Geraint Thomas, the next british hope

[MartinGT]

Thomas has had a 100% free pass.

My social media timeline is full of people swooning over 'G'

 

[hfer07]

G's transformation is as abnormal and absurd as the Magic Kenyan, if you think of the old G "classics type of rider" that suddenly realized he's best suited for Grand Tour contention.........

I agree with the premise of G being allowed to win Le Tour to ease up the controversy behind Froome, but yet SKY still have to answer to the public how "G" beat Froome & trashed riders the likes of Quintana, Doumolin, Bardet, etc.......

 

[Cookster15]

The transformation is worse than Froome. Froome is partially explained by natural progression - age. Froome was only 26 in 2011. But Thomas is 32.

I read in Australian news yesterday that questions are being asked about the legitimacy of Thomas. Never read this during Wiggos win.

 

[The Hitch]

Re:

The transformation is worse than Froome. Froome is partially explained by natural progression - age. Froome was only 26 in 2011. But Thomas is 32.

I read in Australian news yesterday that questions are being asked about the legitimacy of Thomas. Never read this during Wiggos win.

Possibly because they were still deep in the - cadel is clean, delusion

 

[thehog]

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The transformation is worse than Froome. Froome is partially explained by natural progression - age. Froome was only 26 in 2011. But Thomas is 32.

I read in Australian news yesterday that questions are being asked about the legitimacy of Thomas. Never read this during Wiggos win.

Both transformations have their uniqueness but still both ridiculous in their own special way.

 

[Arnout]

Re: Re:

The transformation is worse than Froome. Froome is partially explained by natural progression - age. Froome was only 26 in 2011. But Thomas is 32.

I read in Australian news yesterday that questions are being asked about the legitimacy of Thomas. Never read this during Wiggos win.

Possibly because they were still deep in the - cadel is clean, delusion

Evans might nog have been clean but has always been thereabouts - his wins at a later age were a psychological rather than a physical breakthrough. Thomas has shown glimpses in stages and short races but never on this level and for this duration.

 

[OldCranky]

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I agree with the premise of G being allowed to win Le Tour to ease up the controversy behind Froome, but yet SKY still have to answer to the public how "G" beat Froome & trashed riders the likes of Quintana, Doumolin, Bardet, etc.......

He's obviously just the most talented all-rounder since Merckx. When you're an Olympic gold-winning 4km pursuit rider who wants to be a classics specialist but can win on Alpe d'Huez and even drop your six-time GT winning alien teammate at the top of the Col du Portet, becoming a GC contender at the age of 32 is all in a day's work. It was always obvious that G had the potential to win GTs.

Or something.

I won't bat an eyelid if he beats Dumoulin in the time trial too, just for the lulz.

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

Re: Re:

I agree with the premise of G being allowed to win Le Tour to ease up the controversy behind Froome, but yet SKY still have to answer to the public how "G" beat Froome & trashed riders the likes of Quintana, Doumolin, Bardet, etc.......

He's obviously just the most talented all-rounder since Merckx. When you're an Olympic gold-winning 4km pursuit rider who wants to be a classics specialist but can win on Alpe d'Huez and even drop your six-time GT winning alien teammate at the top of the Col du Portet, becoming a GC contender at the age of 32 is all in a day's work. It was always obvious that G had the potential to win GTs.

Or something.

I won't bat an eyelid if he beats Dumoulin in the time trial too, just for the lulz.

I had this same thought today.

 

[hfer07]

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I won't bat an eyelid if he beats Dumoulin in the time trial too, just for the lulz

SKY is the limit

 

[Robert5091]

G lost only 49 seconds to Tommy D at the Giro's 40 km TT after crashing.

 

[wirral]

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Jeebus Chryst there are some idiots on this thread. And sometimes they get persnickety at MI.

It's a strange, troll like world

I understand your frustration.

He is not an idiot, in the low intelligence sense, though. He is an advocate. He is one of a number. They are paid or have a vested interest (there is little difference) to go on social media and rebut accusations of doping or other cheating against Sky and to try to present one side of an argument. They may also be using these threads as information banks and training programmes to try to examine how discussions proceed and to test arguments.

You cannot reason with an advocate. The good ones simply push a specific agenda constantly, minimising or dismissing any evidence against and accentuating any evidence for. If all else fails, they just turn the subject to something else.

 

[Craigee]

anyone else think Froome looks a bit fat for him and that it is Geraint Thomas who is so skinny he looks sickly?

