Geraint Thomas, the next british hope

[The Carrot]

Re:

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/olympics/cycling/geraint-thomas-interview-the-olympic-gold-winning-cyclist-on-doping-learning-welsh-and-craving-a6722961.html

I still feel the effects of Lance Armstrong's cheating It was such a big lie, and he made all this money from cheating everyone. So people are still interested in the controversy, and it's why we still get doping questions directed at "Froomey" [this year's Tour de France winner, Chris Froome] and Team Sky all the time. It's a shame because if I do a good ride now, people wonder if I'm doping. You don't get that in any other sport. History will prove that I was doing it the right way.

Geraint Thomas is the one lying here. People aren't "interested in controversy" they compare you to Lance because you put out the same mutant power numbers as him. But hey, I bet Geraint is dumb enough to believe the propaganda they drill into his head at Sky HQ, he was a big Lance believer in 2012 after all

I'm pretty sure I saw a video of G fawning all over Lance calling him a legend etc, it's disappeared now of course.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Q: With so much about general classification racing being about power-to-weight ratio, how much weight do you have to lose to reach that optimal level?

GT: I was around 68 [kg] in the Tour last year, so I think maybe one more kilo. But there is also a fine balance. I don’t want to push it too much and then go to the Tour too light and have no power, especially with a time trial there as well this year. I definitely am going to try and keep a lid on it because it is so easy too … it’s infectious, especially when you go to training camps, to keep pushing. Its also having that confidence to stop and say,’ Okay this weight is good,’ and still train hard. It’s when you are going hard as well and go ‘do another hour’ or toughen up a little or do an extra little effort, then you can find yourself just going over the edge.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/geraint-thomas-i-want-to-go-full-gas-in-the-tour-de-france

 

[sniper]

Re:

Q: With so much about general classification racing being about power-to-weight ratio, how much weight do you have to lose to reach that optimal level?

GT: I was around 68 [kg] in the Tour last year, so I think maybe one more kilo. But there is also a fine balance. I don’t want to push it too much and then go to the Tour too light and have no power, especially with a time trial there as well this year. I definitely am going to try and keep a lid on it because it is so easy too … it’s infectious, especially when you go to training camps, to keep pushing. Its also having that confidence to stop and say,’ Okay this weight is good,’ and still train hard. It’s when you are going hard as well and go ‘do another hour’ or toughen up a little or do an extra little effort, then you can find yourself just going over the edge.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/geraint-thomas-i-want-to-go-full-gas-in-the-tour-de-france

lol at the idea that weight loss through food abstinence and gluten free diets is infectuous.
the massive dinosaur in the room is called aicar.
i don't doubt it's infectuous.

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

Q: With so much about general classification racing being about power-to-weight ratio, how much weight do you have to lose to reach that optimal level?

GT: I was around 68 [kg] in the Tour last year, so I think maybe one more kilo. But there is also a fine balance. I don’t want to push it too much and then go to the Tour too light and have no power, especially with a time trial there as well this year. I definitely am going to try and keep a lid on it because it is so easy too … it’s infectious, especially when you go to training camps, to keep pushing. Its also having that confidence to stop and say,’ Okay this weight is good,’ and still train hard. It’s when you are going hard as well and go ‘do another hour’ or toughen up a little or do an extra little effort, then you can find yourself just going over the edge.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/geraint-thomas-i-want-to-go-full-gas-in-the-tour-de-france

lol at the idea that weight loss through food abstinence and gluten free diets is infectuous.
the massive dinosaur in the room is called aicar.
i don't doubt it's infectuous.

aicar, GW, lipotropin, GHRP-7, clen, cortisone, testo, all of those things will get you there in one massive cocktail

the last three, tho, they have always existed, they are just the chaser... the first three/four are the game changers.

 

[sniper]

Re: Re:

Q: With so much about general classification racing being about power-to-weight ratio, how much weight do you have to lose to reach that optimal level?

GT: I was around 68 [kg] in the Tour last year, so I think maybe one more kilo. But there is also a fine balance. I don’t want to push it too much and then go to the Tour too light and have no power, especially with a time trial there as well this year. I definitely am going to try and keep a lid on it because it is so easy too … it’s infectious, especially when you go to training camps, to keep pushing. Its also having that confidence to stop and say,’ Okay this weight is good,’ and still train hard. It’s when you are going hard as well and go ‘do another hour’ or toughen up a little or do an extra little effort, then you can find yourself just going over the edge.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/geraint-thomas-i-want-to-go-full-gas-in-the-tour-de-france

lol at the idea that weight loss through food abstinence and gluten free diets is infectuous.
the massive dinosaur in the room is called aicar.
i don't doubt it's infectuous.

aicar, GW, lipotropin, GHRP-7, clen, cortisone, testo, all of those things will get you there in one massive cocktail

the last three, tho, they have always existed, they are just the chaser... the first three/four are the game changers.

yeah, agreed.
And that cocktail - and the immediate results it brings - I don't doubt that's infectuous.
But gluten free and fat-poor diets infectuous? Not that I can imagine.
So tell us, G, what part of losing weight is so infectuous?

