George W. Bush Rides a 29er

[The Hitch]

Man, you've got way too much energy! Flailing away in all directions. Acting as if you are the only person who sees any of this issue clearly. Acting as if you are the keeper of all of the "facts"
You need to take a step back, take a deep breath, and try banging your head into a wall for at least a good ten minutes, or until you lose consciousness, whichever comes first. Then hopefully you will forget this thread ever existed, and you won't contribute any more of your @$#+ to it.
Although, I must say, all your ranting has been perversely entertaining.

This is cretinism, and a strange way to concede defeat, but a concession nonetheless. I make an argument, which you seem unable to answer, so you accuse me of arrogance or "being a keeper of all the facts". Nope. I simply put forward an argument. It's what we do in these so called forums. If you disagree with my points, by all means put forward an alternative. That's what debates are about rather than ad hominem.

I used to be against the war too, but like a lot of people, after patiently and calmly listening to and reading the arguments for military intervention, i changed my mind. I know people who have done the opposite as well, but can put forward the arguments for their side, in a civilized manner, and this happens in all debates. If like you i (or anyone else) had simply shouted down the speakers/ writers/ intellectuals as "neocons" "in the pay of the cia" or like you of "ranting" and talking "@$#+ ", i suppose i myself would never have changed my mind either, and if everyone followed your example on this, no one would ever learn, or advance, or change their minds on anything.

 

[nowhereman]

This is cretinism, and a strange way to concede defeat, but a concession nonetheless. I make an argument, which you seem unable to answer, so you accuse me of arrogance or "being a keeper of all the facts". Nope. I simply put forward an argument. It's what we do in these so called forums. If you disagree with my points, by all means put forward an alternative. That's what debates are about rather than ad hominem.

I used to be against the war too, but like a lot of people, after patiently and calmly listening to and reading the arguments for military intervention, i changed my mind. I know people who have done the opposite as well, but can put forward the arguments for their side, in a civilized manner, and this happens in all debates. If like you i (or anyone else) had simply shouted down the speakers/ writers/ intellectuals as "neocons" "in the pay of the cia" or like you of "ranting" and talking "@$#+ ", i suppose i myself would never have changed my mind either, and if everyone followed your example on this, no one would ever learn, or advance, or change their minds on anything.

As per all the other nonsense you've scribbled on the wall in this thread, you're wrong. Although, You've put forward a nice attempt to draw me into your argument/debate by insinuating that I have no constructive argument to counter all the thoughtful points you've made. But I'm sorry, I will not take the bait. I know a caveman when I see one, and any attempt to have a "civil" discussion with your kind of ideologue is futile. I've seen too many of you.
Look around you, how do you think that our attempts at policing the world are going these days? The price is too high on ALL fronts, but you don't see it. You just want to rant. That's right, RANT. And put things into other people's mouths. Most of the "accusations" you say are being leveled at you, come from you! not other posters, they are, in fact, simply trying to counter your points, and have been courteous enough, under the onslaught of your drivel.
You, sir, are the only reason this thread is still on life support. This is a long way away from Baby Bush riding his tricycle. And as far as I'm concerned, I've pulled the plug on this one.
Have fun with yourself.

 

[redtreviso]

You know what? There is certainly something worse than a Lance Fanboy...and that is a George W Bush Fanboy.

 

[The Hitch]

You know what? There is certainly something worse than a Lance Fanboy...and that is a George W Bush Fanboy.

there is a big difference between being a george bush fanboy and defending him against a certain kind of demagoguery which proclaims him to be a war criminal (despite the fact that all war crimes tribunals have laughed off the suggestion).

I guess the equivalent would be the difference between being a lance fanboy and defending him against charges that he deserves cancer because he took peds.