We have been duped AGAIN by Brailsford. He's just too good for the rest of us.

 

[Craigee]

Get Charlie Tanfield as skinny as Wiggo and Thomas and he can win the Tour. He's faster than them in the individual pursuit already and he's untapped.

Pursuiting is the yard stick now isn't it?

 

[Bolder]

Re: Re:

Jeebus Chryst there are some idiots on this thread. And sometimes they get persnickety at MI.

It's a strange, troll like world

I understand your frustration.

He is not an idiot, in the low intelligence sense, though. He is an advocate. He is one of a number. They are paid or have a vested interest (there is little difference) to go on social media and rebut accusations of doping or other cheating against Sky and to try to present one side of an argument. They may also be using these threads as information banks and training programmes to try to examine how discussions proceed and to test arguments.

You cannot reason with an advocate. The good ones simply push a specific agenda constantly, minimising or dismissing any evidence against and accentuating any evidence for. If all else fails, they just turn the subject to something else.

Maybe, although isn't the above bolded phrase...normal? If you sift out the hysteria in this forum it's a pretty thin gruel. It mostly boils down to "well of course he's doping because doping." It's not cool to dismiss the other side as trolls or Russian bots or as having some kind of secret "agenda." What would that agenda be, then? To convince others that Rider X is clean/not as dirty as others? What's wrong with that? Because nearly all the evidence offered here is circumstantial, it's fair game to debate it.

To your point about "advocacy," couldn't we say the same against those who insist -- despite zero evidence that could be presented in a court of law or WADA tribunal -- that Rider X is a doper?

This is nothing more, nothing less than an Internet message board. The UCI, WADA, British Cycling and above all Dave Brailsford don't give a toss what goes on in here. It's purely banter and speculation. If you shut down the other side it's not even entertaining anymore.

 

[MartinGT]

Re:

Get Charlie Tanfield as skinny as Wiggo and Thomas and he can win the Tour. He's faster than them in the individual pursuit already and he's untapped.

Pursuiting is the yard stick now isn't it?

Or go full Hog, get his kid doing it too and show Mitchelson Scott on how its done.

 

[42x16ss]

Re: Re:

Get Charlie Tanfield as skinny as Wiggo and Thomas and he can win the Tour. He's faster than them in the individual pursuit already and he's untapped.

Pursuiting is the yard stick now isn't it?

Or go full Hog, get his kid doing it too and show Mitchelson Scott on how its done.

Jordan Kerby just got cut from the AIS program, I’m sure he’d take a ride as well.

 

[brownbobby]

Re: Re:

Jeebus Chryst there are some idiots on this thread. And sometimes they get persnickety at MI.

It's a strange, troll like world

I understand your frustration.

He is not an idiot, in the low intelligence sense, though. He is an advocate. He is one of a number. They are paid or have a vested interest (there is little difference) to go on social media and rebut accusations of doping or other cheating against Sky and to try to present one side of an argument. They may also be using these threads as information banks and training programmes to try to examine how discussions proceed and to test arguments.

You cannot reason with an advocate. The good ones simply push a specific agenda constantly, minimising or dismissing any evidence against and accentuating any evidence for. If all else fails, they just turn the subject to something else.

Maybe, although isn't the above bolded phrase...normal? If you sift out the hysteria in this forum it's a pretty thin gruel. It mostly boils down to "well of course he's doping because doping." It's not cool to dismiss the other side as trolls or Russian bots or as having some kind of secret "agenda." What would that agenda be, then? To convince others that Rider X is clean/not as dirty as others? What's wrong with that? Because nearly all the evidence offered here is circumstantial, it's fair game to debate it.

To your point about "advocacy," couldn't we say the same against those who insist -- despite zero evidence that could be presented in a court of law or WADA tribunal -- that Rider X is a doper?

This is nothing more, nothing less than an Internet message board. The UCI, WADA, British Cycling and above all Dave Brailsford don't give a toss what goes on in here. It's purely banter and speculation. If you shut down the other side it's not even entertaining anymore.

Well said that man....A person pushing the notion that anyone who has and tries to present a different opinion to their own must be either getting paid to do so or has some other materially incentivised agenda, should really be a little more worried about their own mentality than that of others....

