best sprinter in a group rides away solo at 5k from the finish it's a 'Sagan'.

Btw noone screwed up here. The strongest rider won today and you know it, you're just saying the break screwed up so you have a counterargument for that. This Sagan-hating is getting pretty pathetic if you ask me.

 

[Panda Claws]

Sagan did 5 second pulls before his team mate came through and did a proper turn for him

Well done to Sagan he was handed the win on a silver platter today because the break screwed up just about the same as wheel sucking somebody else to the line really.

Yes he won and people saying he did a Cancellara bit of a difference doing a 30 - 40k attack then a 2k one.

Sagan pulled a lot, and chased a lot of attacks. If you let Sagan do everything the break won't last either.

 

[Pippo_San]

Haters gonna hate

SAGAN = MONSTER

 

[Marco Pantani]

Not on the Pater. That's Sagan's playground.

I said:

Will be great, but still Sagan will be helpless and get destroyed by Cancellara on Kwaremont and Pater.

Be assured, Cancellara can do it on both.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

You're making some pretty big linguistic leaps in your interpretation of what the word would means and the amount of certainty that attaches to it, but in this case, Cav would beat AK 49/50 if it was important, so I don't think that gives you much of an out.

And I very clearly didn't say they have no tactical sense. I described what their tactical sense is, and how it has not evolved to the new reality of the rider they have.

A greater leap than saying that if Chavanel sat up the break wouldn't have had a chance to make it last week and would certainly have been swallowed by the péloton, and that then Cavendish would absolutely certainly have won the sprint from said péloton? Not sure. Definite leaps of faith required there. All kinds of issues can be created on a run-in like at Sanremo. Especially if an attack group gets caught on a descent and drops like a bowling ball through the remains of the bunch.

If Pisti's argument that it wasn't certain Cavendish would have won was weak, then your indirect argument that Chavanel cost Cavendish the win by not sitting up and letting Stannard go on the Poggio is at least equally weak.

 

[Lance Armstrong]

I said:

Will be great, but still Sagan will be helpless and get destroyed by Cancellara on Kwaremont and Pater.

Be assured, Cancellara can do it on both.

Sagan dropping Cancellara on Paterberg is more likely to happen

Of course he cannot match Canc on Kwaremont.

 

[woodenswan]

im far from a Sagan fan, but i loved the wheelie
second only to the Hulk (pronounce: [hulk])

he will have to wait till next season though, as far as monuments are concerned