 

[The Hitch]

As per all the other nonsense you've scribbled on the wall in this thread, you're wrong. Although, You've put forward a nice attempt to draw me into your argument/debate by insinuating that I have no constructive argument to counter all the thoughtful points you've made. But I'm sorry, I will not take the bait. I know a caveman when I see one, and any attempt to have a "civil" discussion with your kind of ideologue is futile. I've seen too many of you.
Look around you, how do you think that our attempts at policing the world are going these days? The price is too high on ALL fronts, but you don't see it. You just want to rant. That's right, RANT. And put things into other people's mouths. Most of the "accusations" you say are being leveled at you, come from you! not other posters, they are, in fact, simply trying to counter your points, and have been courteous enough, under the onslaught of your drivel.
You, sir, are the only reason this thread is still on life support. This is a long way away from Baby Bush riding his tricycle. And as far as I'm concerned, I've pulled the plug on this one.
Have fun with yourself.

So you simply proclaim that your opponent must be a bigot and win by default? Congratulations, you have found a way to make sure that you can always convince yourself that you are right. Any argument, any debate, just tell the opponent that they are not worthy of you.

Funny given how just a post earlier you accused me of narcissism.

Can’t really argue with this stupidity. Any argument which claims to explain everything explains nothing and all that.

 

[redtreviso]

there is a big difference between being a george bush fanboy and defending him against a certain kind of demagoguery which proclaims him to be a war criminal (despite the fact that all war crimes tribunals have laughed off the suggestion).

I guess the equivalent would be the difference between being a lance fanboy and defending him against charges that he deserves cancer because he took peds.

It would make sense that a Hitchens fanboy would be a bush fanboy..Drunks admire each other when no one else should.

 

[The Hitch]

It would make sense that a Hitchens fanboy would be a bush fanboy..Drunks admire each other when no one else should.

Christopher Hitchens on George W Bush.

"He is unusally incurious, abnormally unintelligent, amazingly inarticulate, fantastically uncultured, extraordinarily uneducated, and apparently quite proud of all these things"

I would pretty much agree with this. Doesnt mean i cant defend him, or anyone else, from a certain type of demagoguery.

Though what does it matter to you. You will simply label me a Bush fanboy for the 3rd time in a row regardless.

 

[redtreviso]

Christopher Hitchens on George W Bush.

"He is unusally incurious, abnormally unintelligent, amazingly inarticulate, fantastically uncultured, extraordinarily uneducated, and apparently quite proud of all these things"

I would pretty much agree with this. Doesnt mean i cant defend him, or anyone else, from a certain type of demagoguery.

Though what does it matter to you. You will simply label me a Bush fanboy for the 3rd time in a row regardless.

"Just sit tight..Cheney's secret energy policy has started"

 

[pedaling squares]

While I don't agree with everything The Hitch has said I'll give him and Hugh credit for putting forth opinions that go beyond "You're wrong and you don't get to hear why I'm right." Those of you who attack his ideas, fair enough but maybe bring some of your own to the debate. The truth is that the guys from Niner bikes decided to deploy the military in Iraq, with the goal of destabilizing the middle east much as the 29er movement destabilized the mtn bike industry. Small business is the true evil. My work here is done.

 

[CycloErgoSum]

Hitch, I want to know what you think, not Hitchens.

You would do well to move away from that man's model that arguments are there to be won, as exercises in psycho-linguistic battle with opponents that need to be beaten into submission. Two opposing opinions can synthesize new knowledge for the interlocuters.

On the subject of the Iraq war and the removal of the Batthists, why did the USA feel the need to step in there (but not other places of conflict and oppression of the world)? Why does it have a complex about itself as some messianic standard-bearer of world democracy when its own system more closely resembles oligarchy?

If change needs to occur for the good of a people it has to come sui generis from the people. Revolution from the outside is just invasion.

Clinton and NATO tried to bomb out Milosevic and only succeded in destroying hospitals and killing citizens. Within a year the Serbian people themselves revolted and sent the guy to The Hague. The Serbs taught the modern world a lesson there...woulda thought it? Aren't Serbs portrayed as swarthy bad guys, the new Nazis of Europe?