 

[MartinGT]

Tanfields on ITV now LOLZ

 

[brownbobby]

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Tanfields on ITV now LOLZ

Ha ha...if Sky ever managed to turn Harry into a sub 65kg GC contender then even i would agree that there is something fishy going on...beyond all reasonable doubt :lol:

(No offence if you're reading Harry, but i know even you would find this funny )

 

[Alpe73]

Re: Re:

Jeebus Chryst there are some idiots on this thread. And sometimes they get persnickety at MI.

It's a strange, troll like world

I understand your frustration.

He is not an idiot, in the low intelligence sense, though. He is an advocate. He is one of a number. They are paid or have a vested interest (there is little difference) to go on social media and rebut accusations of doping or other cheating against Sky and to try to present one side of an argument. They may also be using these threads as information banks and training programmes to try to examine how discussions proceed and to test arguments.

You cannot reason with an advocate. The good ones simply push a specific agenda constantly, minimising or dismissing any evidence against and accentuating any evidence for. If all else fails, they just turn the subject to something else.

Maybe, although isn't the above bolded phrase...normal? If you sift out the hysteria in this forum it's a pretty thin gruel. It mostly boils down to "well of course he's doping because doping." It's not cool to dismiss the other side as trolls or Russian bots or as having some kind of secret "agenda." What would that agenda be, then? To convince others that Rider X is clean/not as dirty as others? What's wrong with that? Because nearly all the evidence offered here is circumstantial, it's fair game to debate it.

To your point about "advocacy," couldn't we say the same against those who insist -- despite zero evidence that could be presented in a court of law or WADA tribunal -- that Rider X is a doper?

This is nothing more, nothing less than an Internet message board. The UCI, WADA, British Cycling and above all Dave Brailsford don't give a toss what goes on in here. It's purely banter and speculation. If you shut down the other side it's not even entertaining anymore.

you speak the truth, Bolder

 

[Craigee]

Re: Re:

Jeebus Chryst there are some idiots on this thread. And sometimes they get persnickety at MI.

It's a strange, troll like world

I understand your frustration.

He is not an idiot, in the low intelligence sense, though. He is an advocate. He is one of a number. They are paid or have a vested interest (there is little difference) to go on social media and rebut accusations of doping or other cheating against Sky and to try to present one side of an argument. They may also be using these threads as information banks and training programmes to try to examine how discussions proceed and to test arguments.

You cannot reason with an advocate. The good ones simply push a specific agenda constantly, minimising or dismissing any evidence against and accentuating any evidence for. If all else fails, they just turn the subject to something else.

Maybe, although isn't the above bolded phrase...normal? If you sift out the hysteria in this forum it's a pretty thin gruel. It mostly boils down to "well of course he's doping because doping." It's not cool to dismiss the other side as trolls or Russian bots or as having some kind of secret "agenda." What would that agenda be, then? To convince others that Rider X is clean/not as dirty as others? What's wrong with that? Because nearly all the evidence offered here is circumstantial, it's fair game to debate it.

To your point about "advocacy," couldn't we say the same against those who insist -- despite zero evidence that could be presented in a court of law or WADA tribunal -- that Rider X is a doper?

This is nothing more, nothing less than an Internet message board. The UCI, WADA, British Cycling and above all Dave Brailsford don't give a toss what goes on in here. It's purely banter and speculation. If you shut down the other side it's not even entertaining anymore.

you speak the truth, Bolder

The anti Sky brigade here aren't exactly making it all up you know. Thousands abusing them every day of the tour. All the hard questions on a daily basis from the media, not just the 3 weeks of the tour either. It's every day. Been investigated by the British govt. Most staff at BC sacked for bullying under a culture created by Brailsford.

Yes you're right, this forum would be the last of Brailsford's Concerns wouldn't it.

 

[The Hitch]

Re: Re:

This is nothing more, nothing less than an Internet message board. The UCI, WADA, British Cycling and above all Dave Brailsford don't give a toss what goes on in here. It's purely banter and speculation. If you shut down the other side it's not even entertaining anymore.

I read this dozens of times from the old Lance fans and from martinvickers and his future sockpuppets here

The counter argument is the same as always.

1 No one here has ever claimed that these people care what we post. In fact we don't like the Brunyeels and Brailsfords of this world so impressing them is not the motivation for posting.

2 These people also don't care what YOU post.

Which probably grates you more. Because for us we don't want to impress Brailsford or Brunyeel.