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

Q: With so much about general classification racing being about power-to-weight ratio, how much weight do you have to lose to reach that optimal level?

GT: I was around 68 [kg] in the Tour last year, so I think maybe one more kilo. But there is also a fine balance. I don’t want to push it too much and then go to the Tour too light and have no power, especially with a time trial there as well this year. I definitely am going to try and keep a lid on it because it is so easy too … it’s infectious, especially when you go to training camps, to keep pushing. Its also having that confidence to stop and say,’ Okay this weight is good,’ and still train hard. It’s when you are going hard as well and go ‘do another hour’ or toughen up a little or do an extra little effort, then you can find yourself just going over the edge.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/geraint-thomas-i-want-to-go-full-gas-in-the-tour-de-france

lol at the idea that weight loss through food abstinence and gluten free diets is infectuous.
the massive dinosaur in the room is called aicar.
i don't doubt it's infectuous.

aicar, GW, lipotropin, GHRP-7, clen, cortisone, testo, all of those things will get you there in one massive cocktail

the last three, tho, they have always existed, they are just the chaser... the first three/four are the game changers.

yeah, agreed.
And that cocktail - and the immediate results it brings - I don't doubt that's infectuous.
But gluten free and fat-poor diets infectuous? Not that I can imagine.
So tell us, G, what part of losing weight is so infectuous?

it is______I M M E D I A T E
it is like you have done the Ironman tri, and wake up the next day with no subcutaneous tissue. And since you did not actually do an Ironman tri in Kona with Lance, you can do another shot and the next day you wake up even leaner from not even doing an extra Ironman tri in Kona with Lance. And you can keep on doing this.

Froome and Wiggo were 10%-12% under their previous healthy low-weight TdF weights, then the really dont undergo the weightloss during the Tour where many riders might be 4-5lbs lighter at the end. Well Froome and Wigans might lose another one pound at most.

I bet Froome did not realise when he and Cound rolled the dice after the Tour of Poland in 2010, knowing it woulda been Garmin and bust as his career trajectory was going, but JV may have done him a favour by low-balling him...

 

[thehog]

Can he really win the Tour?

 

[fmk_RoI]

Can he really win the Tour? ]

Standard rule of journalism: if the headline ends in a question mark, the answer is always no. (Not that the Comic should ever be accused of journalism...)

 

[King Boonen]

The best power meter is no power meter.

 

[vedrafjord]

Apart from any doping (and let's not forget he was a 6 on the leaked 2010 Index of Suspicion - higher than Hincapie, LL Sanchex, both Schlecks, Basso, Cunego, Iglinskiy, Kreuziger, Armstrong, Leipheimer, Contador, Vino, and Wiggins) I'm sad that someone who had a great chance to win a bunch of classics turn his back on that for a lesser chance of one day winning a GT.

 

[thehog]

Re:

Apart from any doping (and let's not forget he was a 6 on the leaked 2010 Index of Suspicion - higher than Hincapie, LL Sanchex, both Schlecks, Basso, Cunego, Iglinskiy, Kreuziger, Armstrong, Leipheimer, Contador, Vino, and Wiggins) I'm sad that someone who had a great chance to win a bunch of classics turn his back on that for a lesser chance of one day winning a GT.

I believe at Sky, they select who should win, dial in the numbers and that's about it. They win. They might as well win.

 

[roundabout]

Re:

Apart from any doping (and let's not forget he was a 6 on the leaked 2010 Index of Suspicion - higher than Hincapie, LL Sanchex, both Schlecks, Basso, Cunego, Iglinskiy, Kreuziger, Armstrong, Leipheimer, Contador, Vino, and Wiggins) I'm sad that someone who had a great chance to win a bunch of classics turn his back on that for a lesser chance of one day winning a GT.

He won E3 once in 5 seasons of racing spring classics, so while it's silly to try for a GT GC, I wouldn't really say that he has the potential to become a prolific winner in the classics.

 

[wansteadimp]

Re: Re:

Apart from any doping (and let's not forget he was a 6 on the leaked 2010 Index of Suspicion - higher than Hincapie, LL Sanchex, both Schlecks, Basso, Cunego, Iglinskiy, Kreuziger, Armstrong, Leipheimer, Contador, Vino, and Wiggins) I'm sad that someone who had a great chance to win a bunch of classics turn his back on that for a lesser chance of one day winning a GT.

