Giro 2012: Route Rumours / Our wishes

[Eshnar]

First post updated.
I moved stages 11/14 to 10/13. I really think there will be something between Cervinia and Busto.
Ah, and I cancelled the tag "MTF" of Lago Laceno, since technically it's not an MTF. The climb ends a few kms before the finish.

 

[jens_attacks]

martinelli said brajkovic will be the leader for il giro(and kreuziger for le tour)
i wonder in which big race will go vino,i want to see him in ronde or paris-roubaix,he said he will focus only for the classics so why not?

 

[El Pistolero]

martinelli said brajkovic will be the leader for il giro(and kreuziger for le tour)
i wonder in which big race will go vino,i want to see him in ronde or paris-roubaix,he said he will focus only for the classics so why not?

Didn't he do the Ronde once?

More hilly type of cyclists should definitely start focusing on the Ronde van Vlaanderen.

 

[Eshnar]

Rumours say there won't be long ITTs, sadly.
On the other hand, it seems Civitavecchia will be a stage start or finish (or both)
The TTT should be around 30 kms long.

 

[The Hitch]

The TTT should be around 30 kms long.

Well that sucks.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Well that sucks.

I guess Sammy better do the tour and/or vuelta next year. With a 30km tt imagine how much time the carrots will lose?

I have always said that TTT's have no place in GT's but because for my own selfish purposes I don't necessarily mind if they are in GT's.

 

[jens_attacks]

The TTT should be around 30 kms long.

these kind of ttt's should be eradicated from grand tours,these ttt from nowadays are a joke,13 km,16 km,30 km.
or you make a 70 km ttt or nothing.i'm for a long ttt once in 4-5 years.
but these are just useless.

 

[Descender]

these kind of ttt's should be eradicated from grand tours,these ttt from nowadays are a joke,13 km,16 km,30 km.
or you make a 70 km ttt or nothing.i'm for a long ttt once in 4-5 years.
but these are just useless.

This.

Funny how many fans who are new to cycling consider a 30km TTT to be long.

 

[sublimit]

I guess Sammy better do the tour and/or vuelta next year. With a 30km tt imagine how much time the carrots will lose?

I have always said that TTT's have no place in GT's but because for my own selfish purposes I don't necessarily mind if they are in GT's.

Carrot eradication. I prefer a couple of shortish ITT's of say 40 and maybe 25 k mountain uphill or something.
TTT's suck unless they are short but then its a waste of time watching so you cant win with them.

 

[Eshnar]

This.

Funny how many fans who are new to cycling consider a 30km TTT to be long.

It's also funny how many fans who are new to cycling consider a 220 km mountain stage to be insane.
Truth is that the lenght of any kind of stage is ridiculus compared to old times.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

The TTT has no place in cycling except on the track.

 

[The Hitch]

these kind of ttt's should be eradicated from grand tours,these ttt from nowadays are a joke,13 km,16 km,30 km.
or you make a 70 km ttt or nothing.i'm for a long ttt once in 4-5 years.
but these are just useless.

Why do you want 70k ttts? If there were 70 k tts Nibali wouldnt have to leave Eros Cappechis wheel in the mountains as Killer, Ricco, Vino, Kash, Sella, and all your other favourite riders would be 5 minutes down before we saw the first hill of the race.

Unless you are talking about the time limitation ones in which case, whats the point.

This.

Funny how many fans who are new to cycling consider a 30km TTT to be long.

They are long.

Scarponi lost almost 3 minutes in the 2010 one. It eliminated him from the pink jersey race before the race even began.

The fact that there were longer ones in the past doesnt automatically make 30km short.

Its like saying that Mont Blanc isnt a tall mountain because Mount Everest is taller

 

[The Hitch]

It's also funny how many fans who are new to cycling consider a 220 km mountain stage to be insane.

You calling David Millar new to cycling?

 

[Descender]

Why do you want 70k ttts? If there were 70 k tts Nibali wouldnt have to leave Eros Cappechis wheel in the mountains as Killer, Ricco, Vino, Kash, Sella, and all your other favourite riders would be 5 minutes down before we saw the first hill of the race.