But you hold them in high regard. You would probably be shakinf with anxiety if you ever found yourself in a room with Dave Brailsford in a room. That almost certainly none of your contributions will ever be aknowledged by him must hurt you more than it does us. Probably why you guys try to use this argument so often.

Its always hillarious to see the FANS of athletes mock the sceptics as fat, loser keyboard warriors etc. But what are you? You are just a fan too. Sorry to break it to you but being a diehard fan of Chris froome does not make you Chris Froome.

If we are losers, you are a loser just like us.

Only worse because we live our own lives. The only happines you guys ever have is when some guy you never meet wins an event you see on tv.

 

[Craigee]

Re: Re:

Get Charlie Tanfield as skinny as Wiggo and Thomas and he can win the Tour. He's faster than them in the individual pursuit already and he's untapped.

Pursuiting is the yard stick now isn't it?

Or go full Hog, get his kid doing it too and show Mitchelson Scott on how its done.

Jordan Kerby just got cut from the AIS program, I’m sure he’d take a ride as well.

I hear he could be sticking with track but changing country.

 

[brownbobby]

Re: Re:

This is nothing more, nothing less than an Internet message board. The UCI, WADA, British Cycling and above all Dave Brailsford don't give a toss what goes on in here. It's purely banter and speculation. If you shut down the other side it's not even entertaining anymore.

I read this dozens of times from the old Lance fans and from martinvickers and his future sockpuppets here

The counter argument is the same as always.

1 No one here has ever claimed that these people care what we post. In fact we don't like the Brunyeels and Brailsfords of this world so impressing them is not the motivation for posting.

2 These people also don't care what YOU post.

Which probably grates you more. Because for us we don't want to impress Brailsford or Brunyeel.

But you hold them in high regard. You would probably be shakinf with anxiety if you ever found yourself in a room with Dave Brailsford in a room. That almost certainly none of your contributions will ever be aknowledged by him must hurt you more than it does us. Probably why you guys try to use this argument so often.

Its always hillarious to see the FANS of athletes mock the sceptics as fat, loser keyboard warriors etc. But what are you? You are just a fan too. Sorry to break it to you but being a diehard fan of Chris froome does not make you Chris Froome.

If we are losers, you are a loser just like us.

Only worse because we live our own lives. The only happines you guys ever have is when some guy you never meet wins an event you see on tv.

Incredible....WTF makes you think you're in any way informed as to what 'some guy you never meet' does or does not have in their life, based on internet forum postings?

Low, even by previous standards

 

[Alpe73]

Re: Re:

Jeebus Chryst there are some idiots on this thread. And sometimes they get persnickety at MI.

It's a strange, troll like world

I understand your frustration.

He is not an idiot, in the low intelligence sense, though. He is an advocate. He is one of a number. They are paid or have a vested interest (there is little difference) to go on social media and rebut accusations of doping or other cheating against Sky and to try to present one side of an argument. They may also be using these threads as information banks and training programmes to try to examine how discussions proceed and to test arguments.

You cannot reason with an advocate. The good ones simply push a specific agenda constantly, minimising or dismissing any evidence against and accentuating any evidence for. If all else fails, they just turn the subject to something else.

Maybe, although isn't the above bolded phrase...normal? If you sift out the hysteria in this forum it's a pretty thin gruel. It mostly boils down to "well of course he's doping because doping." It's not cool to dismiss the other side as trolls or Russian bots or as having some kind of secret "agenda." What would that agenda be, then? To convince others that Rider X is clean/not as dirty as others? What's wrong with that? Because nearly all the evidence offered here is circumstantial, it's fair game to debate it.

To your point about "advocacy," couldn't we say the same against those who insist -- despite zero evidence that could be presented in a court of law or WADA tribunal -- that Rider X is a doper?

This is nothing more, nothing less than an Internet message board. The UCI, WADA, British Cycling and above all Dave Brailsford don't give a toss what goes on in here. It's purely banter and speculation. If you shut down the other side it's not even entertaining anymore.

you speak the truth, Bolder

The anti Sky brigade here aren't exactly making it all up you know. Thousands abusing them every day of the tour. All the hard questions on a daily basis from the media, not just the 3 weeks of the tour either. It's every day. Been investigated by the British govt. Most staff at BC sacked for bullying under a culture created by Brailsford.

Yes you're right, this forum would be the last of Brailsford's Concerns wouldn't it.

Just the lion’s share, as they say. But ... in fairness to you ... I don’t know what you got for eyeglasses, mate.