He won E3 once in 5 seasons of racing spring classics, so while it's silly to try for a GT GC, I wouldn't really say that he has the potential to become a prolific winner in the classics.

Yes, but he has mastered staying on his bike throughout a Classic now, well except getting blown into a ditch, clipping a curb etc...

 

[The Hitch]

Someone pointed out that almost all the people who finished on a 6 with G Thomas have since had trouble.

Lets revisit the list and everyone who finished with or better than Thomas

6 Linus Gerdemann, Christian Knees, Egoi Martínez, Alessandro Petacchi, Francesco Reda, Mauro Santambrogio, Geraint Thomas

7 Jeremy Hunt, Andreas Klöden, Tony Martin, Christophe Moreau, Michael Rogers, Wesley Sulzberger

8 David De la Fuente, Ivan Gutiérrez, Danilo Hondo, Matthew Lloyd, Iban Mayoz, Dmitriy Muravyev, Rinaldo Nocentini, Daniel Oss, Kevin Seeldraeyers, Kanstantsin Siutsou, Jurgen Van Den Broeck

9 Denis Menchov

10 Carlos Barredo,Yaroslav Popovych

Barredo is out. Popo down and so is Menchov. So that's 10 and 9 sorted.

In 8 Hondo has had a suspension.
Murayev rode for Astana, both during the Vino era and then the 2014 alleged team doping era. So according to Sky logic he is doping (see the Ross tucker interview with Swart where Swart and Birnie immediately start pontificating about how big bad Astana is doping and should be banned).
Gutiérrez was in O puerto.
I don't know what happened to Iban Mayoz.

7 has Moreau, Rodgers and Kloeden.

Someone else has already been over 6.


Seems to me like the dimspace, Team Sky Fans defense of - "this list is just random, has no correlation with who was doping", when they saw their beloved clean heroes Wiggins and Thomas score so highly, is falling apart.

 

[Savant12]

Re:

Someone pointed out that almost all the people who finished on a 6 with G Thomas have since had trouble.

Lets revisit the list and everyone who finished with or better than Thomas

6 Linus Gerdemann, Christian Knees, Egoi Martínez, Alessandro Petacchi, Francesco Reda, Mauro Santambrogio, Geraint Thomas

7 Jeremy Hunt, Andreas Klöden, Tony Martin, Christophe Moreau, Michael Rogers, Wesley Sulzberger

8 David De la Fuente, Ivan Gutiérrez, Danilo Hondo, Matthew Lloyd, Iban Mayoz, Dmitriy Muravyev, Rinaldo Nocentini, Daniel Oss, Kevin Seeldraeyers, Kanstantsin Siutsou, Jurgen Van Den Broeck

9 Denis Menchov

10 Carlos Barredo,Yaroslav Popovych

Barredo is out. Popo down and so is Menchov. So that's 10 and 9 sorted.

In 8 Hondo has had a suspension.
Murayev rode for Astana, both during the Vino era and then the 2014 alleged team doping era. So according to Sky logic he is doping (see the Ross tucker interview with Swart where Swart and Birnie immediately start pontificating about how big bad Astana is doping and should be banned).
Gutiérrez was in O puerto.
I don't know what happened to Iban Mayoz.

7 has Moreau, Rodgers and Kloeden.

Someone else has already been over 6.


Seems to me like the dimspace, Team Sky Fans defense of - "this list is just random, has no correlation with who was doping", when they saw their beloved clean heroes Wiggins and Thomas score so highly, is falling apart.

Well, when the list has the great Armstrong down as a 4 and Contador as a 5...

 

[Benotti69]

If G THomas ever gets an ego and leaves the 'protection' of Sky, I expect him to positively pop if he manages to maintain his current levels of 'ability' otherwise he better not threaten those black and blue jerseys competitively...

 

[LaFlorecita]

That should tell you how suspicious those who are above them were.

 

[The Hitch]

Re: Re:

Someone pointed out that almost all the people who finished on a 6 with G Thomas have since had trouble.

Lets revisit the list and everyone who finished with or better than Thomas

6 Linus Gerdemann, Christian Knees, Egoi Martínez, Alessandro Petacchi, Francesco Reda, Mauro Santambrogio, Geraint Thomas

7 Jeremy Hunt, Andreas Klöden, Tony Martin, Christophe Moreau, Michael Rogers, Wesley Sulzberger

8 David De la Fuente, Ivan Gutiérrez, Danilo Hondo, Matthew Lloyd, Iban Mayoz, Dmitriy Muravyev, Rinaldo Nocentini, Daniel Oss, Kevin Seeldraeyers, Kanstantsin Siutsou, Jurgen Van Den Broeck

9 Denis Menchov

10 Carlos Barredo,Yaroslav Popovych

Barredo is out. Popo down and so is Menchov. So that's 10 and 9 sorted.