Unless you are talking about the time limitation ones in which case, whats the point.



They are long.

Scarponi lost almost 3 minutes in the 2010 one. It eliminated him from the pink jersey race before the race even began.

The fact that there were longer ones in the past doesnt automatically make 30km short.

Its like saying that Mont Blanc isnt a tall mountain because Mount Everest is taller

Twist it any way it suits you. A 30kms TTT is not a long TTT. It is between one third and one fourth shorter than the classic total number of ITT kms in a GT.

Now do I want the classic 60-70km TTTs to come back? Hell no. I despise TTTs. A 25-35kms one every 4-5 years, that's ok. But not every single bloody year in every single bloody GT. These days it seems GTs go hand in hand to the bloody toilet.

 

[Eshnar]

You calling David Millar new to cycling?

no, you did

 

[Lupetto]

Tuttosport published today, what they consider to be next year's Giro.

1 Herning-Herning (cronoprologo di km 8,7)
2 Herning-Herning (in linea, km 206)
3 Horsens-Horsens (km 190)

Riposo

4 Verona-Verona (cronosquadre)
5 Modena-Fano
6 Urbino-Porto Sant’ Elpidio
7 Recanati-Rocca di Cambio (or Campo Imperatore)
8 Sulmona-Lago Laceno
9 S.Giorgio del Sannio (or Ariano Irpino, or Grottaminarda)-Frosinone
10 Civitavecchia-Assisi
11 Perugia (or S.ta Maria degli Angeli)-Montecatini
12 Seravezza-Sestri Levante
13 Savona-Cherasco
14 Cervere-Cervinia
15 Busto Arsizio-Pian dei Resinelli

R

16 Limone del Garda-Falzes
17 Falzes-Cortina
18 San Vito Cadore-Vedelago
19 Treviso-Alpe di Pamepago
20 Caldes-Passo dello Stelvio
21 Milano-Milano crono individuale

http://www.tuttobiciweb.it/index.php?page=news&cod=43379&tp=n

 

[craig1985]

The odessy from Denmark to Italy aside, how to the transfers between each stage compare to previous years?

 

[airstream]

Are there only 4 MTF's, one of which is the 2nd Categogy Cervinia?

 

[gregrowlerson]

Are there only 4 MTF's, one of which is the 2nd Categogy Cervinia?

So what do you think are the MTF's? 14, 19, 20....

Any descent finishers after big climbs that you can see? 17?

 

[airstream]

So what do you think are the MTF's? 14, 19, 20....

Any descent finishers after big climbs that you can see? 17?

Im not strong at Italian geography and know only climbs that were used since 2003, but it seems like that. The stage through the Passo Giau is good but Zomegnan really accustomed us to mountain extravaganza. I expected more

 

[Descender]

Are there only 4 MTF's, one of which is the 2nd Categogy Cervinia?

What's the problem with that??

*breaths deeply*

 

[Descender]

Im not strong at Italian geography and know only climbs that were used since 2003, but it seems like that. The stage through the Passo Giau is good but Zomegnan really accustomed us to mountain extravaganza. I expected more

Wait I'm not sure I understand this... are you saying that if, say, stage 17 finished on top of Giau it would be a harder, better stage?

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

So what do you think are the MTF's? 14, 19, 20....

15 as well:

http://www.climbbybike.com/profile.asp?Climbprofile=Piani-dei-Resinelli&MountainID=3251

 

[Duartista]

15 as well:

http://www.climbbybike.com/profile.asp?Climbprofile=Piani-dei-Resinelli&MountainID=3251

Plus stage 7 if they go to Campo Imperatore, the only MTF of the GiroBio this year.

 

[airstream]

Wait I'm not sure I understand this... are you saying that if, say, stage 17 finished on top of Giau it would be a harder, better stage?

Sorry.

No, this one must be. Stages with a decent after a hard climb often give a lot of action. Im not satisfied with non Dolomites part of the Giro. The Cervinia looks like the Montevergine. It seems real mountains will start even later than in the TdF. Do you really like this route?