 

[Hugh Januss]

While I don't agree with everything The Hitch has said I'll give him and Hugh credit for putting forth opinions that go beyond "You're wrong and you don't get to hear why I'm right." Those of you who attack his ideas, fair enough but maybe bring some of your own to the debate. The truth is that the guys from Niner bikes decided to deploy the military in Iraq, with the goal of destabilizing the middle east much as the 29er movement destabilized the mtn bike industry. Small business is the true evil. My work here is done.

Yeah I agree, or not.......or I might agree, if I knew what you were saying. Well I don't need to discuss this any more, because as Hitch pointed out (before he took it exponentially further in the same direction) this is all off topic anyway, so chances are good (and they would be even much better if ChrisE or C-stoned had joined in) that all of this will have magically disappeared by tomorrow.

 

[smoking roach]

I guess the Niner guys don't mind all the blood on Bush's hands.

I would have been more impressed if Niner told Bush to f*ck off.

Oh well, I've got a Niner, it's a really nice frame...

 

[Anonymous]

Cr@p

now I have to keep my 29er out of site. How long before the bad association wears off? Suppose if I started riding to Tea Party meetings, or Televangelist rallies.. or young republican Hootenannies.... or cross burnings. bummer

 

[Boeing]

I guess the Niner guys don't mind all the blood on Bush's hands.

I would have been more impressed if Niner told Bush to f*ck off.

Oh well, I've got a Niner, it's a really nice frame...

bravo!!!!

What next for GW a fixie?

 

[leenco12]

Did he fall off, or is a bike really easier to ride than a Segway?

He rides for 15 min every couple of months with photographers around..Drunk the rest of the time.

 

[Benotti69]

He rides for 15 min every couple of months with photographers around..Drunk the rest of the time.

and on the 3rd page the truth emerges..

 

[pedaling squares]

He rides for 15 min every couple of months with photographers around..Drunk the rest of the time.

Not a bad retirement gig really. Well, I'd prefer to ride more and to ditch the photographers, but still...

 

[Mike LS]

Did he fall off, or is a bike really easier to ride than a Segway?

lol'd

I heard old W. Bush is a single day racing stud....but that's just what I heard

 

[flicker]

Bush /29er. YOU AIN'T CATCHING ME NEAR EITHER.

 

[Serkhurkul]

there is a big difference between being a george bush fanboy and defending him against a certain kind of demagoguery...

Hmm... I was following your arguement until this part. What do Jewish people have to do with any of this?

 

[The Hitch]

Hmm... I was following your arguement until this part. What do Jewish people have to do with any of this?

I dont know. You tell me.

What on earth you are talking about.

 

[Serkhurkul]

Well you said somethings about demagogues...

 

[The Hitch]

Well you said somethings about demagogues...

And whats that got to do with Jewish people?

 

[Animal]

Take this bulls**t elsewhere. I come here to read about bikes, not conspiracy theories and falsifications about the supposed genocide against innocent people which has not a shred of evidence to back it up.

Gaw blimey! I just woke up from a weird dream!

I dreamed there had been a long, drawn out, bloody, completely POINTLESS war in Iraq in which thousands of civilians had been killed, and a country's infrastructure destroyed, which inflamed a whole load of people to become potential "trrsts".

Glad you cleared that up for me!

 

[The Hitch]

Well you said somethings about demagogues...

Shame trolls like this come, give a non sequitur and disapear.

Gaw blimey! I just woke up from a weird dream!

I dreamed there had been a long, drawn out, bloody, completely POINTLESS war in Iraq in which thousands of civilians had been killed, and a country's infrastructure destroyed, which inflamed a whole load of people to become potential "trrsts".

Glad you cleared that up for me!

Your opinion on these things and any dreams you may have can be expressed at thousands of other places.

This on the other hand is a bike thread.

Hope that clears it up for you.