In 8 Hondo has had a suspension.
Murayev rode for Astana, both during the Vino era and then the 2014 alleged team doping era. So according to Sky logic he is doping (see the Ross tucker interview with Swart where Swart and Birnie immediately start pontificating about how big bad Astana is doping and should be banned).
Gutiérrez was in O puerto.
I don't know what happened to Iban Mayoz.

7 has Moreau, Rodgers and Kloeden.

Someone else has already been over 6.


Seems to me like the dimspace, Team Sky Fans defense of - "this list is just random, has no correlation with who was doping", when they saw their beloved clean heroes Wiggins and Thomas score so highly, is falling apart.

Well, when the list has the great Armstrong down as a 4 and Contador as a 5...

4 and 5 meant that the riders were suspected of blood doping.

"From five upwards, the comments associated to the rider files started to become much more precise, "even affirmative" according to L'Equipe.

 

[Ramon Koran]

I'm sorry but that list has horner on 0, hincapie on 1 and schleck on 2. It is definitely not credible at all. What's more just looking at the list it seems to be favor the French riders are clean and eastern riders are all on drugs... I don't believe Thomas is clean but that list is a joke and shouldn't be used as an argument that he is doping.

 

[The Hitch]

Re:

I'm sorry but that list has horner on 0, hincapie on 1 and schleck on 2.

Erm Frank Schleck crashed out of the Tour a couple of days into the race and Hincapie did absolutely nothing for the whole 3 weeks.

You were saying?

 

[roundabout]

Revisiting the list I have counted at least 26 people with a score below Thomas who have either

-tested positive after July 2010

-have posted suspect test results before or after 2010

-have been prevented by their teams from starting races based on test results or investigations

-have admitted to doping or served a ban fro doping prior to July 2010

 

[Ramon Koran]

Re: Re:

I'm sorry but that list has horner on 0, hincapie on 1 and schleck on 2.

Erm Frank Schleck crashed out of the Tour a couple of days into the race and Hincapie did absolutely nothing for the whole 3 weeks.

You were saying?

I can keep going if you want voeckler 0, cancelarra 0, chavanel 1, Cavendish, schleck 2... The list was revealed by lequipe and it's blatantly meant to show the readers what they want to see, ae tha nice schlecks, the french and all are clean while the nasty Russians and Eastern Europeans are doped. What's more a list that has Armstrong ( who had strange blood values at the time ) and contador who tested positive mid table is just completely wrong. So stop using this joke list the only people who take it seriously now are Thomas haters...

 

[The Carrot]

http://road.cc/content/news/182402-team-sky-has-new-training-method-theyre-keeping-it-under-wraps

Here we go (again). It's gonna be a long summer for clinicians.

 

[The Hitch]

Re:

Revisiting the list I have counted at least 26 people with a score below Thomas who have either

-tested positive after July 2010

-have posted suspect test results before or after 2010

-have been prevented by their teams from starting races based on test results or investigations

-have admitted to doping or served a ban fro doping prior to July 2010

25 out of 130? want to bet the percentage is higher on the other side

 

[The Hitch]

Re: Re:

I'm sorry but that list has horner on 0, hincapie on 1 and schleck on 2.

Erm Frank Schleck crashed out of the Tour a couple of days into the race and Hincapie did absolutely nothing for the whole 3 weeks.

You were saying?

I can keep going if you want voeckler 0, cancelarra 0, chavanel 1, Cavendish, schleck 2... The list was revealed by lequipe and it's blatantly meant to show the readers what they want to see, ae tha nice schlecks, the french and all are clean while the nasty Russians and Eastern Europeans are doped. What's more a list that has Armstrong ( who had strange blood values at the time ) and contador who tested positive mid table is just completely wrong. So stop using this joke list the only people who take it seriously now are Thomas haters...

What you are doing is kind of like saying that because Armstrong never tested positive, it is irrelevant whenever someone does test positive.

Just because the uci suspicion list did not consider voeckler (who won one stage) suspicious, does, not suddenly mean that the people ranked higher did not merit suspicion.

It's perfectly possible and even likely that the doping programmes some of the riders you mention had at the time (assuming they were on doping at the time since none of your list performed particularly well at that tour) simply better concealed